Comments Thread For: Froch: Golovkin Rejected Terms, I'd Walk Through DeGale in 5 or 6

[robertzimmerman]

BULL**** !

Do you actually follow this sport, or not ?

And the point is this..... he aint one now, right ?

Team Bull**** said this..... "Now if Canelo vacates the title and it becomes a voluntary.....then anything is negotiable (including) weight".

And yet..... NOTHING !

Golovkin STILL failed to live up to his hype/promises.

Keep pumping out those weak excuses.

You're asking me if I follow the sport?

YOU?

Ha!

So Canelo wasn't a MW? Even though he was happy to win the lineal MW title? Even though he knew that GG was his mandatory? Even though that he asked for a voluntary before they had negotiations? Even though he can weigh 172?

No, he isn't one now. He's gone back to JMW. He's left the division. But if you're happy to win the lineal MW title, there's obligations that come with that. You can't go up and win the belt and then demand that a fellow MW champ who's also your mandatory has to come down to an imaginary weight.

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

All these boxers are mad jelly of froch. He was literally one of the most respected dudes in boxing. Hard thing to do unless you a real fighter.

[robertzimmerman]

Are you insane, Mr ass-about-face ?

Why on earth would I view this situation, or any situation for that matter, upside down?

You almost had me convinced that you are a genuine boxing fan until you suggested that I do that.

This is what happened, in this order.....

1) Team Bull**** (Loeffler/Sanchez/Golovkin) ran around for FOUR YEARS stating that they can "beat anyone from 154-168"

2) Then, despite being willing to fight everyone else at 168, they demanded a catchweight from Andre Ward, and they justified that shameful behavior by stating that Gennady was the "A-side"

3) They then totally refused to negotiate with the REAL A-side Canelo, when he did the exact same thing..... and don't try to bull**** me that those situations are different, the principle is exactly the same unless you are biased and favor 1 fighter over the other.

Team Bull**** proved two things.....

* that they are nothing but lying hypocrites.....
" we did not demand 164 from Andre Ward "
* that Gennady is subject to the exact same risk/reward decisions as any other fighter.

Nothing special to see here folks..... because if Golovkin was special, he would have used one of the MANY opportunities that he WALKED AWAY from in order to prove it.... but he didn't.

Another comedy post.

You're on a roll.

Again, you're fixated on his comments.

They were obviously referring to a huge fight opportunity.

I don't go around questioning why Andre didn't agree to drop 4 pounds for GG, even though he'd agreed to drop 8 for Floyd.

That's because I've got a brain in my head and I can put things into context.

You say that they demanded a CW for Andre. No they didn't. It was a just a cheeky proposal. Again, nothing official ever took place. But let's say GG had've agreed 168. Then what? They'd have fought? Do you really believe that? Andre hasn't fought at SMW for nearly 3 years. He's only fought twice within that period. You're trying to convince yourself that Andre was ready and desperate to fight him, but GG stopped it from happening.

GG's team have negotiated with Canelo. Again, Oscar doesn't want the fight until next year.


You're too emotional to have an objective debate.

[robertzimmerman]

I am absolutely 100% positive that Team Bull**** are well-aware that Canelo likely beats Golovkin at 155.

They also know exactly what would have happened had they fought Ward at 168.

And the only reason why they avoid Lara is for the EXACT SAME REASON why nobody else wants to fight him either..... because he is a slick/crafty southpaw who is notoriously difficult to look good against.

Listening to Dirty Sanchez blurt out a myriad silly excuses that also apply to a lot of Golovkin's previous opponents, but miraculously did not prevent any of those fights from happening..... really is hilarious.

The silly excuses that some of you guys try to peddle really is shameful.

Ha!

Oh my.

You think that GG's team believes that Canelo would likely have beaten him at 155?

You've convinced yourself that that's why they refused to meet him there?


Ha! Okay.

And now they're avoiding a JMW in Lara? A guy who lost to Canelo, a guy who's never fought at MW, and a guy who brings nothing to the table? His main objective is to obtain the other belts in the division. Why would he go out of his way to fight Lara?

[aboutfkntime]

I've lost any respect that I had for you as a poster.

You obviously don't want an objective debate.

You cannot, and did not, name one thing that is even slightly inaccurate in the post that you replied to.

What you did is, you tried to spin some bull****, by adding your "context".

Dude, what is so hard to understand about this comment.....

" anyone from 154-168 "

NO " context " required, save your spin for the fanboys.

You told me yesterday that you were trying to be reasonable. Well that hasn't worked out.

I keep it 100% real..... always have, always will.

I don't need to add " context ", when obviously no context is required.

It " hasn't worked out " for you..... because I speak the truth, and sometimes the truth hurts.

Again, yes, I know what he said regarding 154-168. But be realistic. Put his words into context and look at the circumstances.

Again, I'm a big fan of Andre's. He said he'd drop to 160 for Floyd and he wants to fight at HW at some point. But I'm not going to jump on him like what you've done with GG.

I don't think so. Team Bull**** lied to him, they lied about him, and they attempted to paint him as a coward..... oh, until Ward approached Loeffler at the May/Pac fight and told him to stop lying to the fans.....





Remember what happened next ?

Recent quotes supposedly from GGG are false, he never said Ward turned down a fight 3 times and never said Ward changed weight in Amateurs

— Tom Loeffler (@TomLoeffler1) July 4, 2015

No Ward fan would ever defend those lying b1tches.

I think you are full-of-it.


And regarding the Mayweather/160 thing, how about we add some "context" huh, as well as some proof?.....

Ward admitted that.....
1) the Mayweather situation was the result of a silly twitter beef over Robert Guerrero
2) he NEVER once considered pursuing a Mayweather fight
3) that fight is utterly ridiculous, and will obviously never happen
4) he cannot make 160





And here is the point you have missed, Mr " objectivity ".....

* Ward made that off-handed, tongue-in-cheek comment ONCE, NOBODY ever took that comment seriously, those guys are now 4 divisions apart ffs

* Golovkin MANUFACTURED HIS REPUTATION by running around for FOUR YEARS stating that he can "beat anyone from 154-168"

FOUR YEARS !

I guess you forgot about that " context ", Mr Objectivity..... ?

I don't know how you've got the nerve to say that what I've wrote is ignorant. You are completely deluded.

You are living in a fantasy. GG did not kill the Canelo fight over weight. Are you taking LSD?

He's just dropped the belt and is scheduled to face Liam Smith at JMW.

Read this carefully:

OSCAR DOES NOT WANT A GG FIGHT NEXT.

Do you understand??

You can't seriously believe that if GG had agreed to the CW that they'd have been fighting next. SMH.

And how did he kill a fight with Andre, when no official talks ever took place, and Andre has only fought twice in 3 years at LHW?

Get back in the real world.

That is EXACTLY what he did.....

He failed to back up his big mouth TWICE.....


the lie:
" anyone from 154-168 "

the truth:
164 or No Fight.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkins...o-fight--93850

160 or no fight.....
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...-not-ounce-160

LMAO

[aboutfkntime]

You're asking me if I follow the sport?

Yep, I am asking you how long have you been following this sport ?

I am also questioning how " objective " you really are ?

Because you seem to spout the same dribble as the fanboys.

Lets have a little test shall we ?

Give me your opinion on Golovkin's quest after Hopkin's record for middleweight title defences.

Let's find out what we are really dealing with here, Mr Objectivity......

..... Gennady only defended the WBA interim title, which did not even exist during Hopkins era..... he wasn't even the top ranked guy within the WBA, so how can you count those fights as official defences?

..... knowledgeable insiders will not overlook such details.....

FACT: you cannot give Jacobs any credit whatsoever for making legitimate title defences..... because Golovkin is the REAL WBA champ.

What, so him and lil'G are BOTH going to start racking up WBA middleweight defences..... AT THE SAME TIME?

FACT: lilG's " defences " when he was the WBA interim "champ"..... are as legitimate as Jacobs "defences" are now..... 0.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...8#post16833068

[Jubei]

Dude you are on the Degenerated Troll list, why do you even post? Nobody reads your trash.

Anyway

Froch is begging for attention after he got retired by a Middleweight.

Froch on Golovkin before and after retiring. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 pic.twitter.com/Nj30x4zTJE

— Strictly Boxing Fans (@BoxingBritain1) June 29, 2016

[aboutfkntime]

Dude you are on the Degenerated Troll list.....

Cool, thanks for the update ^^



childish fanboy loser list:
jubei



See how easy that was



FACT: Froch IS a legend
FACT: lil'G wants to be a called a legend, for doing nothing

[robertzimmerman]

aboutfkntime,

You cannot, and did not, name one thing that is even slightly inaccurate in the post that you replied to.

What you did is, you tried to spin some bull****, by adding your "context".

Of course it's BS to you.

Take a look at your posts.

You don't want a debate.

I must be ****** for wasting my time with you.

Look how emotional your posts are.

You're not interested in any circumstances or anything.

You're full of hate.

Dude, what is so hard to understand about this comment.....

" anyone from 154-168 "

NO " context " required, save your spin for the fanboys.

Yeah, I understand. But for the right fight, if the timing is right.

I keep it 100% real..... always have, always will.

I don't need to add " context ", when obviously no context is required.

It " hasn't worked out " for you..... because I speak the truth, and sometimes the truth hurts.

Of course context is required.

I don't think so. Team Bull**** lied to him, they lied about him, and they attempted to paint him as a coward..... oh, until Ward approached Loeffler at the May/Pac fight and told him to stop lying to the fans.....

I couldn't care less if you believe that I'm a fan of Andre's.

Look at you:

"Lil G, Team Bull****" etc.

