PBC/NBC done at the end of this year?

[Mitchell Kane]

Consider the source.

I ask for proof and site the biggest lying hater of them all.

What things has he lied about in regards to the PBC?

[ShoulderRoll]

McDonnell vs. Kameda was also good. It's undeniable that PBC have shown several solid fights and match-ups, but they need more blockbuster type of fights. For that to happen, they needs to a better job of building their stars. Thurman-Porter is a step in that direction, but what's also important is the match-ups that immediately follow for the winner and loser. The prime example of PBC's flaws is Quillin/Jacobs: a solid match-up between NY-based fighters that flopped. Look at their previous match-ups (Quillin vs. Lee/Zerafa, Jacobs vs. Truax/Mora) and then look at what happened afterward (Quillin is inactive and Jacobs postponed his Mora rematch which nobody is interested in anyway). Also, why put Quillin/Jacobs on Showtime if you've been building them up on free TV? I think Quillin/Jacobs was a missed opportunity.

Andre Dirrell vs James Degale was a good matchup as well.

You're right about the fights having to lead to something, there has to be a payoff down the road sometime for the fans to care.

Too many of the PBC matchups don't lead to anything so it seems like they don't really matter in the big picture. Just more randomness.

Probably the only time they have done it right is in building up Badou Jack vs Degale. But even then people aren't too hyped up over that matchup, sadly.

[Motorcity Cobra]

I read Jake as well, but I wouldn't limit my information to just one source.

I'm not saying rely on one source. I'm saying rely on a reliable source. And when it comes to PBC, Jake is usually spot on.

[kiaba360]

Andre Dirrell vs James Degale was a good matchup as well.

You're right about the fights having to lead to something, there has to be a payoff down the road sometime for the fans to care.

Too many of the PBC matchups don't lead to anything so it seems like they don't really matter in the big picture. Just more randomness.

Probably the only time they have done it right is in building up Badou Jack vs Degale. But even then people aren't too hyped up over that matchup, sadly.

PBC has definitely helped certain divisions clean up, but what happens after Jack/DeGale? What would be the winner's new goal? Maybe a rematch if the first fight is good enough, but then what? This speaks to the larger problem of how boxing is divided into islands. PBC has the biggest island, but even that has its limits and I don't think they've maximized their potential so far. Now that TR and PBC seem to be on good terms, maybe we'll get Ramirez vs. the winner. Boxing fans understand that stay-busys are necessary, but they have to be used sparingly and have a greater purpose to them. If it means that we get DeGale/Porky and Jack/Bute in order to build up to DeGale/Jack, that's reasonable. Porky and Bute also aren't horrible opposition to choose as stay-busys. However, if a guy like Jacobs is gonna follow up his biggest career win with inactivity and stay-busys, that just won't cut it. I also think Adonis' opponents aren't that horrible either, his biggest problem is inactivity. Fighting every 6-7 months is not enough to build these guys up imo. Adonis is 38, so his inactivity is understandable; however, these young guys shouldn't be fighting only twice a year, especially with the level of opposition they're facing.

I think we're now seeing how a large roster can become counter-productive. PBC is responsible for the well-being of so many boxers, that maybe the runners find it more difficult to make certain sacrifices for guys that have star potential. PBC allows guys to continually getting opportunities, but in order for the brand to grow, the potential stars (Garcia, Broner, Porter/Thurman, etc.) should be top priority.

P.S., what the hell happened with Devon Alexander? and why is Santa Cruz/Frampton happening in NYC?

[Thornton Melon]

Really? How has he bothched things? By providing us fights like Garcia/Peterson and Thurman/Guerrero, Santa Cruz/Mares, etc.? Please explain how PBC is any worse than the product being produced by Top Rank and Golden Boy Promotions! No one know WTF Haymon and PBC has done in their first 18 months. Anything that has been said is pure speculation and has no basis in fact since Al Haymon does talk to the media or reveal any information about his business dealings. For all we know, Haymon may be making a killing off the PBC.

Have you seen the July schedule for PBC on ESPN ? And you have the nerve to ask how he has botched it. Got the biggest platform for sports you can have and look what PBC has given us..........

[Bullrider]

Watching random fights with no end game in sight is no different from FNF types. Gone are the days when fans look forward to seeing winners fight winners.

[Thornton Melon]

Watching random fights with no end game in sight is no different from FNF types.

What about Saturday Primetime fights on the Main Network ? FNF was low budget on ESPN2.

[Bullrider]

What about Saturday Primetime fights on the Main Network ? FNF was low budget on ESPN2.

Fonfara vs Smith, what about it? That could have been a low budgeted FNF fight.

[Mitchell Kane]

I'm not saying rely on one source. I'm saying rely on a reliable source. And when it comes to PBC, Jake is usually spot on.

Jake's a good source, but he's not the only source, on the PBC, Schaefer, or anything else.

Both Steve Kim and Dan Rafeal have had some of the early information in recent days on Richard Schaefer, for example, though Jake's had some interesting tweets himself:

Jake Donovan @JakeNDaBox_v2 · Jun 22
Curious if the PBC promoters (excluding DiBella) who sided w/Schaefer in GBP mess still love him as much after Al tosses 'em out the boat

Jake Donovan @JakeNDaBox_v2 · Jun 22
NashvilleBoxing not really what I meant. Several blindly defended Schaefer & eagerly awaited his return. Didn't want to lump Lou in w them

Jake Donovan @JakeNDaBox_v2 · Jun 16
How would it be received if a promoter (not w/ PBC) started a league of its own on a major network? Asking because it's going to happen...

[The Big Dunn]

From Dan Rafael's chat:



http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat...ith-dan-rafael

This is after he reported this a week ago:



http://www.espn.co.uk/blog/dan-rafae...vyweight-title

This is sad imo but expected given the ratings. I hope this makes haymon put on better cards on espn and the other channels he has relationships with.