Comments Thread For: Canelo Smiles: I Ran From Golovkin? He's Fought NOBODY!

[Tozo]

Tozo

Canyelo ran from GGG and always has,but now if they ever fight GGG is going to play with him for the first 2 rounds and the he is going to give him the beatig he deserves before KOing him at the end of the third.

[HeroBando]

Lol, so 125k is good to you then? Well good for you to be optimistic!! Enjoy your boyfriend fighting a WW lol.

Like I said, there there's barely anyone that can do that in the States nowadays. That'll cover a 2m purse which is a 100x improvement over what he was making before k2. Of course he'll make much more than that next, and really boost his global stardom big time. Hope you enjoyed the lesson, don't let me catch you posting such idiocy again

[HeroBando]

That's fine, however if that's the case, why isn't GayLoveKin fighting him at whatever weight he can? That doesn't make sense. Because, GayLoveKins people think he's a bigger star than he actually is.

Because Canelo won't fight him at any weight, dummy. If he had any intention of fighting him at all, hed have offered a Cw before forfeiting the belt and becoming boxings laughing stock.

[ИATAS]

You make some great points. The judge's scorecards in all his fights have been ridiculous.

That doesn't take away him fighting Trout, when Trout was believed to be the top jmw but wasn't a big payday at all. It doesn't take away him facing Lara, when Lara was perhaps the toughest potential foe and the one that brought the least amount of fans and dollars. Canelo did fight Trout and Lara. Canelo fought Lara one pound heavier than Lara's normal weight of 154. G won't even fight Lara at 160. The smaller guys, who weren't even elite in their lower divisions Canelo fought up until Floyd is well known and quite pitiful. Yes, he did have the open scoring vs. Trout (WTF!?!) and the one pound advantage vs. Lara. But he also fought the biggest $$$ fight (against Floyd) at a cw. G doesn't have the history of repeatedly fighting smaller foes as bad as Canelo, but gotta give credit for him taking the Trout and Lara fights AND for MAKING a fight with Floyd possible. He coulda said 154 or no fight like G is telling Canelo 160 or nothing. Canelo is the biggest draw in boxing. To fight the biggest draw you need to make some concessions. Floyd coulda told Oscar 147 or no fight. But then he never would have made half a billion dollars in the next seven years. Canelo coulda been like G and said it doesn't matter that all I've faced are tomato cans, fight me anyway like G is doing to him. But no, he fought Trout and earned that fight. So yes Canelo always needs advantages, but at least he occasionally fights the best. G doesn't even do that.

Except Canelo never offered a fight to Golovkin at any weight. He simply dropped the belt AFTER he agreed to fight him after his extension he requested. He didn't even attempt to negotiate a catch-weight. And if you don't think Golovkin would have agreed to 158 pounds or something along those lines your crazy. Let us also not forget Canelo's exact words after beating Khan - "I will fight Golovkin [next], weight is not an issue. I'll fight him at 160". That's from Canelo's own mouth, but whatever, turns out it didn't matter since he dropped the title rather than fight his mandatory in a massive fight.

Again , my point of my post is about the advantages and privileges Canelo has, not just his demands but the favoritism he gets for being a popular red haired Mexican. Canelo brought this on himself from his hypocritical comments.

Canelo can fight anyone he wants. Golovkin doesn't have that luxury. And even you criticize Golovkin in your post, saying at least Canelo occasionally fights good opponents while Golovkin doesn't, which only proves my point. Why do you think that is? You're not trying to imply that Golovkin refuses to fight good opponentz because You know as well as I that Golovkin has tried to fight the likes of Canelo, Cotto, Eubank, Sergio Martinez, Saunders , Jacobs, Quillin, Froch, Pirog, Chavez and others. Canelo doesn't have these problems, Canelo isn't turned down by anyone. He literally can fight anyone he wants. Do you see the difference? He's a very privileged fighter. Golovkin, a guy from Kazakhstan who spent years in Germany working himself up the ladder, chasing Sturm for a title fight as his mandatory for over two years, and hardly known to anyone, has struggled big time just to get the likes of Lemeuix, Geale, Macklin, Murray in the ring. He couldn't even get Billy ****ing Saunders or Eubank. Do you think Canelo would be reject by Saunders or Eubank or Jacobs? Of course not, they'll jump all over it because it's a good payday with a real opportunity to win. Against Golovkin, they don't have the confidence. They require like $4-$5 million (aka pricing themselves out) because they know it's likely an ass beating.

