Comments Thread For: Froch: Golovkin Rejected Terms, I'd Walk Through DeGale in 5 or 6

[aboutfkntime]

Oh, you mean a guy who never moved up?

Seriously, what was the point of that dumb post ?

What are you saying, that Froch is a bum because he never moved up, but Golovkin isn't?

Plenty of great fighters only ever fought in 1 division.

Golovkin is not great, just saying.....

Froch > Golovkin, in every department..... and he had the balls to back up his big mouth and fight Ward, unlike someone else we know LMAO

[robertzimmerman]

go fk yourself

you can't even be honest about this.....

" Golovkin is willing to fight any man from 154 to 168..... "
" Golovkin Would Fight Ward at 168 and Canelo at 154....."


I am not interested in having an " objective ", but dishonest, debate with you..... it is clearly obvious what Team Golovkin were insinuating.

I don't have an ounce of respect for a grown man who doesn't object to being lied to.

What can't I be honest about?

Again, I know what he said.

I understand the frustration, and I understand why people have an issue with his claims.

But if they're ****** enough to literally hang on to every word without allowing for any circumstances, then as far as I'm concerned, they're idiots.

Anyone with any intelligence knows that they were talking about making sacrifices for a big fight if the timing was right.

Only an absolute moron would criticise him for not agreeing to drop to 155 for Canelo, even though he'd said anybody from 154-168.

Why? Again, because of the circumstances.

Going to 154 for a one off fight against the likes of Floyd, is not the same as being forced to defend his 2 MW belts at a CW, DESPITE WHAT HE SAID.

I can post you a link from 2009, where Virgil Hunter said:

"At 32 years of age, Andre Ward will be a HW champion"

If you've followed boxing for a long time, you'd know that fighters and trainers make all sorts of claims.

It's the nature of the business.

Also, if again, you've followed boxing for a long time, you'd realise the position that Oscar De La Hoya is in, and you'd know exactly the reasons why he DOESN'T want Canelo to fight GG until next year. If you seriously think that that fight isn't happening yet because of GG's refusal to drop to 155, then you are absolutely clueless. It has nothing to do with weight. Canelo is Oscar's golden egg.

[robertzimmerman]

I couldn't give a stuff if he stays at 160, never even mentioned it..... you have completely missed the point, AGAIN.

And I don't believe you have much respect/understanding for the sport.

And honestly, you continually mentioning "he small doe"..... you don't even seem to realize how ridiculous that sounds.

That post was basically a long-winded way to express your love for GGG.

We will agree to disagree, let's leave it there.

You're telling me that I've missed the point yet are claiming that I've said GG is small.

I never said that.

I said he wasn't a huge MW, SMW isn't particularly strong, so I don't mind him staying at MW for the time being, although I would love to see him move up at some point.

Yes, you're right about the awful situation with the WBA where GG and Jacobs are both making defences. It's a mess. It's a joke. If either GG officially breaks Bernard's record, or he or some of his fans want to claim it unofficially, it won't mean a damn thing to me. It would literally mean nothing. I wouldn't celebrate it.

I have no love for GG.

I'm not a fan boy.

I just don't like it when people do the following:

Criticise his resume without allowing for circumstances.

Hang on to his claims, taking it literally, without allowing for any circumstances.

Accuse him of ducking Andre, convincing themselves that the fight was there waiting for him, without allowing for circumstances.

[robertzimmerman]

Seriously, what was the point of that dumb post ?

What are you saying, that Froch is a bum because he never moved up, but Golovkin isn't?

Plenty of great fighters only ever fought in 1 division.

Golovkin is not great, just saying.....

Froch > Golovkin, in every department..... and he had the balls to back up his big mouth and fight Ward, unlike someone else we know LMAO

This is where you badly let yourself down. Because you only see things in black and white without allowing for circumstances.

GG is a MW who would have had to have moved up for a fight with Andre.

Carl was a SMW, who's 6'1, with a 75" reach, who entered the Super Six and who made it through to the final where he had to fight Andre.

He's a warrior and he deserves a lot of respect. But ask yourself these questions:

1. Would Carl have fought Andre had there been no Super Six tournament?

2. Would Carl have moved up and fought Andre, had he been a MW of GG's size, in GG's current position?

You can't answer those questions with any certainty.

