Comments Thread For: Mayweather Backs Golden Boy's Decision on Canelo-Golovkin

[WesternChamp]

I always felt that there was something "suspect" with Manny and Ariza. Roach made it more than a feeling. Floyd sealed the deal when he hired Ariza. I love Floyd and Manny, but they are both suspect! I believe they are both like Sammy Soasa and A-Rod, with the exception that they never got caught. I think Manny did it on the way up, and Floyd needed it to beat Maidana in the rematch. Ariza is a bigger piece in the Mayweather Era, than I believe most want to admit.

Why are you talking about both being suspect? Nice way to change the subject lmao! I don't give a damn about them being suspect so you can cut out your weak attempt to bring this up to ignore the original question. I'll ask you again, so you just confirm that Floyd had no intention in making the fight with Manny at the beginning since Floyd was still selling out arena and ppv?

[Buckfever]

It worked for him.

[rasdun]

Well said!
Their not smart promotors, but greedy promotors. As a business you either need to sell a product or provide a service. Boxing's service is entertainment. Boxing is competing with y0u tube, ufc, football and every other sport where the best compete against the best. Why would someone who doesn't love boxing like us follow a business that only gives decent entertainment after years of waiting, sometimes past it's used by date. The promotors will make more money in the short term, yes. This comes at the cost of turning people away from the sport (new fans also) and it's long term detriment. I don't think mylod fayweather gives a stuff about that though. He needs more money as he's got bugger all.
I guess its the paradox of our age...Can see the rastafarian view on babylon now!

You're right about everything except 1 thing. It doesn't even necessarily make promoters more money in the short-term. May v. Pac was a dud, yes, but a big part of that reason was that both fighters were clearly past their prime. If they 1st fought in '09 or '10 who's to say the fight wouldn't have generated a rematch or even a trilogy in which, ultimately the fighters made even more money then they did bc they fought each other a number of times instead of poor ppv performances such as Mayweather v Guererro, Pacquiao v. Rios, etc.

Also, I am always in favor of people making as much money as possible; and I would never criticize someone for getting every last cent. That said, once you have hundreds of millions of $$$, you've already set up yourself and the next3-4 generations. Wouldn't your legacy, at some point, be more important than that extra dollar that won't have any impact on your life or your kids or grandkids' lives?

[jqSide]

Is GGG avoided? Yep. But he's not close to being as avoided as Rigondeaux. And a lotta the same people that b1tch about GGG being avoided. Applaud Rigo being avoided. I'm still waiting on a logical explanation of how that makes sense.

Look at this clown. He has the nerve to appreciate Rigo being avoided, but not GG. And how was Rigo avoided? Donaire fought him, didn't he? And who has Rigo fought since? He had a chance to move up when Loma called his bluff. He cried about the offer being cheap when his team was the one who set their price.

[rasdun]

Look at this clown. He has the nerve to appreciate Rigo being avoided, but not GG. And how was Rigo avoided? Donaire fought him, didn't he? And who has Rigo fought since? He had a chance to move up when Loma called his bluff. He cried about the offer being cheap when his team was the one who set their price.

That's very true. Donaire was a top 5 lb 4 lb fighter when they fought; and Rigo def could've fought Loma if he really wanted the fight. I guarantee if Canelo is willing to fight GGG, the fight gets made GGG isn't going to not take the fight over purse unless its a laughable offer like 90/10

[rasdun]

Exactly. This was a game of poker and GGG tried to bluff and force the fight at 160 at the negotiations table when Golden Boy had 4 aces in their hands. YOU DON'T TRY AND FORCE THE A SIDE TO JUMP UP TO 160 TO FIGHT YOU WHEN HE HAS NEVER FOUGHT ABOVE 155. It backfired gave Golden Boy the excuse to say F these idiots we will throw this belt in the trash because Canelo was NEVER a middleweight in the first place and will go down 1 single pound and become world champ again at 154 which is really where he belongs anyway. Meanwhile GGG is azzz out with no options at 160 and 34 years old running out of time. Canelo is only 25 and can fight anyone he wants on HIS TERMS at 154 and make a boat load of money. It was on GGG to make sacrifices to get the big fish not Canelo to give away advantages. GGG needs Canelo always has not the other way around. It took 5 pounds to get the mega fight now if he had better management around him they would of told him take that instead of waste more years of this guy's prime waiting for a big fight.

