The Truth Is, Alvarez will neutralize that "Jab!" from Golovkin

[HeroBando]

Canelo could of had 30 lbs on Floyd don't matter that's not his style of fighting to just rush in and smother you. Who has he ever done that to? Like do you get that fighters have different styles or don't you? Has literally nothing to do with the chin or weight.

If 154 was as terrible during angulo and kirkland time as 160 is they would of won vacant belts and been a paper champ like Lemieux. Instead during their time floyd, cotto, and canelo owned all the belts. These guys are all basic brawlers with no defense all at points have been top 10 ranked in their weight classes and all lose when they face better comp. The difference is when ggg faces them you wash his balls when canelo does oh they just bums.*Lemieux winning a vacant belt against a fighter some didn't even have in their top 10 rankings at the time for a vacant belt in a weak division don't mean anything. And if we going purely by world champs since technically Lemieux one of the few that ggg has beat then Canelo is the god compared to ggg he has already beaten more then double the amount of world champs in his career at 24 then ggg has and he's 34.

No dude those guys aren't winning titles at MW if they can barely get past Jorge Silva, or get to round 2 vs Ishida. In any case Canelos superior resume didn't give him the confidence to face the less proven mando and avoid being boxings laughing stock. What's your guess, when is he gonna be ready to challenge Ggg?

[muslimer12]

An inexperienced teenage canelo? Who never went down just momentarily stunned and then came back and knocked out cotto. Dont be ****** same idiot cotto fans used this escuse saying well the weak cotto brother stunned canelo when was teenager and Miguel hits a million times harder and is way more skilled so miguel will ko canelo. How did that work out? Bigger, stronger, better, HOF brother couldn't hurt grown man canelo and neither has anyone else.

I'm sure when GGG was a teenager somebody stunned him but that has no baring on today. Name someone who has hurt canelo since he was old enough to buy a beer? Or since he started fighting world class fighters? Canelo chin so damn good never been down or seriously hurt that you have to go back to when he was a teenager to find a single moment he was stunned and he wasnt staggered or dropped.

You said Canelo NEVER been hurt, i showed you a moment that he was. So you are wrong. Stop moving the goal post, now its staggered or dropped lol tbh the ropes kept Canelo from falling, he fell right into them. Canelo probably has a decent/good chin but thats not enough to take GGGs power.

[bigdunny1]

No dude those guys aren't winning titles at MW if they can barely get past Jorge Silva, or get to round 2 vs Ishida. In any case Canelos superior resume didn't give him the confidence to face the less proven mando and avoid being boxings laughing stock. What's your guess, when is he gonna be ready to challenge Ggg?

Ggg gets laughed at for fighting bums who are mandatory like wade. I could care less about belts or mandatories I want to see great fights. And canelo has given us more then ggg and taken more risks fighting better comp given by his superior resume. So when Is ggg going to sacrafice in weight to make a real fight since all the better fighter are either above or below 160. What happened to 154 or 168?

And you don't think its harder beat real world champs like floyd, cotto or canelo to win a title then it is to win a vacant title against ndam? Garbage weight class and vacant title means nothing to me and you using that to prop up lemieux who is no better and no less crude then kirkland and angulo but when you fight bums like wade and Monroe and your resume is so thin I can see why you have to prop up lemieux as a great win. I'm not even arguing that kirkland or angulo are canelos best wins I'm saying if lemieux proves ggg has a great chin then kirkland and angulo do the same for canelo. Why the need for qualifiers to avoid just saying canelo ain't been hurt and has a good chin. He beat elite fighters and big time punchers and never been hurt.

[stefl14]

Stop it Kirkland, Lara, Trout, Angulo are every bit as big as Canelo. Matter fact all have fought at higher weight in their career then Canelo has. And everyone with the exception of maybe Lara walk around heavier in between fights then Canelo does. Nobody went into any of those fights complaining those guys are smaller then Canelo. Canelo KOd Kirkland and Angulo, dropped Trout who went into survival mode after knowing he was trailing in the fight conceding the loss and just trying to not get knocked out the last 3rd of that fight. So stop with he only fights smaller guys excuse those guys virtually the same size and only one who was not knocked out or dropped was Lara and that's because he shamed himself by running and refusing to fight. The reason these guys and others can't hit him is his defense is very good. Give the man his credit he moves his head and upper body very well, picks off punches with his gloves. Literally tons of examples and highlights of him moving his head and upper body making guys look silly as they hit air and the punch stats back up how difficult he is to hit. After he makes you miss he's got fast hands and accuracy to make you pay with counterpunching. He's one of the best counterpunchers right now. GGG can't make guys miss like canelo and is a easier target which is why he gets hit more despite facing weaker comp. And he doesn't jab anywhere as well as better jabers Canelo has faced.

Canelo barely threw against Mayweather and Mayweather hit him with basically everything. He had no trouble finding the target. Pacquiao threw a similar volume to Canelo against Mayweather (i.e. basically nothing) and Mayweather basically couldn't hit Pacquiao cleanly all night even though a lot of people on this forum say Pacquiao has no defense. This is despite Pac being the significantly smaller and therefore less powerful man than Canelo so that he provides much less of a deterrent. I didn't say Canelo has a weak defense but it's not some ATG **** and his footwork is horrific.

[HeroBando]

Ggg gets laughed at for fighting bums who are mandatory like wade. I could care less about belts or mandatories I want to see great fights. And canelo has given us more then ggg and taken more risks fighting better comp given by his superior resume. So when Is ggg going to sacrafice in weight to make a real fight since all the better fighter are either above or below 160. What happened to 154 or 168?