Carl never went to LHW because he was too small. So had he been a 5'10 MW with a 70" reach like GG, we have absolutely no idea if he'd have gone up to SMW to have fought a guy like Andre, especially if he'd got MW goals that he wanted to achieve.

The difference between me and you, is that I'm a deep thinking person and you're not.

I look at things logically whereas you don't.

I always allow for circumstances whereas you don't.

It's so easy for people to try and make direct comparisons between 2 fighters, without allowing for circumstances.

It's always about the circumstances man, ALWAYS.

Life is defined by circumstances and opportunities.

[aboutfkntime]

What can't I be honest about?

Again, I know what he said.

I understand the frustration, and I understand why people have an issue with his claims.

But if they're ****** enough to literally hang on to every word without allowing for any circumstances, then as far as I'm concerned, they're idiots.

Anyone with any intelligence knows that they were talking about making sacrifices for a big fight if the timing was right.

Only an absolute moron would criticise him for not agreeing to drop to 155 for Canelo, even though he'd said anybody from 154-168.

Why? Again, because of the circumstances.

Going to 154 for a one off fight against the likes of Floyd, is not the same as being forced to defend his 2 MW belts at a CW, DESPITE WHAT HE SAID.

I can post you a link from 2009, where Virgil Hunter said:

"At 32 years of age, Andre Ward will be a HW champion"

If you've followed for boxing for a long time, you'd know that fighters and trainers make all sorts of claims.

It's the nature of the business.

Also, if again, you've followed boxing for a long time, you'd realise the position that Oscar De La Hoya is in, and you'd know exactly the reasons why he DOESN'T want Canelo to fight GG until next year. If you seriously think that that fight isn't happening yet because of GG's refusal to drop to 155, then you are absolutely clueless. It has nothing to do with weight. Canelo is Oscar's golden egg.

They stated that Golovkin would fight Ward at 168, and Canelo at 154, you utter clown.

Not only are you lying to me, you are lying to yourself LMAO

It is CLEARLY OBVIOUS what they meant.....

" Golovkin is willing to fight any man from 154 to 168..... "
" Golovkin Would Fight Ward at 168 and Canelo at 154....."

You are in denial, and are making an UTTER FOOL of yourself.....

Golovkin built his reputation by running around for FOUR YEARS claiming that he can beat "anyone from 154-168".....

2012
Golovkin is willing to fight any man from 154 to 168.....
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec...ovkin-20121201

2013
Golovkin Would Fight Ward at 168 and Canelo at 154.....
http://thaboxingvoice.com/golovkin-a...4/15398?var=no

2014
nobody at 154 or 160 could go twelve rounds.....
http://www.latinpost.com/articles/26...guel-cotto.htm

2015
GGG says ''154 - 168 is easy''.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgoinrsIWww

2016
Nobody From 154-168 Goes Twelve With GGG.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkins...th-ggg--105365

Grow up, and hold an adult responsible for his words/actions, you silly kid.

[aboutfkntime]

You're telling me that I've missed the point yet are claiming that I've said GG is small.

I never said that.

I said he wasn't a huge MW, SMW isn't particularly strong, so I don't mind him staying at MW for the time being, although I would love to see him move up at some point.

Yes, you're right about the awful situation with the WBA where GG and Jacobs are both making defences. It's a mess. It's a joke. If either GG officially breaks Bernard's record, or he or some of his fans want to claim it unofficially, it won't mean a damn thing to me. It would literally mean nothing. I wouldn't celebrate it.

I have no love for GG.

I'm not a fan boy.

I just don't like it when people do the following:

Criticise his resume without allowing for circumstances.

Hang on to his claims, taking it literally, without allowing for any circumstances.

Accuse him of ducking Andre, convincing themselves that the fight was there waiting for him, without allowing for circumstances.

It an ABSURD that you would start your "defence" by stating that Golovkin is not a huge middleweight.

1) who fkn cares ?

2) how is that even relevant, he is clearly a middleweight, period

3) who mentioned 168, not me thats for sure

he is a middleweight, period..... so stop making silly excuses LMAO

[aboutfkntime]

This is where you badly let yourself down. Because you only see things in black and white without allowing for circumstances.

GG is a MW who would have had to have moved up for a fight with Andre.

