Comments Thread For: Froch: Golovkin Rejected Terms, I'd Walk Through DeGale in 5 or 6

[robertzimmerman]

Mr Objectivity.....

..... after saying this for FOUR YEARS..... "I can beat anyone from 154-168"..... why do you think that Golovkin demanded 164 for Ward and 160 for Canelo, and then WALKED AWAY when they did not meet his demands?

Tell me why YOU think Golovkin walked away from that huge payday and that desperately needed exposure instead of negotiating with Canelo..... especially after talking all that 154-168 bull****?

I've already covered this in my previous post.

You make it sound as though GG wanting to fight Canelo at MW was unreasonable.

Canelo was a MW.

He had the lineal belt, he knew GG was his mandatory, and he even asked for a voluntary before they sat down for talks.

The guy even weighs in as a LHW on fight night.

The WBC backed GG's request that the unification was to be fought at the limit.

If Canelo wasn't ready to fight at MW, he should have stayed at JMW for longer.

Once again, what we've heard within the last few weeks proves to people that it was never a weight dispute that stopped the fight from taking place.

I honestly can't believe that you think he ducked Canelo, or that Canelo was being reasonable for wanting to defend the lineal title at a CW.

It's absolutely ridiculous.

[robertzimmerman]

Great stuff dude, but that guy is a serial troll with the mental capacity of a gnat. You've made many good points, and I guarantee he won't process one, no matter how hard you try. You'll really do yourself a favor to put him on ignore asap

Thanks man.

GG's actions must have upset him a lot, because I've seen him make some great points on different topics.

It's just mind boggling to me that some people think he ducked Canelo.

[robertzimmerman]

aboutfkntime,

I'd like to know how you can criticise GG for querying whether Andre could have moved down 4 pounds, when you advocate Canelo's request for wanting GG to have moved down 5 pounds?

Also, 3 years ago, Andre said he'd be willing to move to 160 to fight Floyd.

So what's the difference?

Again, these kind of comments have to be put into context and you've got to objectively look at the circumstances.

[BattlingNelson]

aboutfkntime,

I'd like to know how you can criticise GG for querying whether Andre could have moved down 4 pounds, when you advocate Canelo's request for wanting GG to have moved down 5 pounds?

Also, 3 years ago, Andre said he'd be willing to move to 160 to fight Floyd.

So what's the difference?

Again, these kind of comments have to be put into context and you've got to objectively look at the circumstances.

Forget it Mr. Jones lover. The guy you are adressing has no common sense. At all. He has been lectured over and over and keeps reiterating the same trash over and over and over.. Continue only if it makes your day better because if you think you can reason with the guy, you'll end up delusional.

[aboutfkntime]

I'm not a fan boy.

I'm a fan of his, but only a casual.

Andre Ward is my favourite fighter.

I'd like to know what excuses I've made.

Yes, I'm well aware of his comments. But wise up and put them into context. He was obviously talking about fighting in a big fight if the opportunity presented itself. When he mentioned 154, he was obviously referring to a potential Floyd fight. But just because he said he'd be willing to go to 154, that does not mean he had to defend 2 of his MW titles at 155. You have to allow for the huge difference in circumstances. Canelo knew when he signed to fight Cotto that GG was the mandatory challenger to the winner. By fighting and winning the lineal MW belt, Canelo was then a MW in the MW division. It would have been ridiculous to have had a huge unification at a CW. But like I told you yesterday, it wouldn't have made any difference if GG had've been willing to go to 155. Because again, Oscar doesn't want the fight yet. So it's absolutely laughable for you to say he ducked Canelo.

I agree with you that he didn't push for Ward. And I can understand the criticism regarding the CW after he'd said that he was willing to fight Froch and Chavez at 168. That's perfectly understandable. Andre is an elite fighter, and GG would have wanted every advantage possible. But let's not pretend that any official negotiations took place or that Andre was ready and available to fight. Again, the fight was never viable. Andre fought Paul Smith at LHW after 19 months out due to contractual disputes and injury. He then fought Barrerra after a further 9 months out. Andre obviously would have needed to have become active again, possibly needing at least one fight at SMW, which is a weight he hasn't fought at in almost 3 years. That's realistic. But GG's circumstances have changed a lot within the last 6-12 months. Then there's the networks to consider. There were a lot of obstacles to overcome. They were both at completely different stages of their career. But hopefully a future fight can still happen at some point.

FACT#1: Golovkin said this for FOUR YEARS..... "anyone from 154-168"

FACT#2: Golovkin killed TWO huge fights over the weight

/debate

FACT: according to Team Bull**** themselves, Gennady COULD have fought Canelo, but he CHOSE not to..... so If you have somehow managed to convince yourself that Golovkin did not duck Canelo, then I applaud your debating skills LMAO

I guess you love you some lil'G.

As far as your excuses go, the second paragraph above is either shamefully ignorant, or shamefully creative..... but either way, peddling that rubbish to me is shamefully silly.

None of that stuff you wrote is true, because we know that Team Bull**** killed the fight over the weight.....

164 or not fight.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkins...o-fight--93850

[aboutfkntime]

I've already covered this in my previous post.

You make it sound as though GG wanting to fight Canelo at MW was unreasonable.

