Comments Thread For: SHO's Espinoza: Canelo-GGG in "Fall 2017" Was To Stop Bleeding

[THC]

Trinidad fought guys he had no business fighting (b hop and Roy jones) but did so because he wasn't scared and wanted the glory and give what the fans wanted. He lost but I don't think no one here doesn't respect Trinidad.

Point is canelo should fight ggg. He's the same size. Both at primes and everyone is clamoring for it. Id respect him and continue to be his fan if he fights ggg win loss or draw as long as he gives it his all. Obviously it's not his intention. Thus I'm no longer a fan.

This is why Tito is a future H of F inductee. He gave fans the fights they wanted; and beyond that, made them exciting events, whatever the outcome.

Alvarez is not a draw like Floyd who generally fought bigger men. Fans aren't ****** enough to continue paying for mismatches against smaller opposition on PPV. Eventually Canelo will have to fight a guy his size with great skills. Right now, he's chosen to delay (but I suspect avoid altogether) the inevitable GGG beatdown because he feels he can take the hit on his reputation and still make good money. But there's a difference between quitting in the ring and not getting in the ring at all.

I feel he has stained Mexico's boxing legacy with this Canard.

[b00g13man]

Don't forget...it was about the belt, guys. Wasn't about big money or anything like that, GGG wanted the belt because his main goal was to unify. So now what?

It was so obvious that money was the motivation.

[aboutfkntime]

It's all a big mistake everyone thinks Canelo invited GGG in the ring to say Mexicans don't F around he meant to say they duck around. He is following Floyd blue print lowest risk highest reward. Will fans fall for it again of all the good fighters out there Ppv vs smith don't buy it then they have to give real fights like Thurman Porter

Anyone who understands the game should be aware that boxing has ALWAYS worked that way.

A fighters purse used to be the total sum of the bet placed between the two participants.

Before financiers/backers, who eventually evolved into modern-day promoters, fighters used to bet THEIR OWN MONEY, so you can bet your life that it was all about risk/reward..... wealthy fighters made the biggest fights, but they only became wealthy because they were successful..... and because nobody could be trusted, the purse (the bet between the combatants) would be tied to a stake and hoisted up next to the ring, so that both fighters could always see the money.

Hence the poker-term " stake-money ".

And yet, somehow you managed to blame Mayweather for all that LMAO, which kinda tells me where you're coming from.

Funnily enough - and I have been following this sport for more than 30 years - 2 celebrated fighters who were most subject to risk/reward decisions are clearly Pacquiao and Golovkin.

I know exactly why Pac refused to fight the #1 ranked Mosley who had just KTFO Margarito TWICE, but had no problem fighting him when it became obvious that he was shot..... and I know exactly why Pac refused to rematch his #1 option Cotto at 150, despite having beaten him previously and despite Cotto being his best available payday.

Don't know how anyone who was paying attention could see it any different.

Put it this way, after saying this for FOUR YEARS..... "I can beat anyone from 154-168"..... why do you think that Golovkin demanded 164 for Ward, and 160 for Canelo, and then WALKED AWAY when they did not meet his demands?

Tell me why YOU think Golovkin walked away from that huge payday and that desperately needed exposure instead of negotiating with Canelo, especially after talking all that 154-168 crap?

[aboutfkntime]

155 is closer to 154 than it is to 160 so it aint like he had to go on a diet. When they delayed the fight after he beat Cotto you should've been su****ious. When they choose Khan as an opponent you should've known he wasn't fighting GGG next. During the lead up to the Khan fight he wouldn't commit to fight his mandatory. How much more evidence did you need? That's why I said your aren't astute.

That was CLEARLY obvious !!

And it was obvious to Team Bull**** as well, so I wonder why they refused to negotiate on the weight with Canelo, especially after talking all that "anyone from 154-168" crap?

They are about as confident of beating Canelo at 155 as they were of beating Ward at 168.

[Motorcity Cobra]

That was CLEARLY obvious !!

And it was obvious to Team Bull**** as well, so I wonder why they refused to negotiate on the weight with Canelo, especially after talking all that "anyone from 154-168" crap?

They are about as confident of beating Canelo at 155 as they were of beating Ward at 168.

