Comments Thread For: Canelo Smiles: I Ran From Golovkin? He's Fought NOBODY!

[JUNIABOY]

All fighters are hype until proven otherwise, Loeffler changes his story more than his underwear. People say the guy is p4p one of the best, why? Because he's beaten nobody. He's 34 years old, 35 fights in and has not ONE, ZERO, ZIP win vs an elite fighter. He has no career defining win. Unless Murray to you is career defining. I don't think Canelo went out of his way to make the fight happen, but Canelo in the absolute schooling he got from Floyd, still has faced top opposition. Ok, his fans excuses are that "no one will fight him". Lara apparently will. Or if not, move up....seek greatness. But, he doesn't want to because he has this massive dream of unifying the MW division instead....odd that the division he's trying to unify happens to be one of if not THE weakest division in boxing. I'm going to say the first elite fighter he faces gives him hell. It would be better if Brook one, that way GayLoveKin gets exposed, and khan kills himself.

Boxing fans have always known that for a great boxer to prove his worth, he needs a worthy opponent. GGG's team is chasing down all these guys & getting ducked for their work. Canelo jerked GGG's team for 2 months, Eubank another month. Now unless they wanted to go back to square one, perhaps wasting another month, they could have done that...for less money. Or they could restore the event that seemed lost with another British fighter. It's not the British fighter boxing fans want. But it's the fight that allows GGG to break into the UK market. That's worth more than fighting a no-name opponent, or a worse mismatch from a boxer within the MW division. There is no win here if we're keeping our scope so narrow. Most don't understand that GGG's career didn't really start until he signed with K2 in 2009. Most don't know that. So, in 7 years he's not only become 1 belt away from his dream, but he's now the most talked-about boxer in the world. He's a world-wide brand...in 7 years. Most boxers could only hope to accomplish as much within that time frame. GGG has not been fighting under K2 his entire career. In fact, he had promotion woes just the same as Andre Ward. So, he fulfilled his contract under the old promotion, & signed on with K2. That's when his career really began. It's easy for some to criticize without knowing the full story. And let's be fair, if a top promotion like GBP or Top Rank had signed GGG, GGG would have fought a bunch of named fighters by now. And that's the truth.

No boxing fan should ever jump to a conclusion on a fighter who is being ducked. It's the guy who's ducking that we should question. And let's not discount the fact that GGG's team was looking for a viable opponent to have GGG's UK debut. Lara brings no draw to a UK market...that draw will be all GGG. So, in that line of thinking, GGG's team would be justified to offer him a million or less...which they likely will scoff at since Haymon was paying a million to fight no-names. That UK event would be due to all of GGG's drawing power...none of that money is being generated by Lara. And it likely is a failed event because Lara isn't a British fighter. Additionally, I have no problem surmising that Lara's team would turn down a fight in September only because Lara would have a short camp to prepare for GGG. You know, GGG is going to fight in December. And Lara could very well be that next opponent. As a boxing fan, I see Lara getting KO'd like the rest. I have no interest in that fight other than to have the critics eat their words. There is nothing in Lara's style that GGG hasn't see...& he's seen stronger punchers as well. If you use the eye test, there really is only 1 way Lara is winning that boxing match: run & hope the judges respect him for it. GGG will cut off the ring on Lara. And Lara's punching power will not deter GGG from being aggressive. Once Lara gets trapped in a corner, GGG will obliterate him. Lara has nothing that GGG can't deal with. Now Ward's style is the closest I have seen to a boxer having the skills to beat GGG. But Ward is contractually bound to HBO. So, really, there was no viable options for GGG for a UK debut in September. And besides, it was Hearn who convinced Brook to sign...it was Hearn who offered up Brook rather than DeGale (which he probably doesn't have any right to advise since Haymon calls the shots on the SMW champion). You can be angry about the matchup. But direct the anger where it belongs. This fight was supposed to GGG/Eubank Jr. But we get the mismatch instead. Is that GGG's fault?

[JUNIABOY]

The funny thing is I don't even like Canelo. He is probably my least favorite boxer actually. But even G admits he will only fight Canelo at a higher weight than Canelo has ever fought at before. That's it. G won't fight him at 155 and Canelo won't fight G at 160. Canelo has never fought above 155 and G has never fought lower than 160. Canelo isn't ducking in fact he said he will move up and fight him in a year. Where as G said he would fight from 154-168 and then changed to only 160. Canelo and G are both divas. Canelo always needs special advantages and G always fights easy sure-fire wins. Canelo just gave up the belt he never should have had in the first place. He tried to keep a mw belt and only fight at 155 and got rejected. Can't do that. That's why I don't like Canelo. G said anyone from 154-168 for years and then when he became Canelo's mandatory for a mw belt, he changed his tune and will only fight at 160. That's why I don't like G. Probably the two biggest divas in boxing right now. Canelo fighting Khan at 155 and some Smith guy or something. And G fighting Wade, which might be a step above a Rod Salka but maybe not too, and a ww at 160. What a great year for this duo. There is no way to defend either of these two.

That's ignoring the unique situation. GGG was Canelo's mandatory. And before that, GGG was Cotto's mandatory. The boxing fans would have blasted GGG if he stood in the way of a Cotto/Canelo bout...which I myself was rooting to happen. But GGG only stepped aside with the concession that he's getting the winner....hence, being the mandatory. Cotto knew this. That's why he refused to pay the belt fees. He didn't want the belt knowing he'd have to fight GGG next. Of course, Canelo wasn't as smart & paid the belt fees anyway. So, when he won, he was the new MW champion with a world title to go along with the lineal title. So, at that point, Canelo could have easily vacated again & not gotten as much blowback as he's gotten so far. But, his team decided to hold the belt, apply for a voluntary defense, then use that voluntary defense to fight Amir Khan. Once again, Canelo could have vacated once more to avoid GGG...spin it in the press conference in a way that's saying he's not ready (or he's not big enough or good enough to beat GGG yet...no shame in admitting you're not as good, but vow to get better in preparation for it). But nope. That's not what they did, did they? Canelo's team used the belt to their own means, then vacated under their own terms. Disrespectful doesn't begin to describe it. That's why the WBC quickly awarded GGG the belt. If Canelo never wanted to be put in this situation, he should have never acquired the belt...or, at least vacated it at the proper time. We can't ignore the ******ity of it.

So, this is going back to Caneloweight, Canelo was never in a position to enforce 155. By the time Canelo won against Cotto, the fans had become fed up with 155 (Canelo's twitter account is proof of that). And as long as he held the belt & GGG was his mandatory, he was never in a position to enforce 155. No chance he could enforce a CW on a mandatory. And he had virtually every other advantage a boxer could get...especially money...he just couldn't have 155. In essence, it was Canelo's team that ducked over 155. They wanted 155 and everything else. They wanted EVERYTHING in their favor...EVERYTHING...that's how cowardly an approach they made. But just because GGG refused to fight for a 160 title at 155, Canelo ducked. That's why it looks so bad. Canelo drains an extra 5 lbs for no reason. And he could have easily come into the fight at 155...and GGG could fight at 160. Both would be physically in their prime, right? This is why I don't understand how anyone can defend Canelo on this. Where is the logic? Canelo ducked because GGG wasn't going to bend over backward for him. GGG is a draw too, you know. Not as big a draw as Canelo. But GGG is Canelo's current biggest payday. If Canelo is all about the money, then why did they turn down a fight that they could have gotten right away? Or if Canelo is all about the legacy, here was a legacy fight against the toughest challenge of his career...he still ducked. The whole thing stinks of cowardice. Thus, Canelo is a duck.

[NUCLEAR]

Ever hear of a guy named Kell Brook???

POS GGG Fans are a JOKE!

Nice try but i'm not even a GGG fan.

[PoserExposer]

Theres a difference agreeing to fight the 2 greatest fighters of this generation and demanding a catch weight. He never demanded a catch weight, you're stretching it bro. And remember, GGG is the unified middleweight kingpin scaring cowards like Canelo out of their 1 time belt without throwing a punch. Now THATS a boss bro. Nexxxxxxxxxxt....

Yet, your bum fighter wanted a catch weight with Pacquiao and Floyd. Now what?

Canelo calls the shots. If you don't like it, then who cares what you or anybody thinks.

[PoserExposer]

What's even more laughable is you rather cheer someone like Canelo who's quick to dump his belt and please his fans for fear of getting KTFO. Ok bro...pass me whatever you're on because you sure are high!

Lol again @ "brave fighters" I think you meant "fighters on house arrest that need a quick half mil"

[GGG Gloveking]

Yet, your bum fighter wanted a catch weight with Pacquiao and Floyd. Now what?

Canelo calls the shots. If you don't like it, then who cares what you or anybody thinks.

Canelo calls the shots.. Well, lets see. Golovkin says "Give me my belt". Canelo gives him his belt.

Who is calling shots here??

[CaneloMaidana]

Theres a difference agreeing to fight the 2 greatest fighters of this generation and demanding a catch weight. He never demanded a catch weight, you're stretching it bro. And remember, GGG is the unified middleweight kingpin scaring cowards like Canelo out of their 1 time belt without throwing a punch. Now THATS a boss bro. Nexxxxxxxxxxt....

And refusing to fight Ward.

[Metho_4u]

Boxing fans have always known that for a great boxer to prove his worth, he needs a worthy opponent. GGG's team is chasing down all these guys & getting ducked for their work. Canelo jerked GGG's team for 2 months, Eubank another month. Now unless they wanted to go back to square one, perhaps wasting another month, they could have done that...for less money. Or they could restore the event that seemed lost with another British fighter. It's not the British fighter boxing fans want. But it's the fight that allows GGG to break into the UK market. That's worth more than fighting a no-name opponent, or a worse mismatch from a boxer within the MW division. There is no win here if we're keeping our scope so narrow. Most don't understand that GGG's career didn't really start until he signed with K2 in 2009. Most don't know that. So, in 7 years he's not only become 1 belt away from his dream, but he's now the most talked-about boxer in the world. He's a world-wide brand...in 7 years. Most boxers could only hope to accomplish as much within that time frame. GGG has not been fighting under K2 his entire career. In fact, he had promotion woes just the same as Andre Ward. So, he fulfilled his contract under the old promotion, & signed on with K2. That's when his career really began. It's easy for some to criticize without knowing the full story. And let's be fair, if a top promotion like GBP or Top Rank had signed GGG, GGG would have fought a bunch of named fighters by now. And that's the truth.

