You can not build up huge fights until a fighter builds himself up first

[al-Xander]

Are you referring to Spence, with his recent announcement he wants a Canelo shot?

[sicko]

What I mean is that the fight is as hot as it's going to be and further marinating will cause the fight to not be as exciting as it could have been. But i guess that's Canelo's plan, wait until GGG starts to slip.

Not really, the problem is that GGG is Older so it is no time to wait and let it marinate on his side but I don't think this fight is at its Peak Yet because again Casuals still not very familiar with either. The reason why most want it now is because GGG is Older.

[elgu]

Not really, the problem is that GGG is Older so it is no time to wait and let it marinate on his size but I don't think this fight is at its Peak Yet because again Casuals still not very familiar with either. The reason why most want it now is because GGG is Older.

So you think fights should happen when the fight is big and not when the fighters are prime?

[sunny31]

I think you need an angle to get into the mainstream to be honest. If you take Floyd as an example he was out in the wilderness for a long time, he had fought lots of tough fights and fighters and was p4p for a long time before he actually broke into the mainstream. He needed the Gatti fight to bring him stardom, and remember he was the B-side in that fight even though he was top 2-3 p4p, but you knew after that fight his star power had gone up significantly, he had become a ppv fighter finally after into his THIRD weight division.

He treaded water for a while and kept it at that level until the Oscar fight, which truly turned him into a crossover star. That put him on the map for good, and his continuous ability to pull out the W and the cold war with Pacquiao brought them both lots of money.

So yes in a sense you are correct, you need those hard tests and need to do it for a while before people really get in board. But then to really elevate to a bonafide ppv fighter you need an angle or X factor, Mike Tyson had it, Oscar had it, others had to work a little harder for it, like Manny and Floyd. Canelo has it, but then the Floyd fight did help people become aware of him, he had that opportunity and platform. It does help if the star from a previous generation passes the baton to the next guy, kind of like Chavez with Oscar, and Oscar with Floyd and Manny.

[HeroBando]

I think you need an angle to get into the mainstream to be honest. If you take Floyd as an example he was out in the wilderness for a long time, he had fought lots of tough fights and fighters and was p4p for a long time before he actually broke into the mainstream. He needed the Gatti fight to bring him stardom, and remember he was the B-side in that fight even though he was top 2-3 p4p, but you knew after that fight his star power had gone up significantly, he had become a ppv fighter finally after into his THIRD weight division.

He treaded water for a while and kept it at that level until the Oscar fight, which truly turned him into a crossover star. That put him on the map for good, and his continuous ability to pull out the W and the cold war with Pacquiao brought them both lots of money.

So yes in a sense you are correct, you need those hard tests and need to do it for a while before people really get in board. But then to really elevate to a bonafide ppv fighter you need an angle or X factor, Mike Tyson had it, Oscar had it, others had to work a little harder for it, like Manny and Floyd. Canelo has it, but then the Floyd fight did help people become aware of him, he had that opportunity and platform. It does help if the star from a previous generation passes the baton to the next guy, kind of like Chavez with Oscar, and Oscar with Floyd and Manny.

Thing is, rarely has a superstar career been launched on such an embarrassing non effort. Should have been a clue for what just went down

[soul_survivor]

Dude damn, im saying the best fighters are not fighting the other best fighters and instead was to "build it up" by fighting **** fights..how hard is that to understand??? it isnt about certain fighters but the entire damn landscape of boxing

Ok, well then this is fair enough. We've finally got a coherent response from you. See what happens when you calm down?

Tbh, your great idol Mayweather was the master of the build up, surely you must realise this? Canelo, Ward and all the others who have followed suit, are just doing what he did because they know networks are still willing to pay them because apparently, they are "name" fighters.

Man, what I wouldn't give for the days of Hagler/Leonard/Hearn/Duran. Take Hearns winning his welterweight title for instance, less than a year later, he was fighting Leonard, who had already fought Duran twice and won a title at 154 in that time period.

Now we gotta have 18 month build ups for **** like Thurman/Porter (good fight to watch but hardly worth that long a build up).

[1hourRun]

What I was saying is there's no more big fights left comparable to fighting Pac or May in the division Garcia and others are in. They have no choice but to fight each other. Fights that are not as big as boxing superbowls.

This TS must be referring to a Canelo fight. Or Cotto. No one even comes close.

Understood - but to be fair to the current welters it took Floyd and Manny over a decade to build their resumes -- you just dont create fights like these.

[sicko]

So you think fights should happen when the fight is big and not when the fighters are prime?

NO, they have no choice but to do it within the next year or so because GGG is Older. So yeah doing it now make all the sense in the world but I don't think it will ever be as big as it could be because it is just not enough time to let him Simmer a bit.

People can cry all the way about Mayweather vs Pacquiao taking so long but they made a TON OF MONEY and that event Shattered Every Record In Boxing History!

[Larry the boss]

Are you referring to Spence, with his recent announcement he wants a Canelo shot?

Why would i be referring to a prospect?

[1hourRun]

Ok, well then this is fair enough. We've finally got a coherent response from you. See what happens when you calm down?

Tbh, your great idol Mayweather was the master of the build up, surely you must realise this? Canelo, Ward and all the others who have followed suit, are just doing what he did because they know networks are still willing to pay them because apparently, they are "name" fighters.

Man, what I wouldn't give for the days of Hagler/Leonard/Hearn/Duran. Take Hearns winning his welterweight title for instance, less than a year later, he was fighting Leonard, who had already fought Duran twice and won a title at 154 in that time period.

Now we gotta have 18 month build ups for **** like Thurman/Porter (good fight to watch but hardly worth that long a build up).

You old farts make me sick -- yeah Duran was what 70-1 at the time he fought Leonard (about time he got a super fight you would think) and Sugar Ray had taken a L to Duran by the time he met Hearns ( so he was not perceived by his contemporaries as we know him to be today.) then you had Hagler who never did nothing but fight at Middleweight....speaking of middleweight it took Leonard ten years to get back in the ring to fight Marvin for the middleweight crown but really it was more due to the fact that he was old and couldnt make the 147 and Hagler was the biggest fight he could make more MONEY in. Overall you look at these oldheads records and you see two or three names on their resumes that stand out ; most of it is padded -- dont even get me started how corrupt the rankings were back in the day. Your time has passed grandpa...dont try to school me on the 'good old days'!