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Originally posted by grayfist
In the past 25 years, I have been a frequent visitor of the Philippines (the fact is, I am in the Philippines right now: leaving on the 4th), and as far as I can tell, the traffic of cannon fodder goes both ways. I have watched so many Thai fighters not lasting more than 2 or 3 rounds in the hands of Filipino fighters, especially, in Paranaque (where the asian-boxing-influential Elorde family is based), in the islands of Cebu and Negros as well as a city in Metropolitan Manila called Mandaluyong.
Thais are not the only favorite fare of promising Filipino fighters: recently there are the Indonesians, and in years past there were Koreans and Japanese.
Last year, two Africans--Vuyisle Bebe and Obote Ameme-- came over to be stopped by Rey Bautista. Ameme had been stopped twice in his last four fights prior to meeting Bautista (he won the other two on points) and Bebe had lost three of his four previous fights, with one No Contest.
It was not only Filipinos who fed their prospect Bautista his diet of warm bodies: in 2002, Boom Boom went all the way to Japan where Hirokatsu Yamazaki was fed by his own compatriots to Bautista in Tokyo. The foregone conclusion came in the third round, and Yamazaki raised his loss record to 11-- one more than his total wins of 10.
In June last year, a Mexican from Ciudad Obregon, named Gilberto Bolanos, went to Cebu (an island province in the middle of the Philippine archipelago) with a record of only 4 wins and 7 losses to face Bautista. He refused to come out for the 7th (or, was it 6th?) round.
The Elorde ward, Juanito Rubillar, who is reportedly all but dying to face Viloria, has had his own diet of Thai, Korean and Japanese meat: Yuki Hashiguchi (Japanese), Jim Ho Kim (Korean), Fahsang Pongsawang (Thai), Takahiko Mizuno (Japanese), Takayoki Korogi (Japanese), Namchai Taksinisan (Thai), Katsumi Makiyama (Japanese), Samransak Singmanasak (Thai), among others. Only the Hashiguchi and Korogi fights were outside the Philippines (both were in Honolulu).
Joma Gamboa, also faced a number of Korean, Japanese and Thai fighters before facing Noel Arambulet twice (lost 1, won 1): Aswin Sithlakmuang, Chul Woo Lee, Toru Shimabukuro, Chaweng Sangklam, Woo-Hee Chang, Ryu Koroshima, etc.
I think part of what caused some of the arguments on this thread is in the title of the piece of Mr. Nathanielz. It gives the impression as all his previous similar pieces that Filipinos are sent out to slaughter (which is partly true), and omits the opposing lanes of the multi-directional freeway.
The arrangements are clearly quid pro quo, and such deals are not really a scarcity anywhere in boxing.
Thais are not the only favorite fare of promising Filipino fighters: recently there are the Indonesians, and in years past there were Koreans and Japanese.
Last year, two Africans--Vuyisle Bebe and Obote Ameme-- came over to be stopped by Rey Bautista. Ameme had been stopped twice in his last four fights prior to meeting Bautista (he won the other two on points) and Bebe had lost three of his four previous fights, with one No Contest.
It was not only Filipinos who fed their prospect Bautista his diet of warm bodies: in 2002, Boom Boom went all the way to Japan where Hirokatsu Yamazaki was fed by his own compatriots to Bautista in Tokyo. The foregone conclusion came in the third round, and Yamazaki raised his loss record to 11-- one more than his total wins of 10.
In June last year, a Mexican from Ciudad Obregon, named Gilberto Bolanos, went to Cebu (an island province in the middle of the Philippine archipelago) with a record of only 4 wins and 7 losses to face Bautista. He refused to come out for the 7th (or, was it 6th?) round.
The Elorde ward, Juanito Rubillar, who is reportedly all but dying to face Viloria, has had his own diet of Thai, Korean and Japanese meat: Yuki Hashiguchi (Japanese), Jim Ho Kim (Korean), Fahsang Pongsawang (Thai), Takahiko Mizuno (Japanese), Takayoki Korogi (Japanese), Namchai Taksinisan (Thai), Katsumi Makiyama (Japanese), Samransak Singmanasak (Thai), among others. Only the Hashiguchi and Korogi fights were outside the Philippines (both were in Honolulu).
Joma Gamboa, also faced a number of Korean, Japanese and Thai fighters before facing Noel Arambulet twice (lost 1, won 1): Aswin Sithlakmuang, Chul Woo Lee, Toru Shimabukuro, Chaweng Sangklam, Woo-Hee Chang, Ryu Koroshima, etc.
I think part of what caused some of the arguments on this thread is in the title of the piece of Mr. Nathanielz. It gives the impression as all his previous similar pieces that Filipinos are sent out to slaughter (which is partly true), and omits the opposing lanes of the multi-directional freeway.
The arrangements are clearly quid pro quo, and such deals are not really a scarcity anywhere in boxing.
i would add that on this trading business of tomato cans/patsies the poor guys are the victim and we have more poor guys than Japan, Korea and Thailand ..
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