Comments Thread For: Froch: Golovkin Rejected Terms, I'd Walk Through DeGale in 5 or 6

[robertzimmerman]

You can't blame GGG for not taking it at 172, that's 12 pounds above his weight limit, but at the same time, "anyone between 154 and 175!" Didn't they say that? Maybe it was just 154 and 168. But whatever, you can't blame GGG for not taking the risk, but at the same time, what else is there for him? If he's so good, or at least he was a year or two ago, maybe now he's getting old, but at that time, if he's so good, and I believe he was, he should have just done it. Beating Froch 12 pounds above his weight limit, in front of 80,000 UK fans, would have been a legacy fight for GGG and made him a huge star.

The fight was never viable.

At the time Carl spoke to Tom Loeffler, GG had just beaten Lemieux making him the WBA and IBF MW champ, and he was in line to fight Canelo who'd just beaten Cotto. So he had 2 belts and he was looking towards a huge unification. He was never going to move out of the MW division at that point, and especially not up to 172 which was crazy. Also, Carl's trainer - Robert McCracken, thought that Carl could in fact make 168, if he started to live the life again.

Basically, Carl's just missing the limelight and he wants to still be relevant.

[b00g13man]

Agreed Kovalev is too big and too strong. GGG and Degale beat Froch as well

In their dreams.

[aboutfkntime]

The fight was never viable.

At the time Carl spoke to Tom Loeffler, GG had just beaten Lemieux making him the WBA and IBF MW champ, and he was in line to fight Canelo who'd just beaten Cotto. So he had 2 belts and he was looking towards a huge unification. He was never going to move out of the MW division at that point, and especially not up to 172 which was crazy. Also, Carl's trainer - Robert McCracken, thought that Carl could in fact make 168, if he started to live the life again.

Basically, Carl's just missing the limelight and he wants to still be relevant.

Pavlik fought Hopkins at 170 after winning the title from Taylor.

I thought that lil'G was supposed to be better than Pavlik ?

So, lil'G could have fought Froch at 170, like Pavlik fought Hopkins..... but he chose not to.

I will just file that " crazy " excuse, along with the other excuses he used for Ward/Lara/Canelo.

The excuse-pile must be running low, would it be easier for Golovkin to simply take some of these fights that he is choosing not to take?

[robertzimmerman]

Pavlik fought Hopkins at 170 after winning the title from Taylor.

I thought that lil'G was supposed to be better than Pavlik ?

So, lil'G could have fought Froch at 170, like Pavlik fought Hopkins..... but he chose not to.

I will just file that " crazy " excuse, along with the other excuses he used for Ward/Lara/Canelo.

The excuse-pile must be running low, would it be easier for Golovkin to simply take some of these fights that he is choosing not to take?

I've read a fair few of your posts on lots of different topics.

You have a lot of boxing knowledge. But it seems that you're being quite biased here.


First of all, everyone's circumstances are different.

Kelly Pavlik has nothing to do with anything. But we can discuss him.

Yes, he moved up to 170 to fight Bernard. And he deserves a lot of credit for that. But you have to note 2 things:

1. He was a very big MW.

2. He wasn't in the position that GG was in last year.


Kelly is 6'2, and he has a 75" reach. He fought above the MW limit on numerous occasions, that included fighting as high as 169 earlier in his career.

GG is 5'10, and he has a 70" reach. Unlike Pavlik, he's never weighed in in the high 160's. He's not a big MW.


Late last year, GG had just beaten David Lemieux for the IBF title, and he was in line to face Canelo who'd just beaten Cotto for the lineal title. So he had 2 belts, and he was the mandatory with the WBC, for what would have been a huge unification fight.

Yes, he chose not to pursue a fight with Carl at that point. But who would have done in that position? It wouldn't have made sense. To label it as a duck is showing mind boggling ignorance.

Nobody knows what Pavlik would have done in that exact same position, but I doubt very much he'd have moved up.

