Max Kellerman Blast Mayweather on First Take Pac will fight Crawford

[BillyBoxing]

But you can argue it also took Manny 6 years to fight Floyd, it goes both ways, if Manny wouldn't take the tests etc... Also Arum stopped Cotto fighting Floyd for a long time, he said he wasn't ready, that's on record. Cotto was with Top Rank for a while and Floyd and Top Rank weren't doing deals.

Manny fought Mosley and Hatton and De La Hoya after Floyd already beat them and didn't even have to drain De La Hoya or Cotto.

By the way i'm not disagreeing or arguing, i like both Floyd and Manny, but i'm showing how easy it is to spin things for your own agenda if you really want to.

By the way, Berto was a horrible pick, Guerrero too in a way. But Ortiz at the time was not, i don't care how bad he is in hindsight. Hindsight doesn't exist when a fight is signed and at the time Ortiz was WBC Champ, had beaten a hyped undefeated Berto. At the time of signing the fight, that isn't a bad opponent for anybody. You can't go on hindsight when judging a fight, you should only go from when the fight was signed and happened. Otherwise we can pick holes in any opponent after they lose.

Obviously Manny had some bias fights too.

But Manny was also fighting his rival Marquez 2 times at WW, he fought Bradley 3 times, those guys aren't WW, so isn't Manny.
Then Manny fought bigger guys at WW.

Everybody ignoring the Clottey win, but Clottey was regarded as an avoided fighter who should have gotten the decision vs Cotto.

The Cotto win ignored too bcause of a CW but Floyd is credited of a CW win over Alvarez. I'm telling you Floyd is getting a pass with a lot of things.

Floyd have been a WW for years, more than Manny.

Ortiz was horrible, he did quit vs Maidana.

I'm not calling Mayweather a duck, I'm just saying he was a smart matchmaker, and protected himself fighting once a year and picking too often average guys, and I truly believe the Marquez KO decided Floyd to fight Manny.

Floyd fought good fighters late in his career (Cotto, Alvarez, Mosley, Maidana, Manny), he had a last run which somehow enhanced his legacy.

The thing is Cotto, Mosley, Pac happened way too late.
Floyd isn't young himself but those guys are somehow sluggers and were quite washed up.

Maybe not his fault, but Kellerman is right when he says Floyd had an easier path: level wise but also size wise.

Yet Floyd had a tougher path than most fighters, but Floyd is regarded as the best of the modern era so, he is on a different level and a different standard.

As usual, Floyd wanted it both ways.

[BillyBoxing]

Manny also turned pro 2 years younger than Floyd, guess what weight Floyd was fighting at when he was 16?

Floyd has height and reach but weight wise there isn't much difference.

C'mon bro

Here we go again with one of those Flumo idiotic theories/lies.

Guess what, Floyd was 10 pounds when he was 1 years old!!


Manny still was a flyweight WBC champion when he was 20 years old.

At that age Floyd was a 130 fighter.


So why are you talking about Floyd's weight when he was 16?

Manny is clearly a naturally smaller guy, only Flumos will try to deny this obvious fact.

[soul_survivor]

AMAZING POST. The best mayweather career breakdown in boxing scene history. Could not agree more.
Multiple green K's coming

Good stuff.

However, it's only scratching the surface and we have to understand, Max isn't simply criticising Mayweather here and it's not what I'm doing either. We are criticising the modern attitude of "why should I fight the best when I can make teh same amount of money fighting 2 or 3 bums and then fight the relevant opponent when said opponent is past their best".

Just look at how modern fighters are behaving now. It's taken almost half a decade for Andre Ward, a supposed p4p best, to fight a challenging opponent. Saul Alvarez, by nature a true fighter, is being pushed to curb those instincts and wants to fight his best possible opponent over a year down the line...Danny Jacobs wants to do the same and gets a pass as well.

It's becoming the norm in a sport which is supposed to be about fighting men.

[Caught Square]

C'mon bro

Here we go again with one of those Flumo idiotic theories/lies.

Guess what, Floyd was 10 pounds when he was 1 years old!!

Manny still was a flyweight WBC champion when he was 20 years old.

At that age Floyd was a 130 fighter.

So why are you talking about Floyd's weight when he was 16?

Manny is clearly a naturally smaller guy, only Flumos will try to deny this obvious fact.

Because you brought up the weight Pacquiao was when he started his career, when he was 16

People like to conveniently ignore the ages when they turned pro that's all i'm saying..... the weight difference is greatly exaggerated.

[Spoon23]

Good stuff.

However, it's only scratching the surface and we have to understand, Max isn't simply criticising Mayweather here and it's not what I'm doing either. We are criticising the modern attitude of "why should I fight the best when I can make teh same amount of money fighting 2 or 3 bums and then fight the relevant opponent when said opponent is past their best".

