Floyd's come back was #2 p4p Marquez.... Pac's return... Vargas...

[Lester Tutor]

oh look, yet another "the black fighter is superior to the asian/white/hispanic fighter" thread.

what a surprise

you have social problems mate. you should wander around supermarkets or malls, assuming your city or town provides them. how in the fck did you bring up race is beyond that of an NSB troll....

[ADP02]

Reloaded took a step back and looked at the sht in this forum , its a childrens forum I dont feel like posting much anymore because the knowledge in here is virtually non existent , its the same ol ferris wheel with you and a handful like you , like a broken record repeating the same BS no matter how many times you are told or proven wrong , just deny it and keep on rolling is all you do . Hate is such a blinding negative emotion and you are full of it and only see what you want to see and reject what you dont want to see .
I will give you this , you are far worse at concocting a BS argument than any women I have ever met in my life and women are world champions at it .

Manny , Juan and Floyd are all within 2-4 pounds apart real weight and have been their entire careers , bulked up or leaned down their real weight is very close and their fight night weights have always run with the same 2-4 pounds variance , spin it anyway you want but thats what is real , we are talking elite ATG 130 fighters , all in the same era that fought through the weight classes all the way up to 154 , none of these guys are big they are all little men and they are all in the same weigh class , all can move around and compete across 3 divisions by just altering the drying out process , instead of coming into a fight aiming to be as big as you can be light , these guys showed how its better to be at your natural fighting weight without starving to make super low weights , you will see guys jumping weight divisions more and more , all they are really doing is not drying out and being able to train at a heavier weight , it produces a better fighter and science can prove it , but we dont need science we only need the resumes of May JMM and Pac and cross reference the fight night weights .

The bottom line with all this dribble you spin in here to hate on Mayweather is because you are so butt hurt that Floyd beat Manny , so much so that you have got to make him as big physically as you can make him , and then make the others as small as you can make them , it softens the blow to your childish mindset like a security blanket , its quite comical to see how you think .

You need a good long look in the mirror and thats the truth .

Lame!

All that and not once did you mention CWs. I guess you exempt Floyd when he is in a fight with a CW. Nice to know.

No its not the same, just because Marquez rehydrates back up to 140s.
1) Marquez was used to fighting 126-130 fighters and then had just dipped his feet at 135.
Since 2004, Floyd had already fought at 140, 147 and 154 fighters who are much bigger than who Marquez fought. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

2) Read point 1 and 3 plus this: You think that a fighter who rehydrates to 140s(check Diaz fight below) = a fighter who comes in at 146 at the weigh in?

3) AGAIN, No they were not the same. Marquez was below the 144 limit by 2lbs while Floyd couldn't even make the 144 limit and came in at a comfortable 146. So to say, Marquez can easily go down to 135 and I'm quite sure even 130 since that is where he was fighting the year before BUT Floyd couldn't even drop down to 144.



4) Weigh-in
Marquez: 134
Diaz: 134


Unofficial fight night weight
Marquez: 140
Diaz: 139

[Lester Tutor]

Lame!

All that and not once did you mention CWs. I guess you exempt Floyd when he is in a fight with a CW. Nice to know.

No its not the same, just because Marquez rehydrates back up to 140s.
1) Marquez was used to fighting 126-130 fighters and then had just dipped his feet at 135.
Since 2004, Floyd had already fought at 140, 147 and 154 fighters who are much bigger than who Marquez fought. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

2) Read point 1 and 3 plus this: You think that a fighter who rehydrates to 140s(check Diaz fight below) = a fighter who comes in at 146 at the weigh in?

3) AGAIN, No they were not the same. Marquez was below the 144 limit by 2lbs while Floyd couldn't even make the 144 limit and came in at a comfortable 146. So to say, Marquez can easily go down to 135 and I'm quite sure even 130 since that is where he was fighting the year before BUT Floyd couldn't even drop down to 144.



4) Weigh-in
Marquez: 140
Diaz: 139


Unofficial fight night weight
Marquez: 140
Diaz: 139

IV - 147 Sanctioned, max limit: Manny Pacquiao 147 lbs lost to Juan Manuel Marquez 143 lbs by KO at 2:59 in round 6 of 12

III - 147 Sanctioned, 144 catch: Manny Pacquiao 143 lbs beat Juan Manuel Marquez 142 lbs by MD in round 12 of 12

II - 130 Sanctioned, Manny Pacquiao 129 lbs beat Juan Manuel Marquez 130 lbs by SD in round 12 of 12

I - 126 Sanctioned, Manny Pacquiao 125 lbs drew with Juan Manuel Marquez 125 lbs by SD in round 12 of 12

154 Sanctioned: Floyd Mayweather Jr 150 lbs beat Oscar De La Hoya 154 lbs by SD in round 12 of 12

Pacquiao's handicap of gifts winning titles is all cheap shots by Arum. Cotto was already 7 bouts deep at 147 when he met Pac. But a catch? Why did Pac stop at "Super Welterweight" and not do Middleweight at 155? Or 161 for Super Middlweight? funny innit?

Who did Pac beat at 147 to demand a-side 147 catch demands before Cotto?

[madsweeney]

Look at all those *****s lol threads like this are way. PACs return!? From what exactly? He just fought in April against Bradley. Acting like he was gone somewhere.

And LOL @ duck Juan Diaz. As if anyone ever ducked Juan Diaz. Those kinds of fighters were Pacquiao's bread and better. Of all the things you could legitimately bash Pac for Juan Diaz certainly isn't one of them.

Love the Floyd fanatics though, still bashing Pacquiao's after Floyd BEAT Pac and both their careers are over or just about to be over. Move on. Plus, what's the point of bashing Pac even more, isn't he like Floyd's biggest win? smh

I love that ****, Floyd's biggest win is over a supposedly clean juicer that cherry picked his entire carreer. Wow, not really a high bar they set for their guy. They don't understand that to diminish Pac, is to diminish Floyd's win over him.

[Lester Tutor]

The status quo from of all boxing culture was "We Need Floyd vs Pac..." which all relates to p4p rankings throughout the years, and Floyd even years before said, "when I whoop that midget's ass...ya'll still be talking the same sht." Floyd could care less, and Pac was never at Floyd's level to begin with. Compare pure boxing technique from their starting pro careers, one is sloppier than the other. I mean clearly KOs to the canvas should be enough to convince.... but whatever.

As Victor Conte said about Pac, "...again this is just my opinion (who's an HBO fanboy..lol...but) I have no doubt in mind that he's been doing stuff IN THE PHILLIPINES..."

He says PHILIPPINES because Conte could be sued by Arum...insinuating previous career moves... that head noggen doe

[ADP02]

IV - 147 Sanctioned, max limit: Manny Pacquiao 147 lbs lost to Juan Manuel Marquez 143 lbs by KO at 2:59 in round 6 of 12

III - 147 Sanctioned, 144 catch: Manny Pacquiao 143 lbs beat Juan Manuel Marquez 142 lbs by MD in round 12 of 12

II - 130 Sanctioned, Manny Pacquiao 129 lbs beat Juan Manuel Marquez 130 lbs by SD in round 12 of 12

I - 126 Sanctioned, Manny Pacquiao 125 lbs drew with Juan Manuel Marquez 125 lbs by SD in round 12 of 12

154 Sanctioned: Floyd Mayweather Jr 150 lbs beat Oscar De La Hoya 154 lbs by SD in round 12 of 12

Pacquiao's handicap of gifts winning titles is all cheap shots by Arum. Cotto was already 7 bouts deep at 147 when he met Pac. But a catch? Why did Pac stop at "Super Welterweight" and not do Middleweight at 155? Or 161 for Super Middlweight? funny innit?

Who did Pac beat at 147 to demand a-side 147 catch demands before Cotto?

So your response to Floyd fighting a Marquez that never fought at 140, 147, 154 is Manny.


By the time Marquez fought Manny the 4th time, he had a chance to get his body acclimated to that division and had hired Memo Heredia to make sure he put on the muscles, one way or another (PEDs)


BTW
Cotto said in an interview that the CW was not an issue because:
- Came in easily at 146 in his previous fight
- that 145 is the weight that Cotto was pushing for anyways!!!


and what do you think about Floyd dehydrating/draining Canelo to 152?




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[Lester Tutor]

So your response to Floyd fighting a Marquez that never fought at 140, 147, 154 is Manny.


By the time Marquez fought Manny the 4th time, he had a chance to get his body acclimated to that division and had hired Memo Heredia to make sure he put on the muscles, one way or another (PEDs)


BTW
Cotto said in an interview that the CW was not an issue because:
- Came in easily at 146 in his previous fight
- that 145 is the weight that Cotto was pushing for anyways!!!


and what do you think about Floyd dehydrating/draining Canelo to 152?




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lol. Yeah "cotto said it was not issue" to sell a fight right? Just like Oscar said draining to 145 wasn't an issue! Right, Cotto fighting at 147 already 7 bouts deep, but for Pacquiao he "was pushing for 145." lol

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[Lester Tutor]

and what do you think about Floyd dehydrating/draining Canelo to 152?
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Floyd already parked the car at 154, earning a side against Oscar...

who did Pac beat to demand at gifted catch divisions?

Pac is a fraud dude. I know, 10 years down the drain can have mental affects. You should be mad at Arum, not Floyd. Arum messed with your head.

[Larry the boss]

Both started at 130 and have been within 2-4 pounds from 130 to 147 , Floyd weighed in at 146 and JMM 142 , theres that 2-4 pound difference again fancy that , and thats not 2 weight classes its not even one , best you understand fight night weight and that 130 pound fighters fight at near WW on fight night.

You know nothing about real weight , you guys talk the talk but are really just casual fans that live in the world of hype , its frustrating the sht in here at times .

Jmm did not start his career at 130 man

[Larry the boss]

No need to slam Manny man, he is an ATG and a 1st ballot hall of famer..let him live