Guillermo Rigondeaux Technical Discussion (I'm Putting You on the Spot)

[SeekDaGreat]

China chin Rigo, is what we callum round yonder.

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They all put Rigondeaux's jab to shame, Rigo's is more for measuring but the biggest issue is, if he actually had a jab the quality of the southpaws I mentioned, he wouldn't need to wait for counter punching opportunities, he'd be creating them as the jab will force his opponents to initiate more aggressively.

As much **** as Erislandy Lara gets that's one thing he does pretty well.

[The Akbar One]

Rigs is like 5'2 1/2 to 5'3 max, and sometimes weighs 122 in the ring. That makes him the smallest man in the division. He is always outweighed in the ring. He always gives up height as well. What does he do well? He controls distance with his footwork. He counter punches well, and punches on the move well. He intimidates opponents, after they taste the power, he often stands right in front of them, but they don't throw much because of the counter shots that would come. He punches to the body well. He beats guys up with literally one punch, that they know is going to come, but they still can't stop it. And for all the he is chinny talk, he takes a good punch. Donaire landed some flush power shots, and Rigondeaux took them well, for a guy outweighed by 10+ pounds in the ring. He took a flush right hand from Amagasa who outweighed him by 20 pounds in the ring. He recovered well in that instance also. Rigondeaux punches well, his power is more sharp than bludgeoning. His defense is superb, head movement mixed in with footwork. I'd favor him over every slick guy mentioned if you could make them comparatively the same size. He would **** Floyd up.

[b00g13man]

Good thread as always. I'm a fan, but the fanboys take it to another level. He's not displayed (or had the opportunity to display) the range the ATGs and hall of famers he's compared to have against high level opposition. Same applies to Loma.

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He is always outweighed in the ring.

Like Floyd and Whitaker

He always gives up height as well.

So was Whitaker. And he was at reach disadvantage often.

He controls distance with his footwork.

So does every fighter I listed

He counter punches well, and punches on the move well.

So does every fighter I listed.

He intimidates opponents, after they taste the power, he often stands right in front of them, but they don't throw much because of the counter shots that would come.

As is the case with every fighter I listed.

He punches to the body well.

As does every fighter I listed.

He beats guys up with literally one punch

And that's actually a good thing?

that they know is going to come, but they still can't stop it.

What happened to being sneaky and slick with your punches?

And for all the he is chinny talk, he takes a good punch.

So does every fighter I listed.

Donaire landed some flush power shots, and Rigondeaux took them well, for a guy outweighed by 10+ pounds in the ring. He took a flush right hand from Amagasa who outweighed him by 20 pounds in the ring. He recovered well in that instance also.

The fighters I listed ate flush shots from stronger punchers than Donaire and Amagasa.

Rigondeaux punches well, his power is more sharp than bludgeoning.

So does every fighter I listed

His defense is superb, head movement mixed in with footwork.

So is every fighter I listed.

I'd favor him over every slick guy mentioned if you could make them comparatively the same size.

I don't know how. They all do the same things you said he does really well but are multi-dimensional and can do more.

Since when did it become cool to be a one-trick pony?

[Doctor_Tenma]

Rigs is like 5'2 1/2 to 5'3 max, and sometimes weighs 122 in the ring. That makes him the smallest man in the division. He is always outweighed in the ring. He always gives up height as well. What does he do well? He controls distance with his footwork. He counter punches well, and punches on the move well. He intimidates opponents, after they taste the power, he often stands right in front of them, but they don't throw much because of the counter shots that would come. He punches to the body well. He beats guys up with literally one punch, that they know is going to come, but they still can't stop it. And for all the he is chinny talk, he takes a good punch. Donaire landed some flush power shots, and Rigondeaux took them well, for a guy outweighed by 10+ pounds in the ring. He took a flush right hand from Amagasa who outweighed him by 20 pounds in the ring. He recovered well in that instance also. Rigondeaux punches well, his power is more sharp than bludgeoning. His defense is superb, head movement mixed in with footwork. I'd favor him over every slick guy mentioned if you could make them comparatively the same size. He would **** Floyd up.

I'd pick plenty of fighters to beat him if we're talking about shrinking anyone down, you need a versatile jab in this sport, it can't solely be dependent on trying to bait your opponent in/ measuring or blinding them, that wouldn't work against so many greats. Marquez would have killed him with rights, as would Morales who had a superior lead right hand to Marquez', Barrera would have jabbed him to death, work his way inside and drag him into a war we're not even certain Rigondeaux can win.

[Doctor_Tenma]

As much **** as Erislandy Lara gets that's one thing he does pretty well.

That's probably the only thing Lara has over Rigondeaux. He forced Trout, who's usually afraid to lead, to lead. Canelo got tired of eating those jabs that he had to come out aggressive in the 4th round.

[IronDanHamza]

Flaws I see in Rigondeaux;

Shown no inside game at all thus far

Paws with the jab, more of a range fire.

I don't see much versatility from him

Question mark on his chin

[KingHippo]

Pernell Whitaker and Marvin Hagler had great southpaw jabs. A jab can be used more than creating distance. A jab can be used to:

1. Set up and finish combinations
2. Disrupt your opponents rhythm
3. Close distance

And I haven't even touched the tip of the iceberg. Watch how many different ways Andre Ward utilizes his lead hand. Hell, let's keep it southpaw and watch Pernell Whitaker.

These fighters do so much more than Rigo.

We should keep it southpaw since we're talking about a southpaw fighter.

I already clearly stated earlier why southpaws like Hagler, Whitaker and Wright were able to use the jab, because of their square stance. When Whitaker adopted a more conventional stance against De la Hoya, he got punished every time he tried to use it.

And the fact that Rigo keeps things simple actually works in his advantage.
Combos and flashy angles are for the Khans and Pacquiaos of this world. Hell, by your definition, Emmanuel Augustus was a more complete fighter than Rigondeaux.

[The Akbar One]

I'd pick plenty of fighters to beat him if we're talking about shrinking anyone down, you need a versatile jab in this sport, it can't solely be dependent on trying to bait your opponent in/ measuring or blinding them, that wouldn't work against so many greats. Marquez would have killed him with rights, as would Morales who had a superior lead right hand to Marquez', Barrera would have jabbed him to death, work his way inside and drag him into a war we're not even certain Rigondeaux can win.

You suggest Rigondeaux doesn't have a jab. He jabs to the body and head, but he also parries and interferes with the opponents rhythm with the jab hand.

Not likely. Speed, slickness, or good technical boxing always bothers those Mexicans. Barrera? Junior Jones was no Rigondeaux. Morales? Raheem, was no Rigondeaux. Marquez? John was no Rigondeaux. I'm just saying.