And you don't think its harder beat real world champs like floyd, cotto or canelo to win a title then it is to win a vacant title against ndam? Garbage weight class and vacant title means nothing to me and you using that to prop up lemieux who is no better and no less crude then kirkland and angulo but when you fight bums like wade and Monroe and your resume is so thin I can see why you have to prop up lemieux as a great win. I'm not even arguing that kirkland or angulo are canelos best wins I'm saying if lemieux proves ggg has a great chin then kirkland and angulo do the same for canelo. Why the need for qualifiers to avoid just saying canelo ain't been hurt and has a good chin. He beat elite fighters and big time punchers and never been hurt.

Not like Canelo who's turned into a punchline. Everybody's lampooning him, the Wbc want the taunts to stop.

Angulo and Kirkland could barely make 154 for years. If they could they would have grabbed a belt at Mw, for better money. But they didn't come close, and again were not contenders when they faced Canelo. Would be interesting to see Canelo vs decent punching contender at SWW like Andrade or Jrock or Jermall,if he's still too small for Lemieux or Jacobs at Mw, and not good enough for Ggg of course

[bigdunny1]

You said Canelo NEVER been hurt, i showed you a moment that he was. So you are wrong. Stop moving the goal post, now its staggered or dropped lol tbh the ropes kept Canelo from falling, he fell right into them. Canelo probably has a decent/good chin but thats not enough to take GGGs power.

Move the Goal post he was 19 years old the age most fighters like ggg are fighting amatures with head gear and getting stunned or dropped worst then canelo who was not close to going down he was momentarily stunned no more no less. Canelo was a kid learning to fight substituting amature career for learning on the job against adults. Getting stunned once as a teenager is the best you have to say canelo has only a decent chin? Fighting your entire career against better competition then ggg and never tasting the canvas and only being hurt once as a teenager and never once he graduated to fighting world class fighters in his 20s is not a decent chin. Then Floyd universally known for having a great chin really only has a decent chin because he was hurt not momentarily stunned by mosley saw his legs buckle and had to resort to holding to not go down for the rest of the round. And that was as a man not a child. By any unbias measure canelo has a great chin.

And when I say nobody has hurt him I'm clearly talking about against relevant fighters. I'm sure somebody has unseen footage of canelo at 16 getting stunned too that nobody has seen or cares about. But if it makes you happy ill amend and say since age 20 canelo has never been hurt and even as a damn teenager he has never been knocked down. When you have names like floyd, cotto, lara, trout, kirkland, angulo, ect and none have hurt you, then you have a great chin.

[bigdunny1]

Canelo barely threw against Mayweather and Mayweather hit him with basically everything. He had no trouble finding the target. Pacquiao threw a similar volume to Canelo against Mayweather (i.e. basically nothing) and Mayweather basically couldn't hit Pacquiao cleanly all night even though a lot of people on this forum say Pacquiao has no defense. This is despite Pac being the significantly smaller and therefore less powerful man than Canelo so that he provides much less of a deterrent. I didn't say Canelo has a weak defense but it's not some ATG **** and his footwork is horrific.

Marquez against floyd was hit 290 times by floyd and struggled to land just 69 punches. I guess Marquez aint no ATG since canelo landed double the punches of Marquez and hit by way fewer punchers. Yet Marquez owned manny a come forward aggressive fighter because of that elite counter punching. Its about the styles. Marquez and canelo are counter punchers which is a horrible style match up against floyd who is also a counter puncher and defensive wizard. It becomes a boring 12 round chess match and Floyd picks them off. Now what kind of fighter is ggg? Aggressive come forward with bad defense right into canelos counter punchers.

Edit* And don't lie about manny/floyd just looked up the numbers Here are the punch stats manny landed 81 punches out of 429 thrown at 19% connect rate. Canelo landed 117 out of 526 at 22% connect rate. Their volume was not the same Canelo threw 100 more punches landed more and at a slightly higher rate. Manny had a lot more movement but took less chances. Totally different styles and both still lost to floyd. Canelo style is all wrong for floyd but it's perfect for ggg. Kind of like Marquez was all wrong for floyd but perfect for manny.

[muslimer12]

Move the Goal post he was 19 years old the age most fighters like ggg are fighting amatures with head gear and getting stunned or dropped worst then canelo who was not close to going down he was momentarily stunned no more no less. Canelo was a kid learning to fight substituting amature career for learning on the job against adults. Getting stunned once as a teenager is the best you have to say canelo has only a decent chin? Fighting your entire career against better competition then ggg and never tasting the canvas and only being hurt once as a teenager and never once he graduated to fighting world class fighters in his 20s is not a decent chin. Then Floyd universally known for having a great chin really only has a decent chin because he was hurt not momentarily stunned by mosley saw his legs buckle and had to resort to holding to not go down for the rest of the round. And that was as a man not a child. By any unbias measure canelo has a great chin.

And when I say nobody has hurt him I'm clearly talking about against relevant fighters. I'm sure somebody has unseen footage of canelo at 16 getting stunned too that nobody has seen or cares about. But if it makes you happy ill amend and say since age 20 canelo has never been hurt and even as a damn teenager he has never been knocked down. When you have names like floyd, cotto, lara, trout, kirkland, angulo, ect and none have hurt you, then you have a great chin.

lol at since age 20. Also taking punches from floyd, lara, trout doