Is Lennox Lewis the GOAT?

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  • Madison Boxing
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    #31
    his CV is very underrated, should be higher in ATG discussions

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    • Sun_Tzu
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      #32
      Originally posted by SemiGreat
      i agree. prime joe most likely would tear fury apart. the only hope fury would have vs a prime joe would be to jab and hold on for dear life (6'9'' 85'' 250 lbs to 6'2'' 75 '' 220 lbs. he could d**** himself over joe until the final bell ?) ruiz was kind of successful with this tactic. i gave fury no chance vs wlad and look what happened (although this want prime wlad).
      I kind of thought Fury would give Wlad problems because of his size and to be honest i thought he would beat him. I didnt however think Wlad would just look at him all night while Fury threw two punches a round. Joe Louis would have swoll Fury's head up from angles that fury had never seen before. He may not have knocked him out but he wouldnt have put up with Fury laying on him all night. You have to remember, Joe fought 15 rounds..Fury dont know nothin about that.

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      • boliodogs
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        #33
        He was a great heavyweight but I think he comes up short as the greatest of all time. He was knocked out by two pretty average heavyweights while he was in his prime. He did avenge both of those losses but that doesn't make those losses go away. Who says the goat must be a heavyweight? There have been lots of great boxers in boxing long history who fought in all the weight classes below heavyweight. Look at most lists of today's top 10 pound for pound boxers and you won't find any heavyweights.

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        • Sun_Tzu
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          #34
          Originally posted by boliodogs
          He was a great heavyweight but I think he comes up short as the greatest of all time. He was knocked out by two pretty average heavyweights while he was in his prime. He did avenge both of those losses but that doesn't make those losses go away. Who says the goat must be a heavyweight? There have been lots of great boxers in boxing long history who fought in all the weight classes below heavyweight. Look at most lists of today's top 10 pound for pound boxers and you won't find any heavyweights.
          I think TS meant among HWs, he still missed the mark.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Sun_Tzu
            I kind of thought Fury would give Wlad problems because of his size and to be honest i thought he would beat him. I didnt however think Wlad would just look at him all night while Fury threw two punches a round. Joe Louis would have swoll Fury's head up from angles that fury had never seen before. He may not have knocked him out but he wouldnt have put up with Fury laying on him all night. You have to remember, Joe fought 15 rounds..Fury dont know nothin about that.
            lets not forget furys soft middle.

            i gave fury less than 0.000 chance of beating wlad. i dont know wtf wlad was doing in training camp but that stunt he pulled was awful. he shouldnt have gotten paid for that crap.

            fury going 15....sheesh. the said part is, this is furys prime. upsets/flukes happen and theyre arent always pretty. hug/hold and go to the judges. fury could have done nothing else vs joe.

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              #36
              Originally posted by SemiGreat
              lets not forget furys soft middle.

              i gave fury less than 0.000 chance of beating wlad. i dont know wtf wlad was doing in training camp but that stunt he pulled was awful. he shouldnt have gotten paid for that crap.

              fury going 15....sheesh. the said part is, this is furys prime. upsets/flukes happen and theyre arent always pretty. hug/hold and go to the judges. fury could have done nothing else vs joe.
              There are atleast ten HWs from the 90s that would have destroyed Fury and Wlad easily. Vitali is a different story.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Sun_Tzu
                There are atleast ten HWs from the 90s that would have destroyed Fury and Wlad easily. Vitali is a different story.
                when wlad is on, hes not an easy fight. especially when he fights ''scared''. safety 1st guys tend to get 118-112 3x scores.

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                  #38
                  cmon u losers, stop trolling for the sake of argument and start discussing seriously

                  (awaits tards to troll harder now they know it may be getting to me)

                  at least some more smart people answer

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                    #39
                    There have been so many great heavyweights over the years it'd be impossible to single one out as being above and beyond the rest. But if someone were to devise a round robin tournament with, say, Lewis, Ali, Wlad, Tyson, Holmes, Foreman, Vitali, Evander and (for shits and giggles) Fury, I'd find myself putting money on Lewis more often than the other man.

                    Lewis wasn't perfect; no fighter is. He often had off nights where he'd look less than spectacular against an average foe. Occasionally they got to him. But when he was on form he was a hell of a fighter to beat: great boxer, huge power, tons of dog in him. He could switch it up if a particular gameplan wasn't working, and gut his way to a win, or fight off the backfoot to a decision. Not many of the top guys in history could do that, or do it with such power to back them up.

                    Ali and Holmes would probably be his trickiest opponents, and the ones I'd feel most uneasy betting against, but neither man was unbeatable and I feel Lennox would have the tools to do the job more times than not. Tyson would be his most dangerous foe. Prime Tyson, with his speed, herky jerky movement, unpredictability and ridiculous power could well do the job on Lennox if he can't find a way to control him in the early going. Down the stretch I favour the bigger man of course, but that would be a hair raising fight.

                    Vitali was already beaten by Lewis, and I didn't see anything in that performance or subsequent ones that would lead me to think the result would be any different at another time. Wlad I used to give a good chance to unseat Lennox, but the Fury fight showed that he really cannot fight in any other way, and that one-dimensionality would get him crushed.

                    Foreman I suspect caves under the pressure of a bigger, just-as-hard-a-punching man who isn't afraid to bully him and can beat him to the punch. Evander could do alright. He performed pretty well in both their contests, though Lennox was mostly in control the whole time. The fierier, more piss-n-vinegar version that fought Bowe could have had some success, though I have the su****ion a tuned on Lennox would always have his number.

                    Fury gets splattered.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Sun_Tzu
                      There are atleast ten HWs from the 90s that would have destroyed Fury and Wlad easily. Vitali is a different story.
                      Which heavyweights, out of interest? I can name a couple, but I have a hard time coming up with ten. Lennox and Bowe, I presume, Evander, Tyson... Holmes?

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