Where would Joe Frazier rank post 80's /Modern times

[KeyboardWarrior]

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[Fury4daWIN]

Frazier would simply not be a heavyweight nowadays and maybe not even a cruiserweight/

He could obviously compete at cruiserweight if he wanted. His fighting shape was at 205 throughout most of his career, and it wouldn't have taken a huge effort to boil off those five pounds to compete against men more his own size. Not sure if he would though. Frazier loved nothing more than a challenge.

[Adonis Creed]

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Maybe Holyfield,the perfect counter puncher who ate shots from foreman and Tyson...MAYBE beats slower weaker frazier? o.k......this is a comment that belongs in the history section,unless you can give me an accurate break down other than Frazier was an all time great.....which isn't a skill...then....w:

You really think he's slower and weaker lol? To Ali and Foreman yes, to these guys today not by a long shot. Holyfield wasn't a huge guy or a huge puncher and matches up pretty well for Frazier. Considering what he did to someone like Ali I don't see Evander beating him.

Size always matters at heavyweight, and Frazier at 205 would barely even make it in today's division. That's not to say he wouldn't have had any success, but there comes a point where all the ATGness simply can't cut it against a skilled giant who knows how to use his height and superior size to nullify the smaller man's arsenal.

What about a small guy who's great at getting on the inside and making his fight, who is even better and more skilled. They could cause problems but Frazier was skilled and tenacious enough to overcome them. He could add weight if he wanted to and I'm sure he could pull it off.

[daggum]

frazier would be a welterweigth in todays era so the questino you shold be asking would be would floyd duck him?

[285Kid]

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[Willy Wanker]

frazier would be a welterweigth in todays era so the questino you shold be asking would be would floyd duck him?

[JTfloyd]

Lol Joe Fraizer is much better than any heavyweight recently including both Klitschkos. Size wouldn't matter since he won't have a hard time getting inside on those guys anyway.

The only ones who could beat him would be Holmes, prime Tyson, Bowe, Lewis, and maybe Holyfield off the top of my head.

Any HW right now gets kod easy.

Stop talking nonsense. There's no way a 5'11" heavyweight with great head movement, an awkward perpetual motion-type style, who could cut off the ring, use a debilitating body attack, and possessed one of the greatest left hooks in boxing history could ever compete against men that are simply bigger than him.

[juggernaut666]

Nothing to do with the post but I sent green K for the profile pic......maybe i'll do a special fantasy match up with the greatest sports figure in history...lol

[juggernaut666]

You really think he's slower and weaker lol? To Ali and Foreman yes, to these guys today not by a long shot. Holyfield wasn't a huge guy or a huge puncher and matches up pretty well for Frazier. Considering what he did to someone like Ali I don't see Evander beating him.





What about a small guy who's great at getting on the inside and making his fight, who is even better and more skilled. They could cause problems but Frazier was skilled and tenacious enough to overcome them. He could add weight if he wanted to and I'm sure he could pull it off.

the problem is Frazier isn't more skilled ,he was a tough durable guy who liked to grind you out and had a good left hook it was good b/c he had to wind it up sand constantly land it to actually start talking effect,Frazier was a limited one handed /good body puncher fighter but he would be walking into buildings who will hit him hard today.......sorry but doing that today unless you have one blunt force power isn't going o work. He COULD add weight...and then what? Become slower? Did you see him at 215/224 pounds? He wasn't athletic at all to be honest,he was just tough and tough only goes so far,he was floored multiple times by far less punchers,and in the end a puncher is Fraziers krypotinite not boxers,as Ali showed.

As a reminder overweight Buster Mathis was also winning before he went past around he was never at he was 6'4 and about 240 pound of not quality weight...an in shape hard hitting super heavy weight will almost always beat him.

[Fury4daWIN]

What about a small guy who's great at getting on the inside and making his fight, who is even better and more skilled. They could cause problems but Frazier was skilled and tenacious enough to overcome them. He could add weight if he wanted to and I'm sure he could pull it off.

Whenever you add substantial weight to a fighter they can no longer be considered the same fighter. Adamek was fleet of foot and had great power at Cruiser but was slow and feather fisted at Heavy. Toney became a resilient blob. Mormeck was a bum. You can't just assume that Frazier could add ten or fifteen pounds of muscle (or fat) and still be the same fighter he was. He might be better. He might be worse. It's impossible to say.

What about a small guy who's great at getting on the inside and making his fight, who is even better and more skilled. They could cause problems but Frazier was skilled and tenacious enough to overcome them. He could add weight if he wanted to and I'm sure he could pull it off.

Frazier's inside fighting would be a handful if he was in with a ref that would allow him to work. Nowadays too many refs break the action up on the inside or allow the taller, heavier fighter to clinch and smother the shorter fighter's work. Just look at any Klitschko fight, or many of Pulev's or Fury's fights. I just see Frazier having to substantially alter his fighting style and physique to be able to compete with today's giants, and who da fuq knows how effective he'll be then?