My other issue is I never shat on Canelos resume. That wasn't my point. Of course he has a pretty good resume, anyone with his star power would and should have a resume full of "names". He deserves credits for fighting the top guys in his division, this is boxing that's the entire point is to fight top guys in your division. My point however with Trout was how hilarious it was that the WBC suddenly made this fight of all fights an open scoring event, which never happens in the US, ever. The other point was about the judging , along with Lara, Cotto and Mayweather, which you agreed with - Canelo always gets the benefit of the doubt with the judges. Surely that can't just because of his red hair but whatever.

At the end of the day, Canelo gets to pick and choose who and when he fights. Golovkin has to get rejected by 4-5 guys before settling for an opponent. Doesn't even matter of he's mandatory (we've now seen at least four guys Golovkin was mandatory duck the hell out of sight (Sturm, Canelo, Geale, N'dam).

[Shadoww702]

Take your ADD meds you fu cking spaz

I scored the Lara fight narrowly for Canelo, way to miss the point of the post entirely. Reading comprehension, you have none.

How many WBC title fights in the US have there been that were open scoring? Answer that question and come back.

How was Matthew Hatton fighting for a vacant title at 154 when he never fought there before?

Seriously acting like the WBC doesn't play favorites and you call me a casual Follow the sport man and get some reading comprehension skills.

I scored the Lara fight narrowly for Canelo, way to miss the point of the post entirely. Reading comprehension, you have none.

1. My bad. And ANYONE who scored it more than 116-113 either way should have some explaining to do about filling their card out the night before. I had it 115-114. What funny is if Lara stayed and boxed more he EASILY would of won that fight (But he could of got hurt as well). Most likely odds he would of won.

How many WBC title fights in the US have there been that were open scoring? Answer that question and come back.

2. Not many but there have been some. AND I heard some AWESOME fights came out of it. Think about it. If a Championship fight goes to the 12 round with both fighters tied up??? There is a LOT of pros for it. But if one is way up and the other fighter just gives up like Trout did it SUKS! I can't imagine Pac knowing he's losing badly NOT go ALL-IN. Same goes for 99% of the other fighters. Heck! Picture GGG vs. Ward and GGG knows he needs a KO by round 10. You think he's just going to sit back??? F'k NO!!!!

How was Matthew Hatton fighting for a vacant title at 154 when he never fought there before?

3. I don't know??? IT's NOT like ANYONE really even KNEW Canelo back then. WBC like ALL the other ones does some WHACK stuff! Don't act like it's JUST the WBC. FREAKING the IBF STRIPPED Tyson Fury for re-matching Klitz. And NOT fighting their BUM Glazkov...

Guess what happened to him??? And the guy who won that CRA P PY title?? Lost it in 2 rounds...

[THC]

Because Canelo won't fight him at any weight, dummy. If he had any intention of fighting him at all, hed have offered a Cw before forfeiting the belt and becoming boxings laughing stock.

I'm still waiting for any proof of that CW offer AFTER he dropped the belt. Canelo's spin is that vacating the title would relieve him of the pressure set by the WBC deadline as well as provide better leverage in negotiations.

Without that proof, Canelo is the leading candidate of boxing's biggest Canard of the 21st century.

[ИATAS]

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How many WBC title fights in the US have there been that were open scoring? Answer that question and come back.

