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Wladimirs record would have looked a lot different if he wasnt allowed to grab and lean on people, funnily enough when he fought a bigger man who even if he wanted to, tyson ' 2 fast' fury, he lost and lost conclusively and lack of actual boxing skill was shown up. David haye was rightly criticised for his performance against wlad but wtf is he meant to do, cant outjab him from outside because of reach, as soon as he gets in close the robot gives him a bearhug. Same with povetkin, thats probably the worst of it ive seen. And yet *****kos fans claim that as one of his greatest 'performances'.
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I think judges should start docking points for excessive holding. That would clear up a lot of problems with modern boxing.Comment
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No, no it is not.
If the NSB search would actually work right, you'd get at least 3x the posts claiming that Floyd held "excessively" against Manny. When he did an average of 1 per round. How is 1 per round "excessive"? It isn't - salty people just wanted Floyd to put himself at risk so they could see him lose.
You would also get numerous posts claiming Grabomir is some legend when he held an average of FOURTEEN TIMES per round against Povetkin. Excuses like "oh but that's heavyweight, they get tired". Come on man.
TO this day people claim Rumble in the Jungle is one of the greatest boxing matches in history yet it was a straight up clinchfest.
Yet Floyd uses it roughly ONCE per round and gets criticized.
Let's assume that's true. Sounds to me that Manny was tentative and nervous if that's the case, since he wasn't afraid to get close to Margacheato or Cotto. Why all of a sudden was he afraid to get close to TBE?
Maybe it's because he knew he'd lose. As he said God told him in a dream. Maybe he assumed Floyd would "Marquez" him. If that's true, then it just confirms the outcome as appropriate. You can't be scared and nervous and win a fight. Ask Peter Quillin.Last edited by Combat Talk Radio; 07-23-2016, 02:53 PM.Comment
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You punch and clinch to prevent return fire, you also clinch if he is charging in, it's ok.
But if someone is not fighting, not throwing punches, and clinching just to kill time again and again just like Broner did to Porter, it's a foul.Comment
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Of course, but Floyd is Floyd and the FOTC dwarfs any other fight in years so it's natural you're going to get a lot more BS as a result. But I defy you to find any reasonably discussed thread on Wlad Povetkin where Wlad wasn't heavily criticised for his clinching and other foul tactics. I closely followed the fallout of that ********, and I remember even Freedom voicing his disgust at the time, along with a number of hardliners who'd normally excuse Wlad anything. I certainly don't remember numerous posts praising Wlad as a legend, not from the majority of posters anyway.
TBH, your portrayal of the fight strikes me as a bit of an excuse to create a straw man.Comment
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Blaming Povetkin(!):
One of "10 best wins"(!):
"Greatness" of:
Special appearance of a post again blaming Povetkin:
I have no words on this post:
Again, Povetkin's fault:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...2&postcount=13
Ref's fault:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...9&postcount=14
No comment:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=665256
No comment here either:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...34&postcount=8
Sure, there's people criticizing every blue moon, but compare that to Floyd or even Canelo's critics. It's not even close.Comment
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floyds reflexes have slowed
So he clinches more often ..he clinches too much imo. He mixes over moving and clinching to stink up the fight and rhythm of the opponent.
He should have been warned at the very least a few times. Ward is just plain excessive and needs to be docked points.
Wlad is just ruthless and needs to be DQdComment
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Kudos on your research, but like I said you're not going to have as many posts on Wlad as you would on Mayweather (or Canelo for that matter) so the total level of criticism is going to be lower. Add in that Wlad isn't half as polarising as those figures and you're obviously not going to be getting so much nonsense associated with him.Blaming Povetkin(!):
One of "10 best wins"(!):
"Greatness" of:
Special appearance of a post again blaming Povetkin:
I have no words on this post:
Again, Povetkin's fault:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...2&postcount=13
Ref's fault:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...9&postcount=14
No comment:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=665256
No comment here either:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...34&postcount=8
Sure, there's people criticizing every blue moon, but compare that to Floyd or even Canelo's critics. It's not even close.
That's not the same as him getting a pass on his fights, though.Comment
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It is in my opinion. I'm still trying to wrap around my head how Floyd "excessively" held Manny when he only held 1-2 times per round. Like people don't understand the definition of "excessive". People bashing Crawford for outboxing Postol rather than taking unnecessary risks. One thread saying they were mad because Crawford was fighting like Floyd - it's that crap that pisses me off.
Rock-em-sock-em robot fights like Ali/Vargas with absolutely no defensive inclusion have their place - and it's not at the top of the division. Solid undercards are always a necessity. Top of the division should be top of the skill game - hit and not be hit.Comment
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