Canelo was a MW.

He had the lineal belt, he knew GG was his mandatory, and he even asked for a voluntary before they sat down for talks.

The guy even weighs in as a LHW on fight night.

The WBC backed GG's request that the unification was to be fought at the limit.

If Canelo wasn't ready to fight at MW, he should have stayed at JMW for longer.

Once again, what we've heard within the last few weeks proves to people that it was never a weight dispute that stopped the fight from taking place.

I honestly can't believe that you think he ducked Canelo, or that Canelo was being reasonable for wanting to defend the lineal title at a CW.

It's absolutely ridiculous.

BULL**** !

Do you actually follow this sport, or not ?

And the point is this..... he aint one now, right ?

Team Bull**** said this..... "Now if Canelo vacates the title and it becomes a voluntary.....then anything is negotiable (including) weight".

And yet..... NOTHING !

Golovkin STILL failed to live up to his hype/promises.

Keep pumping out those weak excuses.

[aboutfkntime]

aboutfkntime,

I'd like to know how you can criticise GG for querying whether Andre could have moved down 4 pounds, when you advocate Canelo's request for wanting GG to have moved down 5 pounds?

Also, 3 years ago, Andre said he'd be willing to move to 160 to fight Floyd.

So what's the difference?

Again, these kind of comments have to be put into context and you've got to objectively look at the circumstances.

Are you insane, Mr ass-about-face ?

Why on earth would I view this situation, or any situation for that matter, upside down?

You almost had me convinced that you are a genuine boxing fan until you suggested that I do that.

This is what happened, in this order.....

1) Team Bull**** (Loeffler/Sanchez/Golovkin) ran around for FOUR YEARS stating that they can "beat anyone from 154-168"

2) Then, despite being willing to fight everyone else at 168, they demanded a catchweight from Andre Ward, and they justified that shameful behavior by stating that Gennady was the "A-side"

3) They then totally refused to negotiate with the REAL A-side Canelo, when he did the exact same thing..... and don't try to bull**** me that those situations are different, the principle is exactly the same unless you are biased and favor 1 fighter over the other.

Team Bull**** proved two things.....

* that they are nothing but lying hypocrites.....
" we did not demand 164 from Andre Ward "
* that Gennady is subject to the exact same risk/reward decisions as any other fighter.

Nothing special to see here folks..... because if Golovkin was special, he would have used one of the MANY opportunities that he WALKED AWAY from in order to prove it.... but he didn't.

[aboutfkntime]

I am absolutely 100% positive that Team Bull**** are well-aware that Canelo likely beats Golovkin at 155.

They also know exactly what would have happened had they fought Ward at 168.

And the only reason why they avoid Lara is for the EXACT SAME REASON why nobody else wants to fight him either..... because he is a slick/crafty southpaw who is notoriously difficult to look good against.

Listening to Dirty Sanchez blurt out a myriad silly excuses that also apply to a lot of Golovkin's previous opponents, but miraculously did not prevent any of those fights from happening..... really is hilarious.

The silly excuses that some of you guys try to peddle really is shameful.

[robertzimmerman]

Forget it Mr. Jones lover. The guy you are adressing has no common sense. At all. He has been lectured over and over and keeps reiterating the same trash over and over and over.. Continue only if it makes your day better because if you think you can reason with the guy, you'll end up delusional.

Ha!

He's obviously completely biased when it comes to GG.

It's a shame because I've read some good posts that he's made on other topics.

[robertzimmerman]

FACT#1: Golovkin said this for FOUR YEARS..... "anyone from 154-168"

FACT#2: Golovkin killed TWO huge fights over the weight

/debate

FACT: according to Team Bull**** themselves, Gennady COULD have fought Canelo, but he CHOSE not to..... so If you have somehow managed to convince yourself that Golovkin did not duck Canelo, then I applaud your debating skills LMAO

I guess you love you some lil'G.

As far as your excuses go, the second paragraph above is either shamefully ignorant, or shamefully creative..... but either way, peddling that rubbish to me is shamefully silly.

None of that stuff you wrote is true, because we know that Team Bull**** killed the fight over the weight.....

164 or not fight.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkins...o-fight--93850

I've lost any respect that I had for you as a poster.

You obviously don't want an objective debate.

You told me yesterday that you were trying to be reasonable. Well that hasn't worked out.

Again, yes, I know what he said regarding 154-168. But be realistic. Put his words into context and look at the circumstances.

Again, I'm a big fan of Andre's. He said he'd drop to 160 for Floyd and he wants to fight at HW at some point. But I'm not going to jump on him like what you've done with GG.

I don't know how you've got the nerve to say that what I've wrote is ignorant. You are completely deluded.

You are living in a fantasy. GG did not kill the Canelo fight over weight. Are you taking LSD?

He's just dropped the belt and is scheduled to face Liam Smith at JMW.

Read this carefully:

OSCAR DOES NOT WANT A GG FIGHT NEXT.

Do you understand??

You can't seriously believe that if GG had agreed to the CW that they'd have been fighting next. SMH.

And how did he kill a fight with Andre, when no official talks ever took place, and Andre has only fought twice in 3 years at LHW?

Get back in the real world.