2. Not many but there have been some. AND I heard some AWESOME fights came out of it. Think about it. If a Championship fight goes to the 12 round with both fighters tied up??? There is a LOT of pros for it. But if one is way up and the other fighter just gives up like Trout did it SUKS! I can't imagine Pac knowing he's losing badly NOT go ALL-IN. Same goes for 99% of the other fighters. Heck! Picture GGG vs. Ward and GGG knows he needs a KO by round 10. You think he's just going to sit back??? F'k NO!!!!

How many open scoring title fights have you seen in the US? I'll answer it for you - one. Canelo vs Trout.

You heard wrong about open scoring. it's absolutely horrible. Proof - O'Neil Bell vs Jean Marc Mormeck II. first fight was fight of the year, a classic, absolute war. Second fight in France had open scoring. First four rounds was a ****er, it was just like the first fight, a war. Super close, it was anyones guess who was winning at that point but then they read the cards - the hometown judges had Mormeck winning every round. Completely killed the action from that point on. Mormeck knowing he was way ahead went on his bike, complete 180. Fight was horrible after that. Bell just chasing him trying to make it a fight with Mormeck running circles in the ring.

It's been proven time and time again to suck. It's horrible.

How was Matthew Hatton fighting for a vacant title at 154 when he never fought there before?

3. I don't know??? IT's NOT like ANYONE really even KNEW Canelo back then. WBC like ALL the other ones does some WHACK stuff! Don't act like it's JUST the WBC. FREAKING the IBF STRIPPED Tyson Fury for re-matching Klitz. And NOT fighting their BUM Glazkov...

-Canelo was a huge name at that time (check his ratings in Mexico). Canelo was a star long before Hatton. And if you think the WBC wasn't aware of this then I don't know what to tell you.

Hatton had also no business fighting for a vacant belt at 154, a division he didn't fight in. He wasn't even a top welterweight , not even close. A journeyman. You lnow that, or at least should. It was simply an easy fight for Canelo to win a WBC world title. Let's not pretend the WBC doesn't do stuff like this all the time, like how they got Chavez Jr a belt even though Sergio Martinez was champion, etc.

[HeroBando]

I'm still waiting for any proof of that CW offer AFTER he dropped the belt. Canelo's spin is that vacating the title would relieve him of the pressure set by the WBC deadline as well as provide better leverage in negotiations.

Without that proof, Canelo is the leading candidate of boxing's biggest Canard of the 21st century.

Don't wait, there was no offer to fight at any weight. They gave up the belt and said see ya next fall earliest

[GGG Gloveking]

Don't wait, there was no offer to fight at any weight. They gave up the belt and said see ya next fall earliest

See how much easier it is to negotiate without WBC putting timelines on things...lmao!

[JUNIABOY]

"In my entire career, I have never run away from anyone--including him. A lot of people make him out to be the best and that's clearly not the case--he hasn't fought anybody. Who has he knocked out? Who are they? That fight is eventually going to happen....when the time is right, the fight will happen with him, but we are going to make it clear that I'm not going to give away advantages to anyone. I always gave away advantages in my career, and I will not give them away anymore."
--Canelo Alvarez to ESPN desportes.

How can this be anymore clear to the fans that Canelo is making excuses for ducking GGG? He's using GGG hater's arguments by bringing up resume...forgetting the fact that GGG's resume would look a lot better if he fought you, Canelo?

Then he says the fight is going to happen...............long pause............eventually. That's what fans see. They don't care that Canelo needs this or that or whatever to make the fight. All they hear is that the fight will happen when Canelo deems the time to be right. GGG/Canelo doesn't need marinating because it's as big now as it's ever going to get. So, when he brings up resume, then in the same breath says the time isn't the time to fight, it makes him look like an ever bigger duck. Nobody doesn't want to hear advantages from Canelo's camp when they had every single advantage on the book heading into negotiations with K2, except weight. Because of that 1 sticking point, they gave up. That's on Canelo.