Comments Thread For: WBC Prez: Decision on Povetkin, Wilder Shot Coming Next Week

[_Maxi]

Links samwise?!

This talks about drugs in general http://www.able.org/studies/detox/drug_storage.pdf

Drugs that can be stored in fat (like Meldonium) can be released into urine/blood system many months later after use.

WADA says their latest studies show Meldonium take longer than expected to clean.

When you do an urine/blood test you are not able to test what's actually stored in the fat.

The overall "Meldonium" scandal needs people to think with objetiveness. I think the boxing community or sports community in general are not prepared to treat these cases as they should in order to understand the whole situation.

[Lester Tutor]

This talks about drugs in general http://www.able.org/studies/detox/drug_storage.pdf

Drugs that can be stored in fat (like Meldonium) can be released into urine/blood system many months later after use.

WADA says their latest studies show Meldonium take longer than expected to clean.

When you do an urine/blood test you are not able to test what's actually stored in the fat.

The overall "Meldonium" scandal needs people to think with objetiveness. I think the boxing community or sports community in general are not prepared to treat these cases as they should in order to understand the whole situation.

Wilder vs Povetkin is a legitimate reason to write a story regarding Meldonium. Waiting for which writer to have the balls to ask Margaret Goodman (CEO of VADA) her take regarding the tests so that everyone, not just the WBC, can understand what really happened. Favoritism to dodge the fight, which side, if nothing were wrong.

If nothing is truly wrong, then the mando is still in effect and just rescheduled. However, if Povetkin suffers from this fiasco, then one would assume VADA's advisory is realistic and expected.

Fan theories won't influence reality from anti-doping protocols, assuming VADA, which HBO swears by publicly, truly contributes to boxing as official WADA followship.

[_Maxi]

Wilder vs Povetkin is a legitimate reason to write a story regarding Meldonium. Waiting for which writer to have the balls to ask Margaret Goodman (CEO of VADA) her take regarding the tests so that everyone, not just the WBC, can understand what really happened. Favoritism to dodge the fight, which side, if nothing were wrong.

If nothing is truly wrong, then the mando is still in effect and just rescheduled. However, if Povetkin suffers from this fiasco, then one would assume VADA's advisory is realistic and expected.

Fan theories won't influence reality from anti-doping protocols, assuming VADA, which HBO swears by publicly, truly contributes to boxing as official WADA followship.

Yes, I think we need to wait more, but the latest document placed Povetkin in the group of athletes that will be declared clean unless there's another evidence that shows use after Jan 1st. Here is when the "clean tests then not clean test" is going to be used by Wilder's team but I don't think it's evidence. The amount found is too small and I believe Povetkin would've been very idiot to use the most famous banned substance of the last 10 years involving the Sharapova case. Plus, those that have been caught had hundrers and thousands of times the amount that Povetkin had.

But that's my opinion, I think he is clean and will be declared clean. Wilder opened his mouth too much about it before there was any conclusion. Because in the first place when Meldonium was detected, Povetkin was already in the group of those that would be probably marked as clean.

[sicko]

I wouldn't be shocked if Wilder Drops that Belt! Just Saying!

[Pigeons]

Regardless of the ruling, this fight won't happen IMO. Wilder will turn his attention to the Fury/Klitschko winner, Joshua, and maybe Haye.

[Lester Tutor]

Yes, I think we need to wait more, but the latest document placed Povetkin in the group of athletes that will be declared clean unless there's another evidence that shows use after Jan 1st. Here is when the "clean tests then not clean test" is going to be used by Wilder's team but I don't think it's evidence. The amount found is too small and I believe Povetkin would've been very idiot to use the most famous banned substance of the last 10 years involving the Sharapova case. Plus, those that have been caught had hundrers and thousands of times the amount that Povetkin had.

But that's my opinion, I think he is clean and will be declared clean. Wilder opened his mouth too much about it before there was any conclusion. Because in the first place when Meldonium was detected, Povetkin was already in the group of those that would be probably marked as clean.

Well WADA would have to acknowledge a common showing of Meldonium spikes from alot of athletes with the same type of circumstances before the ban to make reasonable conclusions that a random "4th" sample shouldn't or could have an irregular rate. Meldonium is a synthetic drug. The body doesn't produce it. Meldonium stored in fat is what accredited? From a Russian medical publication? Lol

[_Maxi]

Well WADA would have to acknowledge a common showing of Meldonium spikes from alot of athletes with the same type of circumstances before the ban to make reasonable conclusions that a random "4th" sample shouldn't or could have an irregular rate. Meldonium is a synthetic drug. The body doesn't produce it. Meldonium stored in fat is what accredited? From a Russian medical publication? Lol

Do you know in which part of the body is Meldonium stored?

src: http://www.narconon.org/drug-educati...stem-body.html

How long do drugs stay in your system?
Drugs stay in the body for only a short time. True or false?

