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  • creekrat77
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    #51
    Originally posted by Raggamuffin
    Because he was too dismissive of Floyd's chances while big on Pac's chances.
    Floyd's defensive strategy and conservative ring generalship is a lose lose situation with Duran, Leonard and Hearns. Benitez proved this, and he is quite a bit bigger then Floyd. Duran would seriously hurt his body. He'd be ripping power shots at his exposed left side all night.

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      #52
      Originally posted by creekrat77
      Floyd's defensive strategy and conservative ring generalship is a lose lose situation with Duran, Leonard and Hearns. Benitez proved this, and he is quite a bit bigger then Floyd. Duran would seriously hurt his body. He'd be ripping power shots at his exposed left side all night.
      Pacquiao's chin wouldn't hold up against Hearns or Duran. Pac wouldn't last 5 rounds with either guy.

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        #53
        Originally posted by therealpugilist
        imagine if Mayweather lost to someone like Dejesus or Kirkland Laing...mayweather was in his late 30s dominating world class opposition while Duran was losing to no names and never wases.

        If Duran was as dedicated and trained as hard as mayweather he would have been considered a greater fighter and beat some of those guys he lost to.

        Dont overrate Duran to crap on Mayweather...they both are top 20 all time greats
        ??? Duran is rated higher then Floyd overall. Leonard is a better welterweight and so is Hearns compared to Floyd. Floyd would never stand toe to toe with Barkley and Hagler. Not to mention considering he's a career lightweight, Floyd would have to be fighting at 168 against Ward or Calzaghe for it to be the same

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          #54
          Originally posted by creekrat77
          ??? Duran is rated higher then Floyd overall. Leonard is a better welterweight and so is Hearns compared to Floyd. Floyd would never stand toe to toe with Barkley and Hagler. Not to mention considering he's a career lightweight, Floyd would have to be fighting at 168 against Ward or Calzaghe for it to be the same
          they should be rated higher at welterweight....the man turned pro and fought most of his fights below 147

          So Mayweather being smart and not being dumb enough to slug bigger fighters makes him less of a fighter?

          Mayweather would have also not have been ****** enough to come in under prepared vs De Jesus...that's part of being a great fighter...preparation.


          Duran has that win over Leonard and after that the comp falls off mightily....every other great fighter he faced, he lost to...Bentiez, Hearns, Hagler.....even non greats in De Jesus....fringe contenders in Kirkland, Robbie sims and no names in his mid and late 30s

          Great fighter, who gets overrated because of nostalgia.

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            #55
            Originally posted by Eff Pandas
            Well yea. You got one of the most successful offensive guys in Manny & you got one of the most successful defensive guys in Floyd & high level defensive guys are much more rarer than high level offensive guys. You could say most boxers are more like Pac than Floyd & it'd be true although I don't know exactly to what point anyone should care about Spence being more Pac-like than Floyd-like any damn way.
            Spence is more like Pac and Foreman because he's a powerful power puncher in both hands. He throws at unorthodox angles maximizing his power when ever he has somebody hurt. He is a search and destroy fighter that uses a powerful offense to control the fight. Pac is definitely more of a in and out mover then Foreman and Spence but he, like Foreman, has great leg strength and throws arm punches at every angle imaginable.
            Floyd never had the power to be static in his offensive approach like these guys. It was of course a smart dynamic strategy of Floyd to flow like water and always stay moving but at the end of the day, he isn't someone who could ever steam roll an opponent

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              #56
              Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma
              Pacquiao is far more flexible, he moves his upper body. Spence is stiff
              Yea Pac is but you have to look at it through the confines of where Pac was in his earlier years. Pac fought like Spence when at bantamweight and even featherweight. He was a big guy for that weight and had the durability, like Spence, to nullify opponent's offense with hard nose power attacks

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                #57
                He reminds me more of Trinidad.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by MurkaMan
                  Dude stop lying Lol Spence is very easy to hit, and kind of sloppy! He needs to find more ways to avoid a punch opposed to just jumping out the way.

                  I get the idea that if he faced a person with a little more power, with some skills, he would get a handful.

                  He is overwhelming his opponents right now, and looking decent. But I felt that Bundu was causing him some problems and Im curious about him vs Thurman at this point!

                  I know what happened with Thurman vs Bundu, but if Thurman can avoid being smothered by Spences hands, and his power, it will be a long night.

                  Spence seems very very easy to outbox.

                  I also felt that he was punching himself out vs Algeri, but he finished Chris off, before he finished himself off.

                  He is getting away with being sloppy and making allot of mistakes, but he better tighten it up as he starts fighting tougher foes.

                  I even think Crawford would capitalize on all of that stuff and make Spence follow all day!
                  He's getting away with being "sloppy" because he can. He hasn't had any problem with an opponent being to powerful..yet. But my prediction is that no one at 147 can beat his offense with a defensive strategy. That goes for Bradley, Thurman and Garcia.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Raggamuffin
                    Pacquiao's chin wouldn't hold up against Hearns or Duran. Pac wouldn't last 5 rounds with either guy.
                    He has a great chin so I would disagree. I think Hearns would likely get him out of there however. Duran would be a toss up like I said. Pacquiao is a sneaky south paw and if you can't find a way to nullify his shots then your going to get taken apart. Look at Cotto for instance. Pacquiao had a very easy time landing shots because of how big a target he was. Duran and Pac are both warriors and if they both would have their hands full. Both guys would not let up

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by creekrat77
                      He has a great chin so I would disagree. I think Hearns would likely get him out of there however. Duran would be a toss up like I said. Pacquiao is a sneaky south paw and if you can't find a way to nullify his shots then your going to get taken apart. Look at Cotto for instance. Pacquiao had a very easy time landing shots because of how big a target he was. Duran and Pac are both warriors and if they both would have their hands full. Both guys would not let up
                      Duran would maul Pac and finish him brutally, and the Hearns fight wouldn't even be a contest.

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