Just look at how modern fighters are behaving now. It's taken almost half a decade for Andre Ward, a supposed p4p best, to fight a challenging opponent. Saul Alvarez, by nature a true fighter, is being pushed to curb those instincts and wants to fight his best possible opponent over a year down the line...Danny Jacobs wants to do the same and gets a pass as well.

It's becoming the norm in a sport which is supposed to be about fighting men.

Boxing before was about brovado and machismo. It is about proving who is the best. Now a days, because of floyd's blue print of fighting watered down fighters for less pubishment and maximum revenues. It is now more of a business than for proving who is the best gladiator on earth/division/multiple division etc

This topic is important since we consumers who pay to watch the sport that we love. Want to get our moneys worth, we want to be entertained. We want the days of yore when the best wants to fight the best. Money is secondary to the old legends of the game. Being glorified for beating the meanest baddest opponent on the block is glory they seek and the adulation of the fans. That is what a true warrior is all about, but sadly, floyd's ways have robbed off to the new boys of boxing. They dont want to fight for pennies, because of the risk of losing will affect them greatly that it will affect their marketablility as a fighter. But as max mentioned, pac is a throwback, he became popular for pushing himself and challenging himself over and over, while in doing so was able to be paid well. But what if you are not as talented as Pac, and risking defeat will throw you out of the boxing loop since you've lost marketability. That's the big problem. Boxers dont want to take risk for fear of losing their marketability.

Floyd's blue print has robbed off to this generation of boxers, and definetly not in a good way.

[travestyny]

1) Is Floyd the only fighter in boxing history to lose weight after a weigh in?
2) Is Floyd the only person in history to be badly dehydrated for losing three pounds?

Answer those.

You are literally obsessed with knowing he lost a half a pound after being able to eat as much as he would like the night before? How much of a moron are you?

[travestyny]

see what i mean, completely change the subject! lmao!!!


first of all, i never said floyd is near 160. and the poster you had a conversation with prior to me quoting you, never said floyd was at 160. you made a post stating that pac was heavier than floyd on fight night so that poster asked you to show proof, he said there's no way floyd was smaller than pac on fight night when floyd has the frame to fight at 160. thats when you posted this --



thats when i asked you floyd's weight (the one he makes up) or the real official weight.

so once again, i suggest you keep the name calling to youself, smart guy.

Dude, if you are too slow to follow dialogue, please leave it to other posters. You're just going to hurt yourself. This is what I responded to:

"Manny fighting Floyd is like Floyd fighting GGG, or even a SMW" well, Max is right.

Now do you see why are are indeed a moron?

[travestyny]

still waiting on proof that he was 149 versus pac lmao!! floyd was smaller than pac??? but didnt the mayweathers accused pac of being on peds because there was no way a small guy like that can go up in weight and dominate all these bigger guys but now your telling me floyd was smaller than pac all along? lmao!! and since you keep insisting on "show me where floyd is cose to 160" here yo go, now GOMD

LMAOOOOO. This is your proof? Professional wrestling???


Dude, stop clowning yourself. Why did you duck my other post.

Canelo fight. 150 on fight night.

Does he look 10 lbs heavier to you vs. Pacquaio?

[WesternChamp]

Dude, if you are too slow to follow dialogue, please leave it to other posters. You're just going to hurt yourself. This is what I responded to:



Now do you see why are are indeed a moron?

just stop it. the guy you had a conversation with prior to me quoting you, never once mention that floyd was 160. LOL!!! he said there's no way floyd was smaller than pac (since you insisted that manny was heavier than floyd on fight night). he said floyd has the frame to fight at 160, never did he said floyd is 160. so try again, smart guy. and try to keep the name calling to yourself this time. LOL.

[WesternChamp]

LMAOOOOO. This is your proof? Professional wrestling???


Dude, stop clowning yourself. Why did you duck my other post.

Canelo fight. 150 on fight night.

Does he look 10 lbs heavier to you vs. Pacquaio?

you asked for proof and i gave it to you. a real life video, not some fake ass picture! LOL!! i can get on a scale and take a picture and have the scale set to 180 LOL. does that mean that im 180? LOL!!! videos dont lie, pictures do!

so floyd is smaller than pac then? LOL!! why did floyd have problem making weight for the marquez fight then?? if i recall, floyd missed with contracted weight that was agreed upon. so you're telling me, floyd just wanted to pay marquez extra since floyd was feeling generous? LOL!!

if this video is fake, why would wwe make floyd seem bigger??? wouldnt making floyd seem smaller look better since floyd was facing off against the big show??? lmao!!! come hold this L my ninja!!