No boxing fan should ever jump to a conclusion on a fighter who is being ducked. It's the guy who's ducking that we should question. And let's not discount the fact that GGG's team was looking for a viable opponent to have GGG's UK debut. Lara brings no draw to a UK market...that draw will be all GGG. So, in that line of thinking, GGG's team would be justified to offer him a million or less...which they likely will scoff at since Haymon was paying a million to fight no-names. That UK event would be due to all of GGG's drawing power...none of that money is being generated by Lara. And it likely is a failed event because Lara isn't a British fighter. Additionally, I have no problem surmising that Lara's team would turn down a fight in September only because Lara would have a short camp to prepare for GGG. You know, GGG is going to fight in December. And Lara could very well be that next opponent. As a boxing fan, I see Lara getting KO'd like the rest. I have no interest in that fight other than to have the critics eat their words. There is nothing in Lara's style that GGG hasn't see...& he's seen stronger punchers as well. If you use the eye test, there really is only 1 way Lara is winning that boxing match: run & hope the judges respect him for it. GGG will cut off the ring on Lara. And Lara's punching power will not deter GGG from being aggressive. Once Lara gets trapped in a corner, GGG will obliterate him. Lara has nothing that GGG can't deal with. Now Ward's style is the closest I have seen to a boxer having the skills to beat GGG. But Ward is contractually bound to HBO. So, really, there was no viable options for GGG for a UK debut in September. And besides, it was Hearn who convinced Brook to sign...it was Hearn who offered up Brook rather than DeGale (which he probably doesn't have any right to advise since Haymon calls the shots on the SMW champion). You can be angry about the matchup. But direct the anger where it belongs. This fight was supposed to GGG/Eubank Jr. But we get the mismatch instead. Is that GGG's fault?

I didn't read passed you said "chasing down these guys. That's BS, but you're going to defend him no matter what. Lomachenko likely the best amateur in the sports history, and came up short in his SECOND pro fight against a dirty, fouling, overweight BUT proven, and even then almost got knocked out. Now in his 7th pro fight he's now won his 2nd title in a SECOND weight class. People bring up GayLoveKins amateur record and he's never been down, blah, blah, but it means shat. Stop making excuses, if the guy wanted top fighters...REALLY wanted top fighters, he'd be fighting them. Stop buying into k2 and Loefflers bull****t, it's embarrassing and pathetic.

[Metho_4u]

What's even more laughable is you rather cheer someone like Canelo who's quick to dump his belt and please his fans for fear of getting KTFO. Ok bro...pass me whatever you're on because you sure are high!

Hey asswad...I never cheered canelo...I actually said I felt he ducked the fight, but indeed he's the PPV king right now, and doesnt need GayLoveKin....fact.

[zerosixthree]

The funny thing is I don't even like Canelo. He is probably my least favorite boxer actually. But even G admits he will only fight Canelo at a higher weight than Canelo has ever fought at before. That's it. G won't fight him at 155 and Canelo won't fight G at 160. Canelo has never fought above 155 and G has never fought lower than 160. Canelo isn't ducking in fact he said he will move up and fight him in a year. Where as G said he would fight from 154-168 and then changed to only 160. Canelo and G are both divas. Canelo always needs special advantages and G always fights easy sure-fire wins. Canelo just gave up the belt he never should have had in the first place. He tried to keep a mw belt and only fight at 155 and got rejected. Can't do that. That's why I don't like Canelo. G said anyone from 154-168 for years and then when he became Canelo's mandatory for a mw belt, he changed his tune and will only fight at 160. That's why I don't like G. Probably the two biggest divas in boxing right now. Canelo fighting Khan at 155 and some Smith guy or something. And G fighting Wade, which might be a step above a Rod Salka but maybe not too, and a ww at 160. What a great year for this duo. There is no way to defend either of these two.

I don't know why I waste so much time on a fighter who I'm not even a big fan of but here's the thing; you say Alvarez has never fought at 160. That is true. He enters the ring weighing more than that. Gone are the days where weight classes mean what they used to. It used, or at least ought, to be that catchweights allowed fair fights to be made between fighters of disparate weights but nowadays they're used as a weapon to weaken an opponent outside of the ring. The truth is Alvarez and Golovkin enter the ring more or less around 170lb. Having to cut less weight is not going to harm Alvarez.

I guess it depends on whether or not you want to see fair fights or you would rather boxers continue to demand to be given an advantage because they have more instagram followers or whatever metric we use these days to determine a boxers worth.