Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter: Saunders Not Interested, Eubank Possible

[Ake-Dawg]

I disagree.

Just like Hagler, GGG is a small MW and I don't know how it will work well for him to move up to 175.

+ moving up because you can't secure big fights is just like admitting defeat on the "promoting field" wich is fishy.

What about firing Loeffler and K2 and getting a new promoter?

Loeffler seems to be unqualified to secure those big fights.

They need to invest on GGG and maybe overpay BJS and Jacobs to get some shine and sell future PPV events.

That's called promoting, it seems like Loeffler doesn't want to invest a single dollar and work more like an accountant than a "marketing" promoter.

There are big fights to be done at 160, and you will see, big stars like Andrade, Big Charlo, Nelo (from 155) will move up soon to 160.
They are quite young and big and will have too IMO.

They are plenty of fights to be done around 160, leaving this division is leaving a big stack of money.

168, you have 3 fighters and that's it + Jack is moving up soon.

I wouldn't say small MW. More like average. That shouldn't preclude moving up though. Think Pacquiao and Mayweather or even Cotto.

I agree there are future stars of the MW division that currently fight at 154. Will Golovkin be at the top of the heap 3 years from now when they arrive?

Loeffler is an intriguing discussion. He seems incapable of foreseeing the perspective of other promoters and fighters and thus isn't doing a great job of promoting Golovkin. His negotiating position seems to be taken it or leave it when he hasn't had much leverage. No one misses out on big money or an opportunity to build their name by not fighting Golovkin. Most of the MW guys have other options for good money and are young enough to get any lost money or lost "opportunity" back.

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lets continue to believe Loeffler, the man who has done a great job at marketing and making believers while putting GGg with no threats his entire run.

You guys want Saunders to hand over his belt for penny's on the dollar. F.uck that like anyone here would do that. Loeffler claimed the ultimate goal was all the belts because that's the only believable explanation why They p.ussy footed around a actual challenge ( Ward ) that would actually solidify his claim as P4P . Put your $ where your mouth is and Overpay for the opprotunity to get all the straps

I don't mind a Eubanks fight, It's acceptable but let's be honest right now he's still Saunders leftovers and Eubanks hasn't beaten anyone worth a damn since that fight to change that.

Why would K2 overpay a cent for that belt? Sure, GGG wants it - winning in the ring against a fighter. Will buying that belt in the shop have any true value? Is there anyone now who doubts GGG is undisputable 160 champ? No sane person does. That belt has ZERO market value added to GGG. I say Warren wants anything above $1 million - K2 reasonably answers "go **** yourself" and picks Eubank. Eubank wins 'cause he gets in the ring with DA CHAMP to get a boxing lesson, international exposure and all power to say "BJS quack-quack, I am true warrior" taking fans from BJS in GB. GGG wins 'cause he actually is fighting a top10 MW (btw, pls don't ever mention Ward again until he stops "tuning-up") and adds another brit to his resume extending his own fanbase.

UPD: btw, no one even begins to consider GGG-BJS fight as an opportunity for BJS to become the undisputed. In what moronic universe THE CHAMP has to overpay a contender? That's the idea Loeffler should start to promote.

[Ake-Dawg]

Why would K2 overpay a cent for that belt? Sure, GGG wants it - winning in the ring against a fighter. Will buying that belt in the shop have any true value? Is there anyone now who doubts GGG is undisputable 160 champ? No sane person does. That belt has ZERO market value added to GGG. I say Warren wants anything above $1 million - K2 reasonably answers "go **** yourself" and picks Eubank.

Loeffler passed up opportunities for big exposure fights to chase ALL the belts. The value is in the lost revenue. Saunders is worth much more than 1 million, especially if the fight is in the UK.

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Loeffler passed up opportunities for big exposure fights to chase ALL the belts. The value is in the lost revenue. Saunders is worth much more than 1 million, especially if the fight is in the UK.

1. Loeffler did what his fighter wanted.
2. What opportunities for big exposure did Loeffler pass up? Exactly?

[Ake-Dawg]

1. Loeffler did what his fighter wanted.
2. What opportunities for big exposure did Loeffler pass up? Exactly?

Ward at 168, Froch at 170-172, Brook at 157. I'm not saying the decision to pass on those fights was bad. They were passed up though.

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Ward at 168, Froch at 170-172, Brook at 157. I'm not saying the decision to pass on those fights was bad. They were passed up though.

Well... I'll try to keep polite... after these "big exposure names passed up" I believe there is no point in further discussion since in my view you either lack any human reason or are just a hopeless troll/hypoctrite.. Good luck!

[R_Walken]

Why would K2 overpay a cent for that belt? Sure, GGG wants it - winning in the ring against a fighter. Will buying that belt in the shop have any true value? Is there anyone now who doubts GGG is undisputable 160 champ? No sane person does. That belt has ZERO market value added to GGG. I say Warren wants anything above $1 million - K2 reasonably answers "go **** yourself" and picks Eubank. Eubank wins 'cause he gets in the ring with DA CHAMP to get a boxing lesson, international exposure and all power to say "BJS quack-quack, I am true warrior" taking fans from BJS in GB. GGG wins 'cause he actually is fighting a top10 MW (btw, pls don't ever mention Ward again until he stops "tuning-up") and adds another brit to his resume extending his own fanbase.

I honestly don't get what your saying

Ever since they retracted on the whole 154-168 ( except Ward ) statement, the line was we want all the belts. His team had the nerve to say they'd rather have Canelos belt then his scalp. His team has essentially bought 2 belts already from the store yet here we are with his fans chomping on the bit to get the final peice to complete the colection but it holds no market value ,I doubt that .there's 1 strap left and Saunders holds it so if you want it , then fight on Saunders turf and overpay for it, Saunders has some leverage.

Yeah agree GGGs top dog in his division there's no debate but him fighting ,Eubanks isn't really a win for him it's just a step up from fighting Wade/Monroe caliber . I somewhat like the fight but it's no Win / Win its just acceptable

Dude who has Eubanks beat since he lost to Saunders, Spike O Sullivan, Blackwell , Chudinov . Seriously who the f.uck is Doran. Almost all of these are b side UK domestic fighters. I like Eubanks but he is still Saunders leftovers and we don't know how good he actually is because they only time he somewhat stepped up he lost a close decision . He's done well since and looked impressive but I don't care if he's ranked in the top 10 for beating on domestics, he's still unproven. Eubanks will take the fight because it's all upside if he loses well he was supposed to and he'll get a decent payday , he wins he pulls off a huge upset

But don't act like stepping in the ring will gaurentee to enhance Eubanks career. I think Monroe / Stevens / Wade / Rubio / Geale would disagree it didn't really enhance theirs. Yeah if Eubanks gets the W or gives a respectable performance it will help but if he gets a$$ ****ed and brutalized and quits his career isn't enhanced it could very well be over.

BTW Ward will be fighting Kov in Nov , you know taking on a challenge something K2 refuses to do with their fighter

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I honestly don't get what your saying

Ever since they retracted on the whole 154-168 ( except Ward ) statement, the line was we want all the belts. His team had the nerve to say they'd rather have Canelos belt then his scalp. His team has essentially bought 2 belts already from the store yet here we are with his fans chomping on the bit to get the final peice to complete the colection but it holds no market value ,I doubt that .there's 1 strap left and Saunders holds it so if you want it , then fight on Saunders turf and overpay for it, Saunders has some leverage.

Yeah agree GGGs top dog in his division there's no debate but him fighting ,Eubanks isn't really a win for him it's just a step up from fighting Wade/Monroe caliber . I somewhat like the fight but it's no Win / Win its just acceptable

Dude who has Eubanks beat since he lost to Saunders, Spike O Sullivan, Blackwell , Chudinov . Seriously who the f.uck is Doran. Almost all of these are b side UK domestic fighters. I like Eubanks but he is still Saunders leftovers and we don't know how good he actually is because they only time he somewhat stepped up he lost a close decision . He's done well since and looked impressive but I don't care if he's ranked in the top 10 for beating on domestics, he's still unproven. Eubanks will take the fight because it's all upside if he loses well he was supposed to and he'll get a decent payday , he wins he pulls off a huge upset

But don't act like stepping in the ring will gaurentee to enhance Eubanks career. I think Monroe / Stevens / Wade / Rubio / Geale would disagree it didn't really enhance theirs. Yeah if Eubanks gets the W or gives a respectable performance it will help but if he gets a$$ ****ed and brutalized and quits his career isn't enhanced it could very well be over.

BTW Ward will be fighting Kov in Nov , you know taking on a challenge something K2 refuses to do with their fighter

I will repeat again and again: why does everyone's mind just snap to 2013-2014 when GGG name comes up? Forget the 154-168 bs, that was said when K2 was trying to get exposure, it was YEARS ago.
U r absolutely right that fighting Eubank is not like fighting BJS and/or Canelo, but still IS acceptable which - will you agree? - is a win in GGG situation (no one to get in the ring). The problem is that people still look at GGG as a contender who needs to prove himself against somebody. Every "established personality" with interests will feed you this ****. Can you imagine Oscar/BiHop saying "GGG is an established proven champ"? NEVER, 'cause it will give K2 territory. The reality is that GGG has established himself as an undisputed 160 champ an he's got belts to prove it. You say k2 bought it? I say every other champ sold 'em and gave them up - with Canelo being the recent. I'll give you a perfect example of Freddie Roach who talked **** about GGG while Cotto held WBC belt: "oh, he is guarded", "Pac did not recognize GGG", "GGG is nice, but he needs opposition". And look at his talk now when the pinky is retired: GGG is p4p #1!

My point: everyone has agenda. Look at the current state of things for yourself and stop clinging to the **** from years ago. If GB gave Canelo to GGG this year, they would bet their whole ****ing lot on the result and everyone knows the chances of winning against GGG. Be real: right now only Kovalev and Ward may be considered true opposition for Golovkin and neither of them will be able to make 168. Fanboys will tell you that GGG is 3 division champ, I say Loeffler needs to evolve his marketing from "we seek fights" to "who wants to take THE test?" Which means fighting Eubank is a win. And there's no value in overpaying BJS, on the contrary, it will hurt GGG (and boxing as a sport, actually).

On the list of those names - actually, I believe Stevens learned from the GGG fight and can be considered a good MW. A Lemiux-Stevens fight would be awesome. Winner gets Canelo, next winner gets GGG - a good story in my book.

Oh, yes, about Ward. I wish he fights Kovalev in November, I truly wish. Until then... Let's not mention him, ok? It's just he does nothing and has done nothing since 2012 boxing-wise to be mentioned.

[R_Walken]

I will repeat again and again: why does everyone's mind just snap to 2013-2014 when GGG name comes up? Forget the 154-168 bs, that was said when K2 was trying to get exposure, it was YEARS ago.
U r absolutely right that fighting Eubank is not like fighting BJS and/or Canelo, but still IS acceptable which - will you agree? - is a win in GGG situation (no one to get in the ring). The problem is that people still look at GGG as a contender who needs to prove himself against somebody. Every "established personality" with interests will feed you this ****. Can you imagine Oscar/BiHop saying "GGG is an established proven champ"? NEVER, 'cause it will give K2 territory. The reality is that GGG has established himself as an undisputed 160 champ an he's got belts to prove it. You say k2 bought it? I say every other champ sold 'em and gave them up - with Canelo being the recent. I'll give you a perfect example of Freddie Roach who talked **** about GGG while Cotto leld WBC belt: "oh, he is guarded", "Pac did not recognize GGG", "GGG is nice, but he needs opposition". And look at his talk now when the pinky is retired: GGG is p4p #1!

My point: everyone has agenda. Look at the current state of things for yourself and stop clinging to the **** from years ago. If GB gave Canelo to GGG this year, they would bet their whole ****ing lot on the result and everyone knows the chances of winning against GGG. Be real: right now only Kovalev and Ward may be considered true opposition for Golovkin and neither of them will be able to make 168. Fanboys will tell you that GGG is 3 division champ, I say Loeffler needs to evolve his marketing from "we seek fights" to "who wants to THE test?" Which means fighting Eubank is a win.

On the list of those names - actually, I believe Stevens learned from the GGG fight and can be considered a good MW. A Lemiux-Stevens fight would be awesome. Winner gets Canelo, next winner gets GGG - a good story in my book.

Oh, yes, about Ward. I wish he fights Kovalev in November, I truly wish. Until then... Let's not mention him, ok? It's just he does nothing and has done nothing since 2012 boxing-wise to be mentioned.

Great F.ucking post . it was a great break down and opinion

I'll agree with ypu about certain fighters selling their belts. Honestly though I can see why certain fighters avoid him I give Martinez a pass because he wanted a higher profile / bigger $ fight to finish his career and in my opinion Cotto was never a MW and fighting Canelo made more economical sense. I can't really hate on those 2 for going aftr the $ instead of getting in the ring with Gennady and getting murdered on their way out the door after putting together great careers and I don't have a problem with Saunders wanting top dollar for most likely his execution and to lose the only thing that gives him a chance to be as Malignaggi says the circle of trust with his belt.

Yeah I agree with you , Eubanks is a acceptable fight, and if it's made props to Chris for taking on that challenge because most won't. Definite upgrade from GGGs last 2/3 opponets

I'm a fan of Gennady and he's Obviously wears the crown at 160 no one can deny that and the fact that the only names mentioned as competitive fights are Kov / Ward should let everyone know he's the real deal even if he doesn't have the names.

Your right everybody does have a agenda from Roach saying that to Hopkins suggesting he fights KOv so they don't have to put Canelo in with him

Agree 1000% about Loeffler changing up his marketing, like what you wrote makes sense to me

Stevens I don't really agree, I mean the guy is a good / decent MW but his profile wasn't raised because of that fight he went on to BKB and was put in as filler against the Argentinian but did well so he deserves another opprotunity to shine . I'd be down for Stevens / Lemieux

Again great post man.

[Swatty]

I disagree.

Just like Hagler, GGG is a small MW and I don't know how it will work well for him to move up to 175.

Hopkins did it, but Hopkins is a sixt footer and Tarver and Jean Pascal ain't no Ward and Kova.
And Hopkins did it after milking 160 with unification fights + DLH and Tito fights.

+ moving up because you can't secure big fights is just like admitting defeat on the "promoting field" wich is fishy.

What about firing Loeffler and K2 and getting a new promoter?

Loeffler seems to be unqualified to secure those big fights.

They need to invest on GGG and maybe overpay BJS and Jacobs to get some shine and sell future PPV events.

That's called promoting, it seems like Loeffler doesn't want to invest a single dollar and work more like an accountant than a "marketing" promoter.


There are big fights to be done at 160, and you will see, big stars like Andrade, Big Charlo, Nelo (from 155) will move up soon to 160.
They are quite young and big and will have too IMO.

They are plenty of fights to be done around 160, leaving this division is leaving a big stack of money.

168, you have 3 fighters and that's it + Jack is moving up soon.

Exactly. Pay more now, reap more later.