Once again that is false.

Most drugs are what are call fat soluble substances. In other words, they mix with fat.

If you took, let’s say frozen orange juice and mixed it with water, you stirred it enough, it would go into a mixture. That’s because that orange juice is a water soluble substance.

Most drugs, let’s take THC, tetrahydrocannabinol in marijuana. THC is a very, very, very fat soluble substance as is LSD, heroin, many, many other drugs.

So if you tried to dump that substance in water, you could stir until your hand fell off, and it will never ever mix. It always separates or floats to the surface of the water.

So this is what happens when a person ingest the drug. No matter how it taken. If it’s smoked, if it’s injected, if it’s swallowed in a pill form, it doesn’t matter. It always ends up in the person blood stream.

So watch what happens. There’s the person’s blood stream. Here’s the fat tissue, which is butted right up against the person’s blood stream. And here comes the drug. As the drug moves through the person’s blood stream, because the fat tissue is so close, that fat tends to draw that drug into it almost like a magnet. Little tiny drug residues. Little dark bits and pieces of that drug just start lodging or sticking more and more and more in the fatty tissue of the body until after a while, honestly, this guys kind of like a walking drug store. He’s got all these drugs that are stuck inside his body.

Well first of all who cares? Big deal. Why is that even important?

Well for one thing, as I mentioned earlier, the nutrients are burnt up. When this is circulating in a person’s body, he has almost a continual destruction of nutrients in his body. So he has to eat better, he has to try to take vitamins, anything to keep his health up.

But even more important than that, especially to us at Narconon, is this; How long does this stuff actually stay inside a person’s body?

Very quick story if I may. I was addicted to drugs myself personally for about 16 years. I started smoking marijuana, drinking alcohol, taking pills, speed, amphetamines in college. Begin to take LSD, many other drugs, ended up very heavily addicted to ******* and alcohol.

In 1977 I entered the Narconon program and at that point and time, for us, it was just a healthy regiment. Lot’s of vitamins, minerals, exercise, stuff like that and then life skills so we could re-orientate to our new lives drug-free. At that time they did not have a program which we currently have called the, Sauna Sweat Out Program. I did what was called the, LSD Sweat Out Program where you had to actually go out and you had to run 4-6 miles a day. Eat fresh vegetables, vitamins, the whole idea was to little-by-little purge these drugs from your system.

Well I did that program every single day. 4-6 miles a day, running, drinking lots of fresh water, lots of vitamins, lots of vegetables, on and on and on. 14 months later I felt great. About 6 months later the executive director called me into her office and she said, “Have a seat.” I said, “Sure. What’s the deal Patty?” She said, “Well Bob, we have a new program.” I said, “Well, what is it?” She kind of laughed when she said this. She said, “Well it’s actually designed to flush all of the old drugs out of your body.” I said, “O, wo, wo, wo, wait a minute. I already did that.” She said, “Yea, yea I know, but this is sort of like the new and improved and besides you’re a counselor now so we think you should do it.” I said, “Agh what the hell, I’ll do it.”

At any rate, I started that program. On the third day I was in the sauna reading my newspaper. All of a sudden I started feeling kind of weird. I looked over at my partner and my partner melted. The next thing I know, there’s purple frogs, pink mushrooms, stuff, I’m seeing stuff that’s not there everywhere. I walk out of the sauna. I sit down. I get a glass of spring water and the counselor comes over and says, “What happened?” And I told him, “I was in the middle of an LSD trip.” This trip lasted 45 minutes. That particular thing happened to me 7 times out of 31 days on the program. *******, marijuana, many, many other drugs flushed out of my body as I done this. I had been drug-free for 3 1⁄2 years and the stuff was pouring out of my body.

Anyway, how long it does stay depends on the person, depends on their body, but it stays much, much, much longer then people think.

We’ve given you a lot of negative information on drugs here, but what can you do about it?

Well I know the Narconon program definitely saved my life. Not only saved my life, but created a whole new life where I can go out, I can have fun, I can live life to the fullest and basically I’d like other people to have that also.

So if you know someone who has a drug problem, family member, friend, anyone at all, contact us, www.narconon.org.

[MaksBox]

I wouldn't be shocked if Wilder Drops that Belt! Just Saying!

I was just going to post this.

I think Wilder will drop the belt under the pretense that he does not want to fight someone who tested positive, no matter what VADA/WADA/WBC say and that "the fans" want him to try to make a fight with Joshua or Fury....

