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  • doninlouisiana
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    #51
    Originally posted by Vitar
    I will repeat again and again: why does everyone's mind just snap to 2013-2014 when GGG name comes up? Forget the 154-168 bs, that was said when K2 was trying to get exposure, it was YEARS ago.
    U r absolutely right that fighting Eubank is not like fighting BJS and/or Canelo, but still IS acceptable which - will you agree? - is a win in GGG situation (no one to get in the ring). The problem is that people still look at GGG as a contender who needs to prove himself against somebody. Every "established personality" with interests will feed you this ****. Can you imagine Oscar/BiHop saying "GGG is an established proven champ"? NEVER, 'cause it will give K2 territory. The reality is that GGG has established himself as an undisputed 160 champ an he's got belts to prove it. You say k2 bought it? I say every other champ sold 'em and gave them up - with Canelo being the recent. I'll give you a perfect example of Freddie Roach who talked **** about GGG while Cotto held WBC belt: "oh, he is guarded", "Pac did not recognize GGG", "GGG is nice, but he needs opposition". And look at his talk now when the pinky is retired: GGG is p4p #1!

    My point: everyone has agenda. Look at the current state of things for yourself and stop clinging to the **** from years ago. If GB gave Canelo to GGG this year, they would bet their whole ****ing lot on the result and everyone knows the chances of winning against GGG. Be real: right now only Kovalev and Ward may be considered true opposition for Golovkin and neither of them will be able to make 168. Fanboys will tell you that GGG is 3 division champ, I say Loeffler needs to evolve his marketing from "we seek fights" to "who wants to take THE test?" Which means fighting Eubank is a win. And there's no value in overpaying BJS, on the contrary, it will hurt GGG (and boxing as a sport, actually).

    On the list of those names - actually, I believe Stevens learned from the GGG fight and can be considered a good MW. A Lemiux-Stevens fight would be awesome. Winner gets Canelo, next winner gets GGG - a good story in my book.

    Oh, yes, about Ward. I wish he fights Kovalev in November, I truly wish. Until then... Let's not mention him, ok? It's just he does nothing and has done nothing since 2012 boxing-wise to be mentioned.
    Outstanding post!

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    • sicko
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      #52
      BJS completely blowing Smoke to NOBODY surprise!

      I hope Eubanks is series and this is not just Eddie Hearn once again using the names of others to promotion his guys.

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      • bluzi
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        #53
        Originally posted by Ake-Dawg
        Ward at 168, Froch at 170-172, Brook at 157. I'm not saying the decision to pass on those fights was bad. They were passed up though.
        Dude are you living in a different universe then us? where did the 157 brook bull**** came from first time i ever hear about it? or the Froch 170-172 ? Even the 168 is in dispute because when he wanted it Ward said NO and thats a fact!

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          #54
          Originally posted by BillyBoxing
          I disagree.

          Just like Hagler, GGG is a small MW and I don't know how it will work well for him to move up to 175.

          Hopkins did it, but Hopkins is a sixt footer and Tarver and Jean Pascal ain't no Ward and Kova.
          And Hopkins did it after milking 160 with unification fights + DLH and Tito fights.

          + moving up because you can't secure big fights is just like admitting defeat on the "promoting field" wich is fishy.

          What about firing Loeffler and K2 and getting a new promoter?


          Loeffler seems to be unqualified to secure those big fights.

          They need to invest on GGG and maybe overpay BJS and Jacobs to get some shine and sell future PPV events.

          That's called promoting, it seems like Loeffler doesn't want to invest a single dollar and work more like an accountant than a "marketing" promoter.


          There are big fights to be done at 160, and you will see, big stars like Andrade, Big Charlo, Nelo (from 155) will move up soon to 160.
          They are quite young and big and will have too IMO.

          They are plenty of fights to be done around 160, leaving this division is leaving a big stack of money.

          168, you have 3 fighters and that's it + Jack is moving up soon.
          Firing Loeffler is a terrible idea. He's done an amazing job. It's not like any of the big promoters have much talent at 160. Signing with GBP would be like being back with Universum, both had a guy that was much easier to market who'd be protected from Ggg.

