Is Carl Frampton in your top ten P4P?

[Mexican_Puppet]

And Santa Cruz cherry lemonade has the worst resume for a 3 division titlist in the history of boxing

He fought a construction worker that sold insurance

Yep, Leo only have 2 good rivals: Abner Mares and Frampton, and Abner is not the same in 126 pounds, the Gonzalez lost took a lot from him.

Both fighters: Leo and Frampton, are not elite fighters. They are good champions but nothing special.

[HeroBando]

God, Rigo in amateur fought in 115-118 pounds! He started in pro at the 29, 30 years old, and Rigo in the fight night is in 128, 129, or less.


Santa Cruz has height and reach, but he is not a big man, open your eyes, idiot.

Alexis Arguello was like 5'10 and he was 126 pounds, Hearns was 6'10 in welterweight.

The weight is the most important, and Carl was the heavier guy, for 3 o 4 pounds. It's a little but that's the true.

Canelo won that fight vs Cotto not using his weight, he outboxed Cotto:



You explain me, how the hell Canelo used his weight in that fight? It's worst, with more weight you will be slower, Canelo make a better fight vs Cotto than Frampton vs Santa Cruz.

I'm just trying to explain, Santa Cruz winning his first belt 4lbs below Frampton doesn't mean he's now smaller. Tons of counterexamples. T

Are you serious? Cotto lunged all night, he could barely get leverage on his punches, and wouldn't stay in range of the longer, much heavier guy. Even when he got through with something, the much bigger Canelo shrugged it off. It's much easier countering when you got no fear of the incoming.

[Mexican_Puppet]

I'm just trying to explain, Santa Cruz winning his first belt 4lbs below Frampton doesn't mean he's now smaller. Tons of counterexamples.

Nope, this said that Santa Cruz is lighter in weight. And your examples were all pathetics. Talking about Jr when he started at 17 years old or Rigondeaux when he started at 29 or 30 years old and he fought in amateur in 115-118 pounds like Donaire in pro.

Are you serious? Cotto lunged all night, he could barely get leverage on his punches, and wouldn't stay in range of the longer, much heavier guy. Even when he got through with something, the much bigger Canelo shrugged it off. It's much easier countering when you got no fear of the incoming.

Are you serious? Cotto was outboxed by Canelo(look the face of Canelo at the end of the fight, he was super clean), he missed many punches(500), and his body work was too bad, his punches were blocked or not effectives at all.

My point is simple, Canelo won using his boxing, not for his ****in weight.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Ward
Kovolev
Rigo
Roman
Ggg
Manny
Crawford
Canelo
Frampton
Lomachenko
Bradley

[Sadiqkingofko]

1. A. Ward 29-0(15) (175)
2. S. Kovalev 30-0-1(26) (175) WBA (Super), WBO, IBF
3. M. Pacquaio 58-6-2(38) (147)
4. G. Rigondeaux 17-0(11) (122) WBA (Super), Lineal
5. R. Gonzalez 45-0(38) (112) WBC, Ring, Lineal
6. T. Fury 25-0(18) (201+) WBA (Super), WBO, IBO, Ring, Lineal
7. T. Crawford 29-0(20) (140) WBC, WBO, Ring, Lineal
8. C. Alvarez 47-1-1(33) (154)
9. W. Klitschko 64-4(53) (201+)
10. C. Frampton 23-0(14) (126) WBA (Super)
11. G. Golovkin 35-0(32) (160) WBC, WBA (Super), IBF, IBO
12. A. Stevenson 28-1(23) (175) WBC, Ring, Lineal
13. T. Bradley 33-2-1(13) (147)
14. D. Garcia 32-0(18) (147) WBC
15. E. Lara 23-2-2(13) (154) WBA (Super)

[EMACULATE]

I think he should be about #9 or #10.

What do you think?

Frampton is a ****ing duck. He want fight rigo do how can he be in the top ten. Frampton,Roman Gonzales, Quigg, mares, Russell Jr, Selby all are ducks because they want fight rigo and don't give me there's no money in the fight. Frampton so popularity alone would sell out Wimbley.

[g27region]

1. Andre Ward
2. Roman Chocolatito
3. Sergey Kovalev
4. Terence Crawford
5. Vasyl Lomachenko
6. Guillermo Rigondeaux
7. Gennady "The Bum Killer" Golovkin
8. Adonis Stevenson
9. Mikey Garcia
10. Carl Frampton
11. Canelo Alvarez
12. Tyson Fury
13. Juan Francisco Estrada
14. Keith Thurman
15. Timothy Bradley

[TheCell8]

He is. There's only one jackal in my top 10 P4P.

[HeroBando]

Nope, this said that Santa Cruz is lighter in weight. And your examples were all pathetics. Talking about Jr when he started at 17 years old or Rigondeaux when he started at 29 or 30 years old and he fought in amateur in 115-118 pounds like Donaire in pro.





Are you serious? Cotto was outboxed by Canelo(look the face of Canelo at the end of the fight, he was super clean), he missed many punches(500), and his body work was too bad, his punches were blocked or not effectives at all.

My point is simple, Canelo won using his boxing, not for his ****in weight.

It's the same deal, both Donaire and Cruz were giant at 112 and 118, main difference is that Donaire actually stayed there and dominated, and Cruz won a vacant belt and moved up quick having outgrown the division

But that's a dumb point cause it's easier to box someone who can barely reach or hurt you, with your big size advantage. Come back when Canelo beats someone of Cottos caliber, or anyone at all, while conceding that much weight.

[The Hammer]

Frampton is a ****ing duck. He want fight rigo do how can he be in the top ten. Frampton,Roman Gonzales, Quigg, mares, Russell Jr, Selby all are ducks because they want fight rigo and don't give me there's no money in the fight. Frampton so popularity alone would sell out Wimbley.

Rigo is unpopular and not a draw, so the fight wouldn't make much money.

Selby would be a good choice as an opponent for Frampton.