Is that the behaviour of a guy who wants an objective debate?

We can all post links. You've posted one of many. If you looked objectively, you'd see that the timing wasn't right for these two guys to meet.

Remember what happened next

No Ward fan would ever defend those lying b1tches.

I think you are full-of-it.

And regarding the Mayweather/160 thing, how about we add some "context" huh, as well as some proof?.....

Ward admitted that.....
1) the Mayweather situation was the result of a silly twitter beef over Robert Guerrero
2) he NEVER once considered pursuing a Mayweather fight
3) that fight is utterly ridiculous, and will obviously never happen
4) he cannot make 160

I know this.

I obviously just emphasised Andre's comments to give you some perspective. I was making a point.

And here is the point you have missed, Mr " objectivity ".....

* Ward made that off-handed, tongue-in-cheek comment ONCE, NOBODY ever took that comment seriously, those guys are now 4 divisions apart ffs

* Golovkin MANUFACTURED HIS REPUTATION by running around for FOUR YEARS stating that he can "beat anyone from 154-168"

FOUR YEARS !

I guess you forgot about that " context ", Mr Objectivity..... ?

Why are you so obsessed with his comments?

Are you really telling me that you think he literally meant ANYONE from those weights?

Again, he was obviously making a reference to Floyd. Everyone knows that.

Now would you like to tell me how potentially dropping to 154 to fight Floyd, is the same as being forced to defend 2 of your MW titles at a CW?

Are you seriously telling me that due to the comments that he made, that he should have dropped to 155 for Canelo, even though it's against the rules of boxing, it was a huge unification, he was the mandatory to the lineal belt, and he had the full backing of the WBC?

Are things really that black and white to you?

It's absolutely baffling that you hold GG responsible for the Canelo fight not taking place next.

What a joke.

Again, your hate has blinded you

[robertzimmerman]

Yep, I am asking you how long have you been following this sport ?

I am also questioning how " objective " you really are ?

Because you seem to spout the same dribble as the fanboys.

Lets have a little test shall we ?

Give me your opinion on Golovkin's quest after Hopkin's record for middleweight title defences.

Let's find out what we are really dealing with here, Mr Objectivity......

A guy who hates GG and who uses words such as: "Lil g and Team BS" is going to test me to see how objective I am?

Ha!


It's fanboy dribble to you, because it's not what you want to hear.

In your fantasy world, talks with Oscar never happened last week.

In your fantasy world, a guy who fought Paul Smith at LHW after 19 months out, was eager and ready to have fought GG at SMW, a weight that he hadn't fought at in over 2 years.

Again, just look at GG's circumstances.

Look at Andre's.

Look from HBO's perspective.

That fight was never going to happen even if GG had've agreed 168.

At the moment, it's not in anyone's best interests for the fight to take place.

All you're left with is 2 huge egos posturing in the media.

If you were really objective, you'd realise that like the Canelo fight, it was never viable.


My opinion on GG's quest to break Bernard's record?

Seeing as though he's not a huge MW, it's a prestigious division, and he's had these goals set for a long time, then I have to respect it. His ambitions are no different to any other fighters at their respected weight classes. He's only doing what a guy like James DeGale is doing at SMW.

I'm aware that he hasn't he got a great resume and that the fans are frustrated, but I also know that Canelo, Jacobs and Saunders don't want to fight him, all of who would be good fights.

Hopefully, he will be able to get those fights. But if he can't, I think he should definitely move up to SMW. Personally, I think he should give it another year and then make a decision.

I'd love to see fights against the likes of DeGale, Ramirez and even Callum Smith who should be in the mix with the best next year. All those fights would intrigue me. But I don't think he'll commit to the division until he's either achieved his MW goals or he finds that they aren't possible to achieve.

What you haven't taken into account with his comments that he made 3-4 years ago, is that over time circumstances change. And if you can't appreciate that, then you're completely ignorant.

When you've only got one belt in a division, you're a lot more open to moving up or down for the right fight. But when you've got 3 belts and you're looking for the 4th and final one, you aren't.

He was looking at Chavez and Froch as potential opponents last year, but as soon as he added the IBF belt and was made the mandatory to the winner of Cotto-Canelo, he backed off. He now has mandatory obligations from 3 of the 4 Org's. When you're in that position, it's much harder to move up and down in weight. You have less freedom and you've got more to lose. Again, if you can't appreciate that then you're completely ignorant and I've got no respect for you.

In his current position, he probably wouldn't even consider a SMW fight unless it was an opportunity that was just too good to turn down. Yet you can't appreciate any of this. In boxing, an awful lot can happen within a 3-4 year period. Andre Ward's circumstances have also changed a hell of a lot over the past 3-4 years. After he won the Super Six, nobody could have predicted that he'd have ended up fighting a guy like Paul Smith after 19 months of inactivity due to injury and contractual disputes.


Please don't bother replying back to me unless you're going to be reasonable.