I don't know about that. fighting at 160 really isn't giving away an advantage, as it seems to me they both walk into the ring at the same weight. Canelo just wanted a number of different excuses. Just like May did with Pac - the excuse changed depending upon what week it was.
People can say golden boy had 4 aces up their sleave, but when they put the cards down, they weren't there anymore. Canelo lost a lot of fans in this process, I can guarantee that. I know for a fact that Im not the only one who won't buy another one of his fights, esp vs Liam F***n Smith. If he fights Andrade or Charlo, maybe, but he ain't doing that either.
I posted this above - when does legacy come into play? everything isn't about every single dollar you can get. When you're already making tens of millions of dollars, why not take the fight the fans want to see. The same fans that are responsible for the tens of millions you've made.

[HeroBando]

He said day 1 I'll fight him now at my weight and said I don't care about no belt. He said I'll fight him at 160 but never said right now at 160 (hence GGG now having to wait till Canelo grows to 160). GGG wasn't man enough to drop 5 pounds to get the fight NOW even though he's been saying for years he would go to 154 for a big fight and made similar Catchweight demands on Ward AFTER he also said he would go to 168. So now he's stuck in this situation.

Canelo should of vacated that belt immediately hell Cotto could of saved both of them some ridicule and vacated that belt. Neither are middleweights. But please don't think Canelo catching some heat now will change anything. I have NEVER seen any fighter get bashed more on social media then Floyd did. And not for a few months I'm talking about for years. And it never ONCE effected his paycheck still made big fights and when Manny was FINALLY ready to come to terms with Floyd being the A side and meeting his demands the fight got made. Trying to publicly pressure Floyd didn't work. And GGG doing the same with the 160 weight which he, his promoter and trainer said will NEVER happen is what killed this fight. It was never realistic to think Canelo the new cash cash in boxing who has never fought above 155 was going to jump up to 160 just because GGG said so especially when he refuses to do so for Ward and others.

Floyd is a self made villain. He's not Mexican either so cowardice is less of a transgression. Oh, and he's also 10x better and more accomplished. But hey if you can't beat him in the ring, or even win a round with a 15lb advantage, I guess you try to beat him at the ducking game

[Bronx2245]

Why are you talking about both being suspect? Nice way to change the subject lmao! I don't give a damn about them being suspect so you can cut out your weak attempt to bring this up to ignore the original question. I'll ask you again, so you just confirm that Floyd had no intention in making the fight with Manny at the beginning since Floyd was still selling out arena and ppv?

Top Rank was protecting Manny. That's why Manny was "scared of needles," "cuts not healing," "outdoor stadium," etc. Fight should've happened before Floyd went to jail! After Floyd came out, and got that big Showtime contract, he and Haymon made Bob suck di*k! After Manny got destroyed by Marquez, he needed Floyd! Floyd milked him, and then schooled him!, and used Manny to make $300 million! Manny hasn't been the same since Ariza left! #48 never had a chance, neither mentally nor physically!

[Eastlos]

I don't know about that. fighting at 160 really isn't giving away an advantage, as it seems to me they both walk into the ring at the same weight. Canelo just wanted a number of different excuses. Just like May did with Pac - the excuse changed depending upon what week it was.
People can say golden boy had 4 aces up their sleave, but when they put the cards down, they weren't there anymore. Canelo lost a lot of fans in this process, I can guarantee that. I know for a fact that Im not the only one who won't buy another one of his fights, esp vs Liam F***n Smith. If he fights Andrade or Charlo, maybe, but he ain't doing that either.
I posted this above - when does legacy come into play? everything isn't about every single dollar you can get. When you're already making tens of millions of dollars, why not take the fight the fans want to see. The same fans that are responsible for the tens of millions you've made.

Bull****.... The only thing that you can "guarantee" is that Lil G will be fighting his 3rd prospect in 4 fights. You talk about legacy? How come you don't mention how Lil G choose to fight another prospect instead of fighting another champ in Lara... Which one do you think would be bigger for his legacy? C'mon, man all this BS your spewing about Canelo losing "a lot" of fans is here say... Everyone that is hating on Canelo now where the same ones hating on him before. I will promise this Canelo will still be headlining PPV'S while Lil G will still be fighting prospects on regular HBO...

[Travycat]

Yea but your waiting didn't give the fans (the salary payers) the best possible versions of you both. Seemed like Floyd avoided a youthful Manny, and Manny avoided certain testing. So your waiting is all **** in our eyes.