Bernard Hopkins took calculated risks, he is 1 of the most overrated modern ATG

[IMDAZED]

styles makes fights....he wasnt jumping at a jones rematch until he was well done...hopkins dont like speed and movement.

Look at his face vs dawson 2...he knew he couldnt figure that kid out

I don't doubt that he wasn't jumping at a Jones rematch. But Calzaghe? NO.

[IronDanHamza]

this is a tactical guru...you figure your opponent out in rematches or mid fight

floyd mayweather had two rematches...he beat both Castillo and Maidana worse in the rematches


Joe Louis would struggle in fights, but destroy guys in rematches and have them figured

their are other guys who adapted on the fly better than Hopkins, who imo did what he did more so than adapt and change mid fight

put it this way, Hopkins(at or near prime vs ward, im picking ward....ward is a better technician and adapts when his plan isnt working

Hopkins lost to taylor the same way he lost the first fight, he doesnt step on the gas he forces his fight

Yeah because James Toney does fantastic in rematches doesn't he.

[IronDanHamza]

styles makes fights....he wasnt jumping at a jones rematch until he was well done...hopkins dont like speed and movement.

Look at his face vs dawson 2...he knew he couldnt figure that kid out

If you're actually trying to run with Hopkins fought Tarver to avoid Calzaghe then you're absolutely hilarious.

Seriously, that will not run.

You're either lying to yourself or weren't following boxing at the time.

[therealpugilist]

I don't doubt that he wasn't jumping at a Jones rematch. But Calzaghe? NO.

we can respectfully, agree to disagree...I still think Hopkins is great, he just is a little overrated and took calculated risks

[IMDAZED]

we can respectfully, agree to disagree...I still think Hopkins is great, he just is a little overrated and took calculated risks

I can agree with that. I can't agree with making up out of thin air him somehow avoiding Joe Calzaghe.

[therealpugilist]

If you're actually trying to run with Hopkins fought Tarver to avoid Calzaghe then you're absolutely hilarious.

Seriously, that will not run.

You're either lying to yourself or weren't following boxing at the time.

Tarver was an easier style and at the time I wondered why he didnt fight calzaghe first....styles make fights...you can laugh all you wont, still wont change the fact Hopkins was lost vs someone he didnt dwarf and had speed and movement

yea I wasnt watching boxing at the time, even though I watched hopkins entire overrated title reign at 160....he stayed in a dead division when Benn, McCallum, McClellan, Jones, Toney, Nunn were actually fighting each other at 160 and 168

[djtmal]

Hopkins was one of those cats, who knew when to take a risk, usually when the coast was clear. Definitely wasn't moving up from 160, while James Toney was @ 168 and 175, calling out any and everybody, and Roy Jones was Superman, cape and all, telling him on national tv "60-40", lol. I don't think Bernard Hopkins, ever mentioned James' name years ago, and there was maybe a window or two for a fight to happen with Bernard and James legitly.

Roy gets the "S" smacked off his chest, James eats his way up to heavyweight, Tarver figures its better to hang out with Stallone, and Bernard figures the coast is clear, good time to take a risk. Lol

[ИATAS]

Tarver was an easier style and at the time I wondered why he didnt fight calzaghe first....styles make fights...you can laugh all you wont, still wont change the fact Hopkins was lost vs someone he didnt dwarf and had speed and movement

Because why the fu ck would he have fought Calzaghe over Tarver? You ignored my post that when Hopkins signed to fight Tarver , Calzaghe hadn't even fought Jeff Lacy yet. So who was Calzaghe before Jeff Lacy? He wasn't considered ****, which is the precise reason Lacy was a big favorite over him. Calzaghe hadn't proven anything yet (which is funny to me that you say you were a big Calzaghe fan at this time but I'll put that and it's implications aside). Tarver was a top pound for pound fighter, a big name, at 175 which is a historic division (more prestigious than 168 for sure), while Calzaghe wasn't any of those things. Of course Tarver was viewed as the bigger challenge at the time not to mention the far bigger fight.

[therealpugilist]

Yeah because James Toney does fantastic in rematches doesn't he.

No one is making toney out to be some tactical genius...people love toney's defense and actually admit his shortcomings

Hopkins on the other hand gets excuses for all of his loses

Jones...he was green...yea at 28 years old and 90+ amatuer fights

Taylor.....he was supposedly shot...yes I followed boxing then an people were saying hopkns was old....naw, he just couldnt deal with the style


same with the others. they make excuses, about his age

[therealpugilist]

Hopkins was one of those cats, who knew when to take a risk, usually when the coast was clear. Definitely wasn't moving up from 160, while James Toney was @ 168 and 175, calling out any and everybody, and Roy Jones was Superman, cape and all, telling him on national tv "60-40", lol. I don't think Bernard Hopkins, ever mentioned James' name years ago, and there was maybe a window or two for a fight to happen with Bernard and James legitly.

Roy gets the "S" smacked off his chest, James eats his way up to heavyweight, Tarver figures its better to hang out with Stallone, and Bernard figures the coast is clear, good time to take a risk. Lol

this was classic.....60/40 and i'll whoop your azzz!!!!! Jones was my hero as a kid.


Look at the comments and you'll see all the " he was green doe" comments...priceless...the MFer had more pro fights than jones, is 4 years older and had near a 100 am fights