.... and while he fights other bums.

[MaksBox]

Do you know in which part of the body is Meldonium stored?

src: http://www.narconon.org/drug-educati...stem-body.html

How long do drugs stay in your system?
Drugs stay in the body for only a short time. True or false?

Once again that is false.

Most drugs are what are call fat soluble substances. In other words, they mix with fat.

If you took, let’s say frozen orange juice and mixed it with water, you stirred it enough, it would go into a mixture. That’s because that orange juice is a water soluble substance.

Most drugs, let’s take THC, tetrahydrocannabinol in marijuana. THC is a very, very, very fat soluble substance as is LSD, heroin, many, many other drugs.

So if you tried to dump that substance in water, you could stir until your hand fell off, and it will never ever mix. It always separates or floats to the surface of the water.

So this is what happens when a person ingest the drug. No matter how it taken. If it’s smoked, if it’s injected, if it’s swallowed in a pill form, it doesn’t matter. It always ends up in the person blood stream.

So watch what happens. There’s the person’s blood stream. Here’s the fat tissue, which is butted right up against the person’s blood stream. And here comes the drug. As the drug moves through the person’s blood stream, because the fat tissue is so close, that fat tends to draw that drug into it almost like a magnet. Little tiny drug residues. Little dark bits and pieces of that drug just start lodging or sticking more and more and more in the fatty tissue of the body until after a while, honestly, this guys kind of like a walking drug store. He’s got all these drugs that are stuck inside his body.

Well first of all who cares? Big deal. Why is that even important?

Well for one thing, as I mentioned earlier, the nutrients are burnt up. When this is circulating in a person’s body, he has almost a continual destruction of nutrients in his body. So he has to eat better, he has to try to take vitamins, anything to keep his health up.

But even more important than that, especially to us at Narconon, is this; How long does this stuff actually stay inside a person’s body?

Very quick story if I may. I was addicted to drugs myself personally for about 16 years. I started smoking marijuana, drinking alcohol, taking pills, speed, amphetamines in college. Begin to take LSD, many other drugs, ended up very heavily addicted to ******* and alcohol.

In 1977 I entered the Narconon program and at that point and time, for us, it was just a healthy regiment. Lot’s of vitamins, minerals, exercise, stuff like that and then life skills so we could re-orientate to our new lives drug-free. At that time they did not have a program which we currently have called the, Sauna Sweat Out Program. I did what was called the, LSD Sweat Out Program where you had to actually go out and you had to run 4-6 miles a day. Eat fresh vegetables, vitamins, the whole idea was to little-by-little purge these drugs from your system.

Well I did that program every single day. 4-6 miles a day, running, drinking lots of fresh water, lots of vitamins, lots of vegetables, on and on and on. 14 months later I felt great. About 6 months later the executive director called me into her office and she said, “Have a seat.” I said, “Sure. What’s the deal Patty?” She said, “Well Bob, we have a new program.” I said, “Well, what is it?” She kind of laughed when she said this. She said, “Well it’s actually designed to flush all of the old drugs out of your body.” I said, “O, wo, wo, wo, wait a minute. I already did that.” She said, “Yea, yea I know, but this is sort of like the new and improved and besides you’re a counselor now so we think you should do it.” I said, “Agh what the hell, I’ll do it.”

At any rate, I started that program. On the third day I was in the sauna reading my newspaper. All of a sudden I started feeling kind of weird. I looked over at my partner and my partner melted. The next thing I know, there’s purple frogs, pink mushrooms, stuff, I’m seeing stuff that’s not there everywhere. I walk out of the sauna. I sit down. I get a glass of spring water and the counselor comes over and says, “What happened?” And I told him, “I was in the middle of an LSD trip.” This trip lasted 45 minutes. That particular thing happened to me 7 times out of 31 days on the program. *******, marijuana, many, many other drugs flushed out of my body as I done this. I had been drug-free for 3 1⁄2 years and the stuff was pouring out of my body.

Anyway, how long it does stay depends on the person, depends on their body, but it stays much, much, much longer then people think.

We’ve given you a lot of negative information on drugs here, but what can you do about it?

Well I know the Narconon program definitely saved my life. Not only saved my life, but created a whole new life where I can go out, I can have fun, I can live life to the fullest and basically I’d like other people to have that also.

So if you know someone who has a drug problem, family member, friend, anyone at all, contact us, www.narconon.org.

Stop feeding the fools with logic. They will always try to come up with something else.

[Lester Tutor]

Do you know in which part of the body is Meldonium stored?

src: http://www.narconon.org/drug-educati...stem-body.html

THC is a PED?

Now you're just being lazy fabricating "drugs" and generalizing.