Sanchez just said it again, 154-168. They should go to 154 and earn shot at Canelo if they want to fight him. Otherwise they need to stop calling out super welterweights.

[HeroBando]

155 is closer to 154 than it is to 160 so it aint like he had to go on a diet. When they delayed the fight after he beat Cotto you should've been su****ious. When they choose Khan as an opponent you should've known he wasn't fighting GGG next. During the lead up to the Khan fight he wouldn't commit to fight his mandatory. How much more evidence did you need? That's why I said your aren't astute.

Many posters thought it was going down in Sept at 156-157 say (though Canelo said ready for 160), cause proud warrior Canelo has been known to override his promoter for risky fights. And many thought it wasn't but that Canelo would find a way to avoid a most humiliating forfeit. The most common prediction was lil G was gonna take another step aside, of course.

[bigdunny1]

This is why Tito is a future H of F inductee. He gave fans the fights they wanted; and beyond that, made them exciting events, whatever the outcome.

Alvarez is not a draw like Floyd who generally fought bigger men. Fans aren't ****** enough to continue paying for mismatches against smaller opposition on PPV. Eventually Canelo will have to fight a guy his size with great skills. Right now, he's chosen to delay (but I suspect avoid altogether) the inevitable GGG beatdown because he feels he can take the hit on his reputation and still make good money. But there's a difference between quitting in the ring and not getting in the ring at all.

I feel he has stained Mexico's boxing legacy with this Canard.

How old was Trinidad when he finally moved up in weight like you are demanding canelo what 28 or 29? Canelo is only 25 yet idiots have double standard for expectations. GGG is 34 and refuses to go up and fight bigger men in another weight class. And Trinidad? Look what Canelo has already done at age 25 and compare to Trinidad who largely beat up a ton of bums at this same stage at ww while he held the most garbage belt at the time hiding from the true ww champ Whitaker who he wanted no parts of ducked for about half a decade when he was the #1 p4p fighter in the world. He waited till Whitaker was old and already beat by Oscar before he fought him. idiots are mad that canelo who fought everybody at 154 ducked no one at that weight and a much better list of wins at this stage then Trinidad had. Go look up the stretch of bums Trinidad fought from 95-99' including 20 loss Pendelton. Some of you clowns make me laugh. At the same stage of his career as Trinidad canelo has already taken more risks and has bigger wins and achievements. You are mocking canelo for doing something trinidad didn't do till his late 20s and something GGG flat out has never done period at 34. LMAO

[HeroBando]

Sanchez just said it again, 154-168. They should go to 154 and earn shot at Canelo if they want to fight him. Otherwise they need to stop calling out super welterweights.

He said he believes Ggg stops them all, not that he'll go to 154 and 168 for just anyone. They're not even calling out disgraced Canelo. They had their negotiations, were told fall 2017 at best, moving on. Btw Canelo hasn't declared he's moving down, thats why he's laughably still rated as The MW Champ most everywhere. In fact they said they'll work their way to 160. But as of yet, he hasn't made 154 in about 3 years.

[Motorcity Cobra]

He said he believes Ggg stops them all, not that he'll go to 154 and 168 for just anyone. They're not even calling out disgraced Canelo. They had their negotiations, were told fall 2017 at best, moving on. Btw Canelo hasn't declared he's moving down, thats why he's laughably still rated as The MW Champ most everywhere. In fact they said they'll work their way to 160. But as of yet, he hasn't made 154 in about 3 years.

That's why I said it's ****** for GGG fans to keep calling out Canelo. He wanted the belt, he got it. Canelo moved back down. The fight is over. If/When Canelo moves to middleweight then it's time to talk about it.

[bigdunny1]

Tito jumped up and fought bhop when he was like 30. And only fought Roy for a cash grab when both were old and washed up at the end of his career. Do you fools even know what you talking about. Canelo is only 25! Why the hell does he need to move up and fight GGG at his weight now when he has never fought at 160 and fought all his relevant fights at 154 or 155 against other Jr middleweights? When he can still make 154? And he is the A side and GGG has refused to move up or down in weight his entire career? And would rather beg Jr middleweights and welterweights to fight him then go up in weight his damn self and fight bigger men? He's 34, canelo is 25 he has nothing but time on his side before he has to move up.