Has there ever been a P4P entrant who has fought the worst opposition for 4 years?

[therealpugilist]

How can he fight an injured fighter?

how can you get credit for fights that don't happen? people try give it too though

[soul_survivor]

thought this was gonna be a thread about GGG lol

i love how people give credit to ward for things that happened half a decade ago and things that hasn't happened yet lol

Exactly.

It's the Mayweather syndrome all over again, except Mayweather fought better opposition more regularly.

The arguments I've been seeing is, "Yeah, he should be p4p, he beat Froch half a decade ago"...whcih obviously means he has a life time supply of p4p credit

[therealpugilist]

Inactivity and poor opponents should be enough to have someone taken off the list.

Not to mentioned he refused to fight Bute when the fight meant something and purposefully took time off, no one forced him to.

It shouldn't take 4 years for a supposed p4p fighter to fight a world level opponents. That's the bottom line. Yall can try and twist it however you like.

But, if he does beat Kovalev, which I feel he can in a close, ugly contest, then all credit to him and he gets put back in the top 10.

if thats the case GGG should NOT be on it at all...its been over a decade in his career and he has not defeated anyone elite...PERIOD



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[j0zef]

P4P ranking is not based only on resume. It's skills and resume. Trying to judge only last 4 years because it's convenient is not fair to the fighter. Ward should still be getting partial credit for Kessler and Froch. Those accomplishments, added to the skills he still displays are enough to put him into Top5 for me.

[soul_survivor]

if thats the case GGG should NOT be on it at all...its been over a decade in his career and he has not defeated anyone elite...PERIOD



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Well, that's your argument. If you can honestly post that GGG should not be a consensus p4p entrant, than neither should Ward, right?

However, that is not my argument.

Ward HAS BEEN on most p4p lists over the last 4 years. I say, fair enough, so name me any other fighter in boxing history to have been on a p4p list for 4 years having faced the quality of opp such as Rodri, Smith and Barrera.

The answer I received was GGG...yet all those guys, specifically RedFoXx backed off and changed their statements when I educated them on who Smith and Barrera are.

So the question is still open...who else is there?

[soul_survivor]

P4P ranking is not based only on resume. It's skills and resume. Trying to judge only last 4 years because it's convenient is not fair to the fighter. Ward should still be getting partial credit for Kessler and Froch. Those accomplishments, added to the skills he still displays are enough to put him into Top5 for me.

But why should Ward be p4p over a period of 4 years when he has faced no names? Not to mention spending years out of the ring.

Donaire should still be p4p on that basis then, right? Or Leonard should still have been p4p no. 1 in 87, right?

If we're talking strictly skills, what world level skills did he portray against Smith and Barrera? We all saw Smith get hammered by British domestic fighters, worse than anything Ward did to him...at a weight division Smith was never even relevant at AND at an age where he is a minimum of 3-4 years past his best.

Against a limited Barrera, he was caught time and time agin. Won comfortably on my card but again, didn't show anything that made me go "oh damn, he is top draw".

However, that does not mean Ward should never be p4p again, if he beats Kovalev, he most definitely should.

So it brings me back to my question: who has been on a p4p list for 4 years and had worse op? The answer is no one in boxing history, right?

[therealpugilist]

P4P ranking is not based only on resume. It's skills and resume. Trying to judge only last 4 years because it's convenient is not fair to the fighter. Ward should still be getting partial credit for Kessler and Froch. Those accomplishments, added to the skills he still displays are enough to put him into Top5 for me.

^^^Me too....its not like the guys disappeared for a decade like george foreman


He was actually of the list a while until he fought Smith.....Judging by his performances vs Smith and Barrera. even with the inactivity he is still one of the best in the world

His ability to catch and shoot, know when to roll, slip, block or duck shots is sweet to watch

look at his resume and this highlight and its easy to see he is one of the best fighters in the world

outside of Kov or maybe Stevenson, no one would favor anyone at 168-175 if they had to put money on it. that says a lot.





he transitions from offense and defense seemlessly and is always in a position to defend and attack



Barrera tried, has heart but the difference in skills was evident..their was times he made him miss 4-5 shots in row counter and do it again

[therealpugilist]

Well, that's your argument. If you can honestly post that GGG should not be a consensus p4p entrant, than neither should Ward, right?

However, that is not my argument.

Ward HAS BEEN on most p4p lists over the last 4 years. I say, fair enough, so name me any other fighter in boxing history to have been on a p4p list for 4 years having faced the quality of opp such as Rodri, Smith and Barrera.

The answer I received was GGG...yet all those guys, specifically RedFoXx backed off and changed their statements when I educated them on who Smith and Barrera are.

So the question is still open...who else is there?

ward won all his titles in the ring...has wins over elite opponents....was the man at 168 and proved it in the ring...two totally different scenarios bro...stop reaching

big difference

[j0zef]

But why should Ward be p4p over a period of 4 years when he has faced no names? Not to mention spending years out of the ring.

Donaire should still be p4p on that basis then, right? Or Leonard should still have been p4p no. 1 in 87, right?

If we're talking strictly skills, what world level skills did he portray against Smith and Barrera? We all saw Smith get hammered by British domestic fighters, worse than anything Ward did to him...at a weight division Smith was never even relevant at AND at an age where he is a minimum of 3-4 years past his best.

Against a limited Barrera, he was caught time and time agin. Won comfortably on my card but again, didn't show anything that made me go "oh damn, he is top draw".

However, that does not mean Ward should never be p4p again, if he beats Kovalev, he most definitely should.

So it brings me back to my question: who has been on a p4p list for 4 years and had worse op? The answer is no one in boxing history, right?

Why would Donaire be on a P4P list? He lost to Walters and Rigo, 2 guys who are on the P4P list or right outside.

Why should Ward be off the P4P list? My argument is that while his accomplishments at the S6 were not yesterday, they were not a decade ago either. I'm not saying he should be #1 P4P fighter. But he definitely still deserves partial credit for those wins.

As for the skills he displayed, you're wrong. Smith did not get hammered by domestic level fighters. AA failed to stop Smith twice, while Ward, despite being featherfisted, was able to cut him enough to cause the stoppage. That is called skills. If you somehow still hold the Groves loss against Paul Smith, that's also incorrect. George Groves encountered some confidence issues the last few years, but he was and still is an excellent, excellent fighter. This is the same George Groves who was the first guy to drop Carl Froch, and the same guy who was beating Carl Froch on the cards in both fights before suffering a highlight reel KO.

Against Barrera, his opponent connected on something like 15% of his shots. That's absolutely elite. He did get marked up badly by Barrera's jabs, but his overall defense was still elite. He also caught his much bigger foe off balance and dropped him - that shows elite offensive skills, despite being feather fisted.


Please keep in mind that I'm far from a Ward fan. I hate the guy, but trying to argue that he's not a P4P fighter is not something I can agree with.

[New England]

In other Words: You stay highly ranked if you have tried to make a couple of fights and if you sign to fight a high ranked fighter. LOL!

p4p fighters coming off of a hiatus make their way back to the p4p list all the time. floyd was top 2 on most lists after a long layoff [retirement] when he came back and fought marquez, an aging lightweight.


but let me guess, you're not still butthurt about your blue eyed, danish hero being embarassed by our andre, the best fighter at the weight of his generation?