It's unfair to try and make direct comparisons when the circumstances are so different.


What excuses has GG made with Canelo, Lara and Ward?

Again, a fight with Ward was never viable. He's only fought twice in almost 3 years.

Lara isn't even a MW.

Canelo has just relinquished his belt as Oscar doesn't want him to fight GG next. They don't want it until next year. I don't know whether or not you're referring to GG refusing to go to 155, but it wouldn't have made any difference.


Get back to me if you want an objective debate.

[aboutfkntime]

I've read a fair few of your posts on lots of different topics.

You have a lot of boxing knowledge. But it seems that you're being quite biased here.


First of all, everyone's circumstances are different.

Kelly Pavlik has nothing to do with anything. But we can discuss him.

Yes, he moved up to 170 to fight Bernard. And he deserves a lot of credit for that. But you have to note 2 things:

1. He was a very big MW.

2. He wasn't in the position that GG was in last year.


Kelly is 6'2, and he has a 75" reach. He fought above the MW limit on numerous occasions, that included fighting as high as 169 earlier in his career.

GG is 5'10, and he has a 70" reach. Unlike Pavlik, he's never weighed in in the high 160's. He's not a big MW.


Late last year, GG had just beaten David Lemieux for the IBF title, and he was in line to face Canelo who'd just beaten Cotto for the lineal title. So he had 2 belts, and he was the mandatory with the WBC, for what would have been a huge unification fight.

Yes, he chose not to pursue a fight with Carl at that point. But who would have done in that position? It wouldn't have made sense. To label it as a duck is showing mind boggling ignorance.

Nobody knows what Pavlik would have done in that exact same position, but I doubt very much he'd have moved up.

It's unfair to try and make direct comparisons when the circumstances are so different.


What excuses has GG made with Canelo, Lara and Ward?

Again, a fight with Ward was never viable. He's only fought twice in almost 3 years.

Lara isn't even a MW.

Canelo has just relinquished his belt as Oscar doesn't want him to fight GG next. They don't want it until next year. I don't know whether or not you're referring to GG refusing to go to 155, but it wouldn't have made any difference.


Get back to me if you want an objective debate.

Look, I am gonna try and be reasonable here.....
..... but the bold in your post, really are piss-poor WEAK excuses.

I am NOT insinuating that Golovkin ducked Froch, NOBODY said that.

Right ?

No big deal..... but Froch made that offer to Loeffler directly, on video.

And nope, I'm not digging out a link to prove it, because I can't be fk'd.

I am not suggesting that Golovkin ducked Froch..... because he had retired, and 172 is unrealistic..... although Pavlik fought Hopkins at 170, and Golovkin did talk all that shht.

I am simply pointing out that according to Golovkin and his team, he could have taken that fight, but he chose not to.

That's all I am saying man.

Look, Pavlik did not run around for FOUR YEARS saying that he can beat "anyone from 154-168"..... and according to Sanchez, the weight is not problem, because Gennady beats up cruiserweight champions in sparring.

All I am saying is, now I have to add Pavlik's name to the list of fighters who Golovkin apparently could have fought, but chose not to..... and for every single one of those potential opponents, they have made a bunch of unsatisfactory WEAK excuses.

I agree that it's not a duck, but it most definitely is yet another high-level fight that Golovkin did not make, for whatever reason he felt like giving at the time.

He promised us the world, and yet he has never delivered on that promise, not once..... and yet, we always get a bunch of excuses explaining why.

Just sick of seeing more excuses than fights is all.

Regarding Canelo, Golovkin ducked him plain and simple, just like Ward.

1) said this for FOUR YEARS..... " I can beat anyone from 154-168 "
2) then killed Ward/Canelo over the weight

I am not even gonna debate that with you, it is clearly obvious.

FACT: according to Team Bull****, Gennady COULD have taken that fight, but he CHOSE not to..... which is insane, and totally unjustifiable.

[robertzimmerman]

aboutfkntime,

Look, I am gonna try and be reasonable here.....
..... but the bold in your post, really are piss-poor WEAK excuses.

I am NOT insinuating that Golovkin ducked Froch, NOBODY said that.

Right ?

I don't think you're being reasonable at all. Especially when you refer to him as 'Lil g'

How on earth are they weak excuses?

I am simply pointing out that according to Golovkin and his team, he could have taken that fight, but he chose not to.

That's all I am saying man.

He chose not to?

Why was that?

Again, he'd just won the IBF belt and everyone was expecting a huge unification with Canelo this year.

Why on earth would he even have contemplated moving up to LHW at that point??

Nobody would have done so in his position.

It's illogical.

Look, Pavlik did not run around for FOUR YEARS saying that he can beat "anyone from 154-168"..... and according to Sanchez, the weight is not problem, because Gennady beats up cruiserweight champions in sparring.

It was the timing what was the issue.

All I am saying is, now I have to add Pavlik's name to the list of fighters who Golovkin apparently could have fought, but chose not to..... and for every single one of those potential opponents, they have made a bunch of unsatisfactory WEAK excuses.

How are they weak?

I agree that it's not a duck, but it most definitely is yet another high-level fight that Golovkin did not make, for whatever reason he felt like giving at the time.

I've just given you the reason. No MW moves up 12 pounds when he's in line for a huge unification.

Stop being silly.

He promised us the world, and yet he has never delivered on that promise, not once..... and yet, we always get a bunch of excuses explaining why.

His career's not over yet. If he can get BJS and Jacobs in the ring he can hopefully own every belt in the division. That's his goal. If/when he achieves that, he'll hopefully move up in weight.

Again, he was never going to go to 172 to then come back down again.

Also, how serious was Froch?

It seems to me he's just missing the limelight.

Just sick of seeing more excuses than fights is all.

Regarding Canelo, Golovkin ducked him plain and simple, just like Ward.

1) said this for FOUR YEARS..... " I can beat anyone from 154-168 "
2) then killed Ward/Canelo over the weight

He ducked Canelo?

Ha!

You can't be serious?

Canelo and Oscar have just dropped the belt and ran. They don't want the fight until next year.

Come on man, wake up. Get in the real world.

The weight has nothing to do with it.

GG was well within his rights to refuse to go to 155, but it wouldn't have made any difference whatsoever. He could have agreed in 10 seconds to go to 155. Then what? You think they'd be fighting next? Boxing is a ruthless business. Oscar's going to milk him for as long as possible. Again, it wasn't the weight that stopped this fight from happening. It's the timing on Oscar's part.

How can I even have a debate with you if you seriously think GG ducked Canelo?

Nobody believes that. Not even the Mexican fans.

I am not even gonna debate that with you, it is clearly obvious.

FACT: according to Team Bull****, Gennady COULD have taken that fight, but he CHOSE not to..... which is insane, and totally unjustifiable.

How is it unjustifiable?

Have you no appreciation of circumstances?

There isn't anything that's insane.

I understand your frustrations, but you need to be more objective.

[aboutfkntime]

aboutfkntime,

I don't think you're being reasonable at all. Especially when you refer to him as 'Lil g'

How on earth are they weak excuses?

He chose not to?

Why was that?

Again, he'd just won the IBF belt and everyone was expecting a huge unification with Canelo this year.

Why on earth would he even have contemplated moving up to LHW at that point??

Nobody would have done so in his position.

It's illogical.

It was the timing what was the issue.

How are they weak?

I've just given you the reason. No MW moves up 12 pounds when he's in line for a huge unification.

Stop being silly.

His career's not over yet. If he can get BJS and Jacobs in the ring he can hopefully own every belt in the division. That's his goal. If/when he achieves that, he'll hopefully move up in weight.

Again, he was never going to go to 172 to then come back down again.

Also, how serious was Froch?

It seems to me he's just missing the limelight.

He ducked Canelo?

Ha!

You can't be serious?

Canelo and Oscar have just dropped the belt and ran. They don't want the fight until next year.

Come on man, wake up. Get in the real world.

The weight has nothing to do with it.

GG was well within his rights to refuse to go to 155, but it wouldn't have made any difference whatsoever. He could have agreed in 10 seconds to go to 155. Then what? You think they'd be fighting next? Boxing is a ruthless business. Oscar's going to milk him for as long as possible. Again, it wasn't the weight that stopped this fight from happening. It's the timing on Oscar's part.

How can I even have a debate with you if you seriously think GG ducked Canelo?

Nobody believes that. Not even the Mexican fans.

How is it unjustifiable?

Have you no appreciation of circumstances?

There isn't anything that's insane.

I understand your frustrations, but you need to be more objective.

A ridiculous excuse-filled fanboy post !

Failing to be " objective ", is forgetting all of that "anyone from 154-168" bull****.

Failing to be " objective ", is somehow excusing a grown man from being responsible for his words/actions.

Smarten up kid, Golovkin was willing to fight everyone else at 168 except Ward, because it is highly unlikely that he could beat him.

And the guy who spouted this for FOUR YEARS..... "anyone from 154-168 doe"..... failed to live to those wild claims because he is not confident about beating Canelo at 155.

Only the tard fanboys do not admit that Golovkin is subject to the exact same risk/reward decisions as any other fighter.

[aboutfkntime]

aboutfkntime,

I don't think you're being reasonable at all. Especially when you refer to him as 'Lil g'

How on earth are they weak excuses?

He chose not to?

Why was that?

Again, he'd just won the IBF belt and everyone was expecting a huge unification with Canelo this year.

Why on earth would he even have contemplated moving up to LHW at that point??

Nobody would have done so in his position.

It's illogical.

It was the timing what was the issue.

How are they weak?

I've just given you the reason. No MW moves up 12 pounds when he's in line for a huge unification.

Stop being silly.

His career's not over yet. If he can get BJS and Jacobs in the ring he can hopefully own every belt in the division. That's his goal. If/when he achieves that, he'll hopefully move up in weight.

Again, he was never going to go to 172 to then come back down again.

Also, how serious was Froch?

It seems to me he's just missing the limelight.

He ducked Canelo?

Ha!

You can't be serious?

Canelo and Oscar have just dropped the belt and ran. They don't want the fight until next year.

Come on man, wake up. Get in the real world.

The weight has nothing to do with it.

GG was well within his rights to refuse to go to 155, but it wouldn't have made any difference whatsoever. He could have agreed in 10 seconds to go to 155. Then what? You think they'd be fighting next? Boxing is a ruthless business. Oscar's going to milk him for as long as possible. Again, it wasn't the weight that stopped this fight from happening. It's the timing on Oscar's part.

How can I even have a debate with you if you seriously think GG ducked Canelo?

Nobody believes that. Not even the Mexican fans.

How is it unjustifiable?

Have you no appreciation of circumstances?

There isn't anything that's insane.

I understand your frustrations, but you need to be more objective.

Mr Objectivity.....

..... after saying this for FOUR YEARS..... "I can beat anyone from 154-168"..... why do you think that Golovkin demanded 164 for Ward and 160 for Canelo, and then WALKED AWAY when they did not meet his demands?

Tell me why YOU think Golovkin walked away from that huge payday and that desperately needed exposure instead of negotiating with Canelo..... especially after talking all that 154-168 bull****?

[HeroBando]

aboutfkntime,



I don't think you're being reasonable at all. Especially when you refer to him as 'Lil g'

How on earth are they weak excuses?



He chose not to?

Why was that?

Again, he'd just won the IBF belt and everyone was expecting a huge unification with Canelo this year.

Why on earth would he even have contemplated moving up to LHW at that point??

Nobody would have done so in his position.

It's illogical.



It was the timing what was the issue.



How are they weak?



I've just given you the reason. No MW moves up 12 pounds when he's in line for a huge unification.

Stop being silly.



His career's not over yet. If he can get BJS and Jacobs in the ring he can hopefully own every belt in the division. That's his goal. If/when he achieves that, he'll hopefully move up in weight.

Again, he was never going to go to 172 to then come back down again.

Also, how serious was Froch?

It seems to me he's just missing the limelight.



He ducked Canelo?

Ha!

You can't be serious?

Canelo and Oscar have just dropped the belt and ran. They don't want the fight until next year.

Come on man, wake up. Get in the real world.

The weight has nothing to do with it.

GG was well within his rights to refuse to go to 155, but it wouldn't have made any difference whatsoever. He could have agreed in 10 seconds to go to 155. Then what? You think they'd be fighting next? Boxing is a ruthless business. Oscar's going to milk him for as long as possible. Again, it wasn't the weight that stopped this fight from happening. It's the timing on Oscar's part.

How can I even have a debate with you if you seriously think GG ducked Canelo?

Nobody believes that. Not even the Mexican fans.



How is it unjustifiable?

Have you no appreciation of circumstances?

There isn't anything that's insane.

I understand your frustrations, but you need to be more objective.

Great stuff dude, but that guy is a serial troll with the mental capacity of a gnat. You've made many good points, and I guarantee he won't process one, no matter how hard you try. You'll really do yourself a favor to put him on ignore asap

[robertzimmerman]

A ridiculous excuse-filled fanboy post !

Failing to be " objective ", is forgetting all of that "anyone from 154-168" bull****.

Failing to be " objective ", is somehow excusing a grown man from being responsible for his words/actions.

Smarten up kid, Golovkin was willing to fight everyone else at 168 except Ward, because it is highly unlikely that he could beat him.

And the guy who spouted this for FOUR YEARS..... "anyone from 154-168 doe"..... failed to live to those wild claims because he is not confident about beating Canelo at 155.

Only the tard fanboys do not admit that Golovkin is subject to the exact same risk/reward decisions as any other fighter.

I'm not a fan boy.

I'm a fan of his, but only a casual.

Andre Ward is my favourite fighter.

I'd like to know what excuses I've made.

Yes, I'm well aware of his comments. But wise up and put them into context. He was obviously talking about fighting in a big fight if the opportunity presented itself. When he mentioned 154, he was obviously referring to a potential Floyd fight. But just because he said he'd be willing to go to 154, that does not mean he had to defend 2 of his MW titles at 155. You have to allow for the huge difference in circumstances. Canelo knew when he signed to fight Cotto that GG was the mandatory challenger to the winner. By fighting and winning the lineal MW belt, Canelo was then a MW in the MW division. It would have been ridiculous to have had a huge unification at a CW. But like I told you yesterday, it wouldn't have made any difference if GG had've been willing to go to 155. Because again, Oscar doesn't want the fight yet. So it's absolutely laughable for you to say he ducked Canelo.

I agree with you that he didn't push for Ward. And I can understand the criticism regarding the CW after he'd said that he was willing to fight Froch and Chavez at 168. That's perfectly understandable. Andre is an elite fighter, and GG would have wanted every advantage possible. But let's not pretend that any official negotiations took place or that Andre was ready and available to fight. Again, the fight was never viable. Andre fought Paul Smith at LHW after 19 months out due to contractual disputes and injury. He then fought Barrerra after a further 9 months out. Andre obviously would have needed to have become active again, possibly needing at least one fight at SMW, which is a weight he hasn't fought at in almost 3 years. That's realistic. But GG's circumstances have changed a lot within the last 6-12 months. Then there's the networks to consider. There were a lot of obstacles to overcome. They were both at completely different stages of their career. But hopefully a future fight can still happen at some point.