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          • BoxingIsGreat
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            #55
            Originally posted by BillyBoxing
            I disagree.

            Just like Hagler, GGG is a small MW and I don't know how it will work well for him to move up to 175.

            Hopkins did it, but Hopkins is a sixt footer and Tarver and Jean Pascal ain't no Ward and Kova.
            And Hopkins did it after milking 160 with unification fights + DLH and Tito fights.

            + moving up because you can't secure big fights is just like admitting defeat on the "promoting field" wich is fishy.

            What about firing Loeffler and K2 and getting a new promoter?


            Loeffler seems to be unqualified to secure those big fights.

            They need to invest on GGG and maybe overpay BJS and Jacobs to get some shine and sell future PPV events.

            That's called promoting, it seems like Loeffler doesn't want to invest a single dollar and work more like an accountant than a "marketing" promoter.


            There are big fights to be done at 160, and you will see, big stars like Andrade, Big Charlo, Nelo (from 155) will move up soon to 160.
            They are quite young and big and will have too IMO.

            They are plenty of fights to be done around 160, leaving this division is leaving a big stack of money.

            168, you have 3 fighters and that's it + Jack is moving up soon.
            I agree with you on the promotional part. That guy seems more like he works for GBP than K2. For the rest, I'm not so sure.
            Last edited by BoxingIsGreat; 06-23-2016, 01:24 PM.

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            • BoxingIsGreat
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              #56
              Originally posted by My Low Place
              at this point porky medina would be something to die for, but he's going to keep on waiting for canelo to tell him when to take his panties off...
              I mentioned Medina because I actually thought he had a claim to beating DeGale. I was impressed by DeGale's skills and heart. I think Porky is someone K2 can afford, as well!

              Who promotes Medina? Any idea?
              Last edited by BoxingIsGreat; 06-23-2016, 01:50 PM.

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                #57
                Originally posted by BoxingIsGreat
                I mentioned Medina because I actually thought he had a claim to beating DeGale. I was impressed by DeGale's skills and heart. I think Porky is someone K2 can afford, as well! Who promotes Medina? Any idea?
                i agree with you i'd watch porky based on wat he showed..i think u misunderstood me..not a great opponent but fresh start at 168 whre men likely wont act like women towards him

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                • My Low Place
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by BillyBoxing
                  Some much of that Porky Medina, OK he gave DeGale a tough fight.

                  But you guys accusing GGG of having a poor record... is Porky really "padding" this record?

                  Porky is kinda 168 Salidos version, a man who can gives you hell but if you beat him, "you just beat a bum who already lost x times to unknown guys".

                  Beating Porky won't help GGG, would be a fun fight agreed.
                  surely not a legacy fight but maybe a step in the right direction..the man needs to leave 160 and quit waiting on these ppl

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by My Low Place
                    i agree with you i'd watch porky based on wat he showed..i think u misunderstood me..not a great opponent but fresh start at 168 whre men likely wont act like women towards him
                    I'm with you on Medina being a good fight to test the waters at 168. I honestly am not sure he can beat Porky.

                    One thing is for sure: it would be a real bruising fight like DeGale. Medina is no joke. He made me into a fan with his big heart and never-die attitude. What was supposed to be DeGale's showcase fight turned into the opposite.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by bluzi
                      Dude are you living in a different universe then us? where did the 157 brook bull**** came from first time i ever hear about it? or the Froch 170-172 ? Even the 168 is in dispute because when he wanted it Ward said NO and thats a fact!
                      It's not hard to use Google to research. Brook was looking for a CW fight (it was a range of like 156-158) with Golovkin similar to Alvarez but K2 said 160 only. Froch said 168 was hard for him but 172 was a go during an interview he did with Loeffler standing right beside him. And the only thing under debate is whether Ward was willing to come down to 164. A weight above 168 was never discussed. Thus, K2 passed on Ward at 168.

                      As far as Ward saying No? Where are you getting your facts? You have to get an official offer to say no.

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