Is Carl Frampton in your top ten P4P?

[Mexican_Puppet]

Ward and Loma don't deserve to be on that list and Crawford can't be higher than Bradley who has spent almost a decade beating world level operators.

The rest of the list is pretty good although I'd probably change the order and most definitely have Wlad and Fury on there, how they're not is beyond me.

Why not? Ward is active and defeated a tough guy that have cuban school and he has a great resume. Of course he deserve that place in the list.

Loma defeated Gary Russell Jr, a real featherweight(not like Santa Cruz), and Gary is better than Leo in 126 pounds. He is champion in 2 divisions and he only lost in a veeeery competitive fight vs Salido, and Salido was almost out of life.

[HeroBando]

Nope, more weight = less speed, and Floyd needs speed.

The weight it's advantage when you are a fighter like Salido, Chavez Jr, Maidana, Lucas, Gonzalez.

If Floyd was 15lbs heavier than Canelo, he'd destroy his worse than Corralles. But since you think size is a disadvantage, let me know when Canelo gets in the ring with Ward, he should be able to outclass him.

Hey why do they call it "size advantage"?

[Dodger07]

Ward and Loma don't deserve to be on that list and Crawford can't be higher than Bradley who has spent almost a decade beating world level operators.

The rest of the list is pretty good although I'd probably change the order and most definitely have Wlad and Fury on there, how they're not is beyond me.

i cant say that i disagree with your reasoning about excluding ward and loma.

i know that its all about "what have you done for me lately", and ward hasnt done anything recent. but he has proven that he can dominate world class fighters, and i believe that he has the skills to continue to do so. but the kovalev fight will prove whether thats true or not.

Lomachenko has a very short resume, not the best in the world. but he clearly beat gary russell, who i would favor over any other featherweight in the world right now. and he ko'd rocky martinez, who is pretty aveerage but was a champion at a higher weight class. he had alot going against him in the salido loss (siri missing weight, the ref allowing countless lowblows) and i would favor loma in a rematch.

bradley and klitchko probably have the best resumes in the world right now outside of may and pac, but both are coming off losses and seem to be on a steady decline. no shame in losing to pac but the fact that crawford is a rising unified and lineal champ in 2 divisions is enough for me to have him ahead of bradley. i would also slightly favor crawford h2h as well. wanted to have fury on the list, have i have him just outside until he fights another top ten heavyweight. but wouldnt have a problem with others having him on their list

[Mexican_Puppet]

If Floyd was 15lbs heavier than Canelo, he'd destroy his worse than Corralles. But since you think size is a disadvantage, let me know when Canelo gets in the ring with Ward, he should be able to outclass him.

Hey why do they call it "size advantage"?

God! Floyd with 15 more pounds would be super slow, boxers like Floyd and Rigo prefer the speed and be less heavies than their rivals.

Your comparation it's ridiculous and exagerated, but yes, Canelo could outclass some guy like Abraham .

The physical qualities(or advantages) in this sport are more than just the weight, son.

[soul_survivor]

Why not? Ward is active and defeated a tough guy that have cuban school and he has a great resume. Of course he deserve that place in the list.

Loma defeated Gary Russell Jr, a real featherweight(not like Santa Cruz), and Gary is better than Leo in 126 pounds. He is champion in 2 divisions and he only lost in a veeeery competitive fight vs Salido, and Salido was almost out of life.

Yes. beating a prospect and a fringe contender gives you p4p status, sorry, I am definitely wrong.

[Mexican_Puppet]

Yes. beating a prospect and a fringe contender gives you p4p status, sorry, I am definitely wrong.

Ward now is active, and his resume too. He is better boxer than the 95% of all the boxers of the world.

[soul_survivor]

i cant say that i disagree with your reasoning about excluding ward and loma.

i know that its all about "what have you done for me lately", and ward hasnt done anything recent. but he has proven that he can dominate world class fighters, and i believe that he has the skills to continue to do so. but the kovalev fight will prove whether thats true or not.

Lomachenko has a very short resume, not the best in the world. but he clearly beat gary russell, who i would favor over any other featherweight in the world right now. and he ko'd rocky martinez, who is pretty aveerage but was a champion at a higher weight class. he had alot going against him in the salido loss (siri missing weight, the ref allowing countless lowblows) and i would favor loma in a rematch.

bradley and klitchko probably have the best resumes in the world right now outside of may and pac, but both are coming off losses and seem to be on a steady decline. no shame in losing to pac but the fact that crawford is a rising unified and lineal champ in 2 divisions is enough for me to have him ahead of bradley. i would also slightly favor crawford h2h as well. wanted to have fury on the list, have i have him just outside until he fights another top ten heavyweight. but wouldnt have a problem with others having him on their list

Russel is an entirely unproven fighter, we can't be rating guys based on what we think they can do.

In terms of Ward, if he beats Kov and I think he can, ****, he goes back in the p4p top 10, no problem.

Wlad has one loss in a decade or so and that too against one of the largest men to ever lace on a pair of gloves, who he will be rematching. Still deserves his p4p place, over both Loma and Ward, as does Fury.

With the reasoning you've given, I don't mind Crawford being above Bradley, although that's not what I'd do. Frampton being on the list is a solid pick too.

[soul_survivor]

Ward now is active, and his resume too. He is better boxer than the 95% of all the boxers of the world.

Active against who? He beat Paul Smith who is a middleweight journeyman...at light heavyweight, what is that worth?

he then beat a fringe contender and now is fighting another journeymen. He hasn't looked special in any of those encounters either.

No, you can't be labeling him p4p till he beats KOv. This isn't 2012.

[Mexican_Puppet]

Active against who? He beat Paul Smith who is a middleweight journeyman...at light heavyweight, what is that worth?

he then beat a fringe contender and now is fighting another journeymen. He hasn't looked special in any of those encounters either.

No, you can't be labeling him p4p till he beats KOv. This isn't 2012.

Vs a top contender, and I stopped reading in this part: "He hasn't looked special in any of those encounters either". The performance vs Barrera it was great.

[Mexican_Puppet]

Russel is an entirely unproven fighter, we can't be rating guys based on what we think they can do.

In terms of Ward, if he beats Kov and I think he can, ****, he goes back in the p4p top 10, no problem.

Wlad has one loss in a decade or so and that too against one of the largest men to ever lace on a pair of gloves, who he will be rematching. Still deserves his p4p place, over both Loma and Ward, as does Fury.

With the reasoning you've given, I don't mind Crawford being above Bradley, although that's not what I'd do. Frampton being on the list is a solid pick too.

GOD!

He crushed Abner Mares daddy.

Jhonny Gonzalez in that moment > any victory of Leo Santa Cruz and Frampton.