Did Floyd Mayweather use PED's? (simple answer for an OG member please)

[travestyny]

You mean su****ious like vampire a facial?

Or could it be the DCO doing his ****ing job like he is trained to when it's necessary for the athlete to hydrate in order to complete a. full urine sample.


[Comment to G.4.6: It is the responsibility of the Athlete to provide a Sample
with a Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis. If his/her first Sample is too
dilute, he/she should not need further hydration and therefore should avoid
drinking as far as possible until a Sample with a Suitable Specific Gravity for
Analysis is provided. The DCO should wait as long as necessary to collect
such a Sample. The Testing Authority may specify procedures to be followed
by the DCO in determining whether exceptional circumstances exist that
make it impossible to continue with the Sample Collection Session.]

- WADA ISTI



Wrong for two reasons both due to your lack of knowledgeable fact based information.

1.) the dco will wait until the athlete is able to provide a suitable sample of the urine sample is too dilute because of overhydration. That's your first mistake.

Annex G - Urine Samples that do not meet the
requirement for Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis

G.4 Requirements
G.4.1 The DCO shall determine that the requirements for Suitable Specific
Gravity for Analysis have not been met.
G.4.2 The DCO shall inform the Athlete that he/she is required to provide a
further Sample.
G.4.3 While waiting to provide a further Sample, the Athlete shall remain
under continuous observation.
G.4.4 The Athlete shall be advised not to hydrate excessively, since this
may delay the production of a suitable Sample. In appropriate circumstances,
excessive hydration may be pursued as a violation of Code Article 2.5
(Tampering or Attempted Tampering with any part of Doping Control).
G.4.5 When the Athlete is able to provide an additional Sample, the DCO
shall repeat the procedures for Sample collection set out in Annex D –
Collection of Urine Samples.
G.4.6 The DCO should continue to collect additional Samples until the
requirement for Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis is met, or until the DCO
determines that there are exceptional circumstances which mean that for
logistical reasons it is impossible to continue with the Sample Collection Session. Such exceptional circumstances shall be documented accordingly by
the DCO.


6 hours you say? Sounds like the dco did a good job. He should be applauded.


2.) wada acredited labs VERIFY THE URINE SAMPLE COLLECTION MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS such as volume and specific gravity or else they will not count the sample. They submit results of the sample and abp analysis into the ADAMS system. If the values are distorted, the system will alert them of a su****ious sample and the lab follows through with additional procedures.

Its a checks and balances process from there involving multiple en****** and a long paper trail.

Ultimately without a tue, atheletes can possibly be charged with an ANTI DOPING VIOLATION - all because of "distorted values".

So you've been factually proven wrong.





The ABP intends to establish that an Athlete is manipulating his/her physiological
variables, without necessarily relying on the detection of a particular Prohibited
Substance or Prohibited Method.

- WADA Athlete Biological Passport
Operating Guidelines


An athelete can be charged with an ANTI DOPING RULE VIOLATION for distorted abp results that are inconsistent, spiked or dropped off compared to an atheletes own historical values.




I get it. I know. Athletes can microdose epo right into their skin and go undetected. 20 ways to beat any test. Got it.

The mantra is to accuse all powerfull Floyd with unlimited funds given to the best in the business to beat a ped test. In your effort prove Floyd has access to undetectable designer drugs, you prove iv isn't needed to beat the test.




That was you answer as to how he beat all the other test without the iv.

You claim the iv was necessary because they didn't expect the DCO.

So 19 years, 47 fights, all powerful Floyd and team is not expecting a urine test the day before a fight. Really?




Agreed.

No need for an iv to mask then.




No you don't. You don't even understand how the BIO PASSORT is utilized.

Take some time and read WADAS athlete biological passport operations guide.

Stop with the half truths.



Passport thingy? You seem very knowledgeable regarding the issue. Tell me more.





Wrong.


USADA determined lance used a blood tranfusion through the analysis of his passport.

Fact.

Research the latest news on "Lance Armstrong abp samples" and get back to me. I already gave you a link a couple pages ago. And I have more.




Step your game up pact@rd. Your conspiracy theories are unraveling at the seems. Way too big.

Simple fact, Floyd notified USADA in ADVANCE. Big difference than Hauser initial reported lie. Big difference.

Hahaha!!! This dude should go into hiding after what you just did to him. Good ****!

[Journeyman]

Wow, as the OP, I didn't expect so many replies...appreciate the info.

Conclusion: Floyd Mayweather used PED's.

[ADP02]

As usual, you make no sense at all. I find it fishy because I point out something makes no sense?

Perhaps you can answer the question then. If USADA was in pocket, why did he need a TUE?

Man, I keep on telling you ..... just like Lance Armstrong had to follow the steps. Just like Lance still got caught even though he paid off plenty of top people in high places.

Lance got caught. Then had to get a retro prescription and they allowed all that which is the cover up!!! You cannot pay off everyone. So that is why it happened.

EXAMPLE: Floyd uses an IV. USADA says nothing. Tests come back from a WADA approved Lab and find plastic residue that is found in IV plastic bags. Floyd and USADA have a problem Houston!


BTW - Remember that it took close to 3 weeks before Floyd requested for that Retro TUE. Maybe Floyd/USADA thought they can get away with it but then the Lab tests came back positive. So they needed a plan ... called Retro TUE. Or like I'm trying to tell you, they didn't want to take a chance. A Retro TUE was something that USADA can take care of. A positive test or something coming back to haunt them later (months later or more) would have been worse.


"Alberto Contador, a three-time Tour de France champion from Spain, was found guilty of doping on Monday after he tested positive in 2010 for a performance-enhancing drug. A phthalate plasticizer, typically used to soften plastic for bags or tubes, also was found in his system, which prompted allegations of an illegal blood transfusion.

Doping in the world of elite sports has grown so high-tech that officials began testing athletes like Contador not only for banned substances and illegal medical procedures, but also for trace evidence of cheating, such as the residues of IV bags.


http://www.environmentalhealthnews.o...s-doping-tests


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[ADP02]

You mean su****ious like vampire a facial?

Or could it be the DCO doing his ****ing job like he is trained to when it's necessary for the athlete to hydrate in order to complete a. full urine sample.


[Comment to G.4.6: It is the responsibility of the Athlete to provide a Sample
with a Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis. If his/her first Sample is too
dilute, he/she should not need further hydration and therefore should avoid
drinking as far as possible until a Sample with a Suitable Specific Gravity for
Analysis is provided. The DCO should wait as long as necessary to collect
such a Sample. The Testing Authority may specify procedures to be followed
by the DCO in determining whether exceptional circumstances exist that
make it impossible to continue with the Sample Collection Session.]

- WADA ISTI



Wrong for two reasons both due to your lack of knowledgeable fact based information.

1.) the dco will wait until the athlete is able to provide a suitable sample of the urine sample is too dilute because of overhydration. That's your first mistake.

Annex G - Urine Samples that do not meet the
requirement for Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis

G.4 Requirements
G.4.1 The DCO shall determine that the requirements for Suitable Specific
Gravity for Analysis have not been met.
G.4.2 The DCO shall inform the Athlete that he/she is required to provide a
further Sample.
G.4.3 While waiting to provide a further Sample, the Athlete shall remain
under continuous observation.
G.4.4 The Athlete shall be advised not to hydrate excessively, since this
may delay the production of a suitable Sample. In appropriate circumstances,
excessive hydration may be pursued as a violation of Code Article 2.5
(Tampering or Attempted Tampering with any part of Doping Control).
G.4.5 When the Athlete is able to provide an additional Sample, the DCO
shall repeat the procedures for Sample collection set out in Annex D –
Collection of Urine Samples.
G.4.6 The DCO should continue to collect additional Samples until the
requirement for Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis is met, or until the DCO
determines that there are exceptional circumstances which mean that for
logistical reasons it is impossible to continue with the Sample Collection Session. Such exceptional circumstances shall be documented accordingly by
the DCO.


6 hours you say? Sounds like the dco did a good job. He should be applauded.


2.) wada acredited labs VERIFY THE URINE SAMPLE COLLECTION MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS such as volume and specific gravity or else they will not count the sample. They submit results of the sample and abp analysis into the ADAMS system. If the values are distorted, the system will alert them of a su****ious sample and the lab follows through with additional procedures.

Its a checks and balances process from there involving multiple en****** and a long paper trail.

Ultimately without a tue, atheletes can possibly be charged with an ANTI DOPING VIOLATION - all because of "distorted values".

So you've been factually proven wrong.





The ABP intends to establish that an Athlete is manipulating his/her physiological
variables, without necessarily relying on the detection of a particular Prohibited
Substance or Prohibited Method.

- WADA Athlete Biological Passport
Operating Guidelines


An athelete can be charged with an ANTI DOPING RULE VIOLATION for distorted abp results that are inconsistent, spiked or dropped off compared to an atheletes own historical values.




I get it. I know. Athletes can microdose epo right into their skin and go undetected. 20 ways to beat any test. Got it.

The mantra is to accuse all powerfull Floyd with unlimited funds given to the best in the business to beat a ped test. In your effort prove Floyd has access to undetectable designer drugs, you prove iv isn't needed to beat the test.




That was you answer as to how he beat all the other test without the iv.

You claim the iv was necessary because they didn't expect the DCO.

So 19 years, 47 fights, all powerful Floyd and team is not expecting a urine test the day before a fight. Really?




Agreed.

No need for an iv to mask then.




No you don't. You don't even understand how the BIO PASSORT is utilized.

Take some time and read WADAS athlete biological passport operations guide.

Stop with the half truths.



Passport thingy? You seem very knowledgeable regarding the issue. Tell me more.





Wrong.


USADA determined lance used a blood tranfusion through the analysis of his passport.

Fact.

Research the latest news on "Lance Armstrong abp samples" and get back to me. I already gave you a link a couple pages ago. And I have more.




Step your game up pact@rd. Your conspiracy theories are unraveling at the seems. Way too big.

Simple fact, Floyd notified USADA in ADVANCE. Big difference than Hauser initial reported lie. Big difference.

Step up my game? I'm 3 steps ahead of you. All you are doing is pointing out that you just read that for the very first time. I had that knowledge already (meaning your quotes from WADA that you just read).

I do not have time now but you just think. Why does Floyd or anyone require a TUE for an IV? That in itself should answer your post!!!

[ADP02]

Hahaha!!! This dude should go into hiding after what you just did to him. Good ****!

We already went over that .... you just do not remember.

Like I just posted to him. Why then does Floyd need a TUE for this IV if its as simple as what he thinks he is reading from that quote?

[Dosumpthin]

BTW - Remember that it took close to 3 weeks before Floyd requested for that Retro TUE. Maybe Floyd/USADA thought they can get away with it but then the Lab tests came back positive. So they needed a plan ... called Retro TUE. Or like I'm trying to tell you, they didn't want to take a chance. A Retro TUE was something that USADA can take care of. A positive test or something coming back to haunt them later (months later or more) would have been worse.





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This is what happens when a pact@rd attempts to process factual information.....

"The test came back positive..... so usada issued a retro tue just in case the test comes back positive..... " - ADP02

You, my imaginative friend, have gone full pact@rd.

Not only are your conspiracy theories illogical, but they are no longer bound by the laws known as space-time continuum.

I'm now convinced floyd must posses a time machine. it's the only way pact@rd logic makes sense. FACT

[Dosumpthin]

Wow, as the OP, I didn't expect so many replies...appreciate the info.

Conclusion: Floyd Mayweather used PED's.

Conclusion without facts? Interesting.

I've come to the conclusion that floyd has an identical twin brother that he uses to pass drug testing.


Maybe you're right.

[mannyman]

As a fellow OG member, i can confirm he did

someon who walks around at 147 and fights at 147 doesnt need 750ml of mystery mix fluid.

Its an absolute myth that he walks around at 147...

If he did then he would be weighing approx 130-5 on the scales.

No doubt Floyd floyd stays in shape but he prolly walks around at a comfortable 155.

[travestyny]

Lance got caught. Then had to get a retro prescription and they allowed all that which is the cover up!!! You cannot pay off everyone. So that is why it happened.

hahahahaha. So are you saying Floyd got caught? Even Hauser admits that he was wrong about that. You know why? Because USADA came before he took the IV and shadowed him until after the weigh-in when he took the IV. Hauser couldn't keep up with the lie that he was caught. He didn't get caught in something and then have to scramble to correct it. This is well documented. So your argument is that he paid off USADA, but they really couldn't help him to cheat securely? lol. I don't have to tell you how ****** that would be, do I?

Let's move on to your conspiracy theory about USADA working to help Floyd cheat.

EXAMPLE: Floyd uses an IV. USADA says nothing. Tests come back from a WADA approved Lab and find plastic residue that is found in IV plastic bags. Floyd and USADA have a problem Houston!

Jesus, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The WADA accredited labs are not USADA labs. They are completely independent labs that report directly to WADA in case of a failed drug test. Not only that, but all samples sent to them DO NOT have a name connected to them. They have no way of knowing whose sample they are testing. PLEASE DO SOME RESEARCH.

BTW - Remember that it took close to 3 weeks before Floyd requested for that Retro TUE. Maybe Floyd/USADA thought they can get away with it but then the Lab tests came back positive. So they needed a plan ... called Retro TUE. Or like I'm trying to tell you, they didn't want to take a chance. A Retro TUE was something that USADA can take care of. A positive test or something coming back to haunt them later (months later or more) would have been worse.

AHAHAHAHAH. NOW THIS **** LITERALLY MADE ME LAUGH OUT LOUD.
1. As I stated above, the WADA lab that was used would report ANY POSITIVE TEST DIRECTLY TO WADA. That's part of them being a WADA accredited lab.
2. USADA could very easily have warned Mayweather when they were coming and stayed away from the IV scene altogether. That is obviously the direction to take if they were to be in on this. They would stay away from it, not document it. HOW CAN YOU SAY THEY DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE, AND THEN MAKE UP THIS BEYOND IDIOTIC SCENARIO???? Be real, bro.

AND THE TUE WOULD NOT ALLOW MAYWEATHER TO TEST POSITIVE. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT????? AGAIN, THE TUE DOES NOT ALLOW A FIGHTER TO TEST POSITIVE WHEN IT IS FOR A PROHIBITED METHOD AND NOT A PROHIBITED SUBSTANCE. ANY POSITIVE TEST WOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY LED TO REPERCUSSIONS.

Your speculation is laughable, and you prove over and over that you have no idea what you are talking about. Keep fishing.

[ADP02]

Man, I keep on telling you ..... just like Lance Armstrong had to follow the steps. Just like Lance still got caught even though he paid off plenty of top people in high places.

Lance got caught. Then had to get a retro prescription and they allowed all that which is the cover up!!! You cannot pay off everyone. So that is why it happened.

EXAMPLE: Floyd uses an IV. USADA says nothing. Tests come back from a WADA approved Lab and find plastic residue that is found in IV plastic bags. Floyd and USADA have a problem Houston!


BTW - Remember that it took close to 3 weeks before Floyd requested for that Retro TUE. Maybe Floyd/USADA thought they can get away with it but then the Lab tests came back positive. So they needed a plan ... called Retro TUE. Or like I'm trying to tell you, they didn't want to take a chance. A Retro TUE was something that USADA can take care of. A positive test or something coming back to haunt them later (months later or more) would have been worse.


"Alberto Contador, a three-time Tour de France champion from Spain, was found guilty of doping on Monday after he tested positive in 2010 for a performance-enhancing drug. A phthalate plasticizer, typically used to soften plastic for bags or tubes, also was found in his system, which prompted allegations of an illegal blood transfusion.

Doping in the world of elite sports has grown so high-tech that officials began testing athletes like Contador not only for banned substances and illegal medical procedures, but also for trace evidence of cheating, such as the residues of IV bags.


http://www.environmentalhealthnews.o...s-doping-tests


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hahahahaha. So are you saying Floyd got caught? Even Hauser admits that he was wrong about that. You know why? Because USADA came before he took the IV and shadowed him until after the weigh-in when he took the IV. Hauser couldn't keep up with the lie that he was caught. He didn't get caught in something and then have to scramble to correct it. This is well documented. So your argument is that he paid off USADA, but they really couldn't help him to cheat securely? lol. I don't have to tell you how ****** that would be, do I?

STRIKE ONE!!! Nope, I'm not saying that.

You said that if Floyd paid off USADA then why did Floyd have to be worried and go thru the steps that he did. I'm just saying that Lance paid off people in high places as well, yet he still got caught using PEDs and it then got out Fortunately the people he paid off allowed a retro prescription and swept it under the table. So that is why all the steps still had to take place. If they didn't and it came out that Floyd used an IV and he never got USADA to help him out with that very late retro TUE. Well, without a TUE then Floyd would have been cooked and USADA would be nervous too.

Let's move on to your conspiracy theory about USADA working to help Floyd cheat.

Jesus, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The WADA accredited labs are not USADA labs. They are completely independent labs that report directly to WADA in case of a failed drug test. Not only that, but all samples sent to them DO NOT have a name connected to them. They have no way of knowing whose sample they are testing. PLEASE DO SOME RESEARCH.

STRIKE TWO!!!
What are you even talking about? Is this another deflection or you just do not understand? WOW!!! Read my post again. Its all there.

AHAHAHAHAH. NOW THIS **** LITERALLY MADE ME LAUGH OUT LOUD.
1. As I stated above, the WADA lab that was used would report ANY POSITIVE TEST DIRECTLY TO WADA. That's part of them being a WADA accredited lab.
2. USADA could very easily have warned Mayweather when they were coming and stayed away from the IV scene altogether. That is obviously the direction to take if they were to be in on this. They would stay away from it, not document it. HOW CAN YOU SAY THEY DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE, AND THEN MAKE UP THIS BEYOND IDIOTIC SCENARIO???? Be real, bro.

AND THE TUE WOULD NOT ALLOW MAYWEATHER TO TEST POSITIVE. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT????? AGAIN, THE TUE DOES NOT ALLOW A FIGHTER TO TEST POSITIVE WHEN IT IS FOR A PROHIBITED METHOD AND NOT A PROHIBITED SUBSTANCE. ANY POSITIVE TEST WOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY LED TO REPERCUSSIONS.

Your speculation is laughable, and you prove over and over that you have no idea what you are talking about. Keep fishing.

STRIKE THREE!!! YOU ARE OUT!!!

I guess you have no idea what I'm talking about. I have to make things even clearer somehow. Hmmm, I looked at my post and its all there. What's up? Why can't you get this? WOW!!!




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