You can not build up huge fights until a fighter builds himself up first

[sunny31]

Thing is, rarely has a superstar career been launched on such an embarrassing non effort. Should have been a clue for what just went down

Yeah thats true, but I don't think that is all it is with Canelo, I think one of the reasons he has an X factor is his look. He is a ginger pale Mexican and he has a very distinctive look, couple that with a crowd pleasing style and elite ability, you have something a bit unique which people are interested in. Whether he can now push on and achieve big numbers and worldwide recognition consistently will depend heavily on his ability to keep winning, the guys who stay at the top and go on to have 'mega fights' are the one's who keep winning at the highest level, and they are the guys that truly become cross-over stars. I am not convinced he can be THAT good, but time will tell.

I think the Floyd fight turned out to neither be a huge positive or negative on his career, it just 'is'. He faced one of the ATG's probably a little prematurely and got schooled.

[Larry the boss]

Ok, well then this is fair enough. We've finally got a coherent response from you. See what happens when you calm down?

Tbh, your great idol Mayweather was the master of the build up, surely you must realise this? Canelo, Ward and all the others who have followed suit, are just doing what he did because they know networks are still willing to pay them because apparently, they are "name" fighters.

Man, what I wouldn't give for the days of Hagler/Leonard/Hearn/Duran. Take Hearns winning his welterweight title for instance, less than a year later, he was fighting Leonard, who had already fought Duran twice and won a title at 154 in that time period.

Now we gotta have 18 month build ups for **** like Thurman/Porter (good fight to watch but hardly worth that long a build up).

Mayweather was fighting world champions back to back in 2 different weight classes man after moving up 3 divisions...these guys dont even wanna fight other champs in their own damn division

[boliodogs]

You need two big names to make a huge fight. Just one big name usually isn't enough for a huge fight.

[soul_survivor]

Mayweather was fighting world champions back to back in 2 different weight classes man after moving up 3 divisions...these guys dont even wanna fight other champs in their own damn division

The quality of those "champions" was at times, barely average (Ortiz, Guerrero, need I say more?) and I don't think he ever defended across 2 division back to back.

But I digress, because (As I said in another thread) these guys today make Mayweather's opp seem jaw dropping, so I kinda agree with you.

We have Ward without a world class win in the time it's taken me to finish university and with Wilder, post Stiverne, not having fought a single fighter of note (although recently that's Povs fault).

Then again, it's the fault of fans who don't demand enough.

[1hourRun]

Mayweather was fighting world champions back to back in 2 different weight classes man after moving up 3 divisions...these guys dont even wanna fight other champs in their own damn division

You must be talking about the welters well as you know...DSG just got his first title and same as Jessie Vargas so we should have reasonable expectations as far as how long we should expect unification's : in Vargas defense he is trying to unify ( right after winning his first title at welter) and Tim Bradley is with the business cant nobody tell me he wont fight these other guys...also other divisions not all are unifying and making moves -- Lebedev is unified , Kovalev is unified and fighting Ward...Baduo Jack and Degale are going to get it on...Fury just cheated Klitskco but won nevertheless -- Loma moved up and got a good win...Linares is unifying with Crolla......I mean its not that bad...really.

[soul_survivor]

You old farts make me sick -- yeah Duran was what 70-1 at the time he fought Leonard (about time he got a super fight you would think) and Sugar Ray had taken a L to Duran by the time he met Hearns ( so he was not perceived by his contemporaries as we know him to be today.) then you had Hagler who never did nothing but fight at Middleweight....speaking of middleweight it took Leonard ten years to get back in the ring to fight Marvin for the middleweight crown but really it was more due to the fact that he was old and couldnt make the 147 and Hagler was the biggest fight he could make more MONEY in. Overall you look at these oldheads records and you see two or three names on their resumes that stand out ; most of it is padded -- dont even get me started how corrupt the rankings were back in the day. Your time has passed grandpa...dont try to school me on the 'good old days'!

Duran was a career light weight who across the 1980s would win titles at welter, light middle and middle. He fought Leonard twice in the less than a year, after having had 8 fights, in some 18 months at 135+ lbs.

Leonard had already taken back his loss from Duran and won another title at 154 before moving back down to 147 to fight another atg. Today, that process could easily take 5 years.

So, what's your point again?

Btw I'm 26.

[sunny31]

The quality of those "champions" was at times, barely average (Ortiz, Guerrero, need I say more?) and I don't think he ever defended across 2 division back to back.

But I digress, because (As I said in another thread) these guys today make Mayweather's opp seem jaw dropping, so I kinda agree with you.

We have Ward without a world class win in the time it's taken me to finish university and with Wilder, post Stiverne, not having fought a single fighter of note (although recently that's Povs fault).

Then again, it's the fault of fans who don't demand enough.

Floyd fought Jose Luis Castillo in his first fight at lightweight. That is probably as tough as it gets to be fair, and than fought Corley in his first fight at 140 which was at that time a pretty stiff challenge, I would say as good as fighting a world champion, again at his first fight at a new weight. I am not a Floyd fan but fair is fair.

[1hourRun]

Duran was a career light weight who across the 1980s would win titles at welter, light middle and middle. He fought Leonard twice in the less than a year, after having had 8 fights, in some 18 months at 135+ lbs.

Leonard had already taken back his loss from Duran and won another title at 154 before moving back down to 147 to fight another atg. Today, that process could easily take 5 years.

So, what's your point again?

Btw I'm 26.

Yeah when you take horse injections ( well documented before Peds) Im not surprised he became the incredible hulk -- that might of been the same reason he had diarrhea in ' NO Mas'.

I have no point just taking shots at old timers whenever I can.

[Sadiqkingofko]

You like listing names but never seem to provide any context, what am I supposed to do, applaud you on your list making skills unibrow?

Also, I asked larryxxx...

Anyway, I was sure this had something to do with GGG, for some reason he is the next target for the "home boys" from the "hood".

What I can't figure out, what "huge fight" we're actually talking about. Canelo? The guy was lineal champion, by every fan and experts reckoning, GGG was/is the man to beat in the division, arguably the best or second best guy (depending how one may have ranked Canelo at the time).

This isn't a "huge" fight that needs a "build up", it's a common sense match up that should have happened already. Or GGG v Cotto. Did Khan deserve a shot at the lineal middleweight title over GGG? Or did Geale when Cotto was champ? Is that the type of build up we want these days?

Also, why is Stevenson mentioned? Or Wilder? Or LSC?

No reason to get your panties in a twist, Stevenson is mentoined cause his last notable oppenent Fonfara in 2014, Wilder because he defended his title against the likes of Molina and Duhapas, and LSC other than Mares who has he fought in recent times. Golovkin is mentonied cause he hasn't fought any b or a class fighters

[boxinghead530]

I don't need huge fights ala pacquiao/Mayweather.

I just want the best fighters fighting the best.