Carl was a SMW, who's 6'1, with a 75" reach, who entered the Super Six and who made it through to the final where he had to fight Andre.

He's a warrior and he deserves a lot of respect. But ask yourself these questions:

1. Would Carl have fought Andre had there been no Super Six tournament?

2. Would Carl have moved up and fought Andre, had he been a MW of GG's size, in GG's current position?

You can't answer those questions with any certainty.

Carl never went to LHW because he was too small. So had he been a 5'10 MW with a 70" reach like GG, we have absolutely no idea if he'd have gone up to SMW to have fought a guy like Andre, especially if he'd got MW goals that he wanted to achieve.

The difference between me and you, is that I'm a deep thinking person and you're not.

I look at things logically whereas you don't.

I always allow for circumstances whereas you don't.

It's so easy for people to try and make direct comparisons between 2 fighters, without allowing for circumstances.

It's always about circumstances man, ALWAYS.

Life is defined by circumstances and opportunities.

No, the difference is, you make weak excuses to support the guy you like..... and I do not.

[robertzimmerman]

They stated that Golovkin would fight Ward at 168, and Canelo at 154, you utter clown.

Not only are you lying to me, you are lying to yourself LMAO

It is CLEARLY OBVIOUS what they meant.....

You are in denial, and are making an UTTER FOOL of yourself.....

Grow up, and hold an adult responsible for his words/actions, you silly kid.

One last time:

1. I understand where you're coming from. Yes, in those links that you've posted he did say the things that you've quoted.

2. I understand that because of those interviews, people like yourself are going to give him heat.

I get it.


What I'm saying is:

I don't literally hang on to what fighters and their managers say, especially if it's said while they're on their way up.

It's just silly to go back to old interviews and hold people to their comments.

Again, in 2009, Virgil Hunter said at 32 Andre would be a HW champ. Did you read that at the time? Did you take it literally?

If we both wanted to, we could search online for interviews with GG and Leoffler and post up about 50 between us, all of which would say different things.

Now I can post links that completely contradict your links, after his circumstances had changed.

I can post links that say the following:

"We'd be willing to go to 154 and up to 168, but only if the timing is right and it makes sense. We'd only do that for the right fight.

"We'd only be willing to drop to 154 for Floyd only."

"We wouldn't be willing to drop to 154 to fight Canelo."


So whose links take precedence?


Andre Ward said that the winner of the Super Six had to fight Bute.

After he won the Super Six, he said a fight had to build up and Bute had to prove himself.

He also said he'd be willing to rematch Kessler and Froch.

Then he said he wasn't.

He said he'd be willing to fight Dawson at a CW.

Then he said it had to be at 168.


Canelo said he'd only fight GG at 155.

He then said 160 was no problem and he invited GG into the ring to show he wasn't scared and he wanted the fight next.

He then relinquished the belt to make negotiations easier.

He then went on to sign a contract to fight Liam Smith at JMW.

Then after the fight was signed, they had negotiations with Loeffler and GG and said they wanted the fight for sometime next year.


So I could post a ton of links from Andre, Virgil, Canelo and Oscar that all say completely different things at different times.

And you can do that with any fighter.


If you want to hate on him and Loeffler for the comments they've made, again, fair enough.

I'm just asking you to use your common sense and assess the whole situation.

What you're doing is, you're holding him to comments he's said previously, and then using them as a stick to beat him with.

Only an idiot would condone Canelo's actions on the basis of what GG and Loeffler said 3 years ago.


We've had a good go at this now, and I don't see the point in taking it any further.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

[robertzimmerman]

It an ABSURD that you would start your "defence" by stating that Golovkin is not a huge middleweight.

1) who fkn cares ?

2) how is that even relevant, he is clearly a middleweight, period

3) who mentioned 168, not me thats for sure

he is a middleweight, period..... so stop making silly excuses LMAO

My defence?

Are we in court?

Ha!


It was relevant to what I went on to write.


Never mind, we'll leave it.

[robertzimmerman]

No, the difference is, you make weak excuses to support the guy you like..... and I do not.

You don't appreciate circumstances.

Again, we've had a good go but we're now at the end of the road.


Apologies for any insults.

I've thoroughly enjoyed debating/arguing with you.


We'll agree to disagree.


I'll catch you on another topic.


Cheers.