No Canelo-GGG this year. Sept 2017 more realistic

[_Maxi]

i have no problem admitting that, but you still ignore the rest of my post...

It's a shame that your man has been fighting at 155 since five fights ago. WTF. Make 154 or make 160.

[boliodogs]

I seriously doubt Canelo will ever fight GGG. The other 160 pound champions with the exception of Lemieux all refused to fight GGG. Maybe Eubanks will fight GGG the way he says he will.

[VoodooChild]

i have no problem admitting that, but you still ignore the rest of my post...

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but you seem to ignore that 155 is a CW used by JMWs not MWs... Again the rest of the world considered canelo-lara a CW fight not a MW fight...

Ya it's been used by JMW to test the waters, doesn't change the fact that it's still a CW fought in the MW division. Canelo-Lara was a CW AND a MW fight... can you admit that now??!!

[icha]

It's a shame that your man has been fighting at 155 since five fights ago. WTF. Make 154 or make 160.

first is not my man, and i agree make 154 or 160, but to act like CW fights are evil and no one does that, you act like you are new to boxing...

[icha]

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Ya it's been used by JMW to test the waters, doesn't change the fact that it's still a CW fought in the MW division. Canelo-Lara was a CW AND a MW fight... can you admit that now??!!

i admitt the bolded, as for the canelo-lara fight, find me one reliable boxing insider that considered that fight a MW fight instead of a CW fight and then i will change my tune..
a CW fight at 155 is not the same as a MW fight, it falls between the limits but is not the same, ask ggg about it...

[VoodooChild]

i admitt the bolded, as for the canelo-lara fight, find me one reliable boxing insider that considered that fight a MW fight instead of a CW fight and then i will change my tune..
a CW fight at 155 is not the same as a MW fight, it falls between the limits but is not the same, ask ggg about it...

I'll settle for that, a CW fight fought in the MW division. Agreed?

[Motorcity Cobra]

it really doesnt matter, still a CW, not a weight class... is a CW used by JMWs not MWs...

So Cotto was a JMW when Canelo fought him at 155? Was Cotto a JMW or MW when he fought Geale at 157 and Martinez at 159? And why didn't he fight Khan at 154?

[boliodogs]

1 pound over Jr Middleweight don't make you a middleweight. And I could care less what belt he held we have seen tons of fighters hold belts in weight classes that wasn't their real weights. And he threw the belt in the trash so that angle means nothing now anyway. If he can still make 154 then he damn sure doesn't and shouldn't go to 160. It's GGG who said he could go to 154 and is the B side so that fool should be the one going down in weight to fight Canelo. Otherwise sit and weight until he is ready to move to 160. Canelo is only 25 he has nothing but time on his hands.

GGG if he had better management around him advising him he would of dropped whatever weight to get canelo now or moved up for bigger fish a year ago. Instead he is just wasting years fighting bums like Wade. The big money is north and south of 160 but he stuck at a dead weight with no relevant fights.

GGG did the right thing by standing his ground and insisting a fight for the world middleweight title be fought at the traditional and correct 160 pound weight limit. GGG has the WBC middleweight title now which was all he wanted in the first place. He doesn't need Canelo any more. He will make good money being the most active and exciting champion in boxing and fighting at his natural weight. His management is doing fine. Canelo is the only really big money fight he is missing because Canelo won't fight him. He can make just as much money fighting at 160 as he can fighting at 154 or 168, neither of which is his best fighting weight.

[bigdunny1]

GGG did the right thing by standing his ground and insisting a fight for the world middleweight title be fought at the traditional and correct 160 pound weight limit. GGG has the WBC middleweight title now which was all he wanted in the first place. He doesn't need Canelo any more. He will make good money being the most active and exciting champion in boxing and fighting at his natural weight. His management is doing fine. Canelo is the only really big money fight he is missing because Canelo won't fight him. He can make just as much money fighting at 160 as he can fighting at 154 or 168, neither of which is his best fighting weight.

Really then why today is he still trying to negotiate a fight with Canelo despite the fact he already has the empty WBC belt? And why was he trying to fight Manny and Floyd at 154 despite the fact neither has a Middleweight title? And years ago he was talking about moving up and fighting Chavez without a single belt being on the line? Because fighting those guys is more important then any damn belt. More money and he can cross over to PPV star with fights and wins against these guys. Or he can fight bums like Wade and win vacant belt after vacant belt while nobody cares on regular HBO.

His management is doing fine with him basically wasting 2 years begging Canelo and Cotto for fights? And both not happening. And now he likely will have to wait ANOTHER year for MAYBE a fight with Canelo. At his age he can't afford to waste years fighting bums like Wade and Monroe. I have no doubt if he was with a better promoter he would of done what tons of fighters in his situation do when there is no big money fights at your weight. You move up or down to get bigger better fights. Instead they advised him to just sit and wait at 160.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Really then why today is he still trying to negotiate a fight with Canelo despite the fact he already has the empty WBC belt? And why was he trying to fight Manny and Floyd at 154 despite the fact neither has a Middleweight title? And years ago he was talking about moving up and fighting Chavez without a single belt being on the line? Because fighting those guys is more important then any damn belt. More money and he can cross over to PPV star with fights and wins against these guys. Or he can fight bums like Wade and win vacant belt after vacant belt while nobody cares on regular HBO.

Finally we can agree. It's the same reason he's travelling to face Eubank but wouldn't travel to face Saunders. Frank Warren couldn't afford him and GGG couldn't afford to bring Saunders here. It's not about the belt. It's never been about the belts. When Tom Loeffler says they will postpone their quest for a belt for a big money fight, that tells you right there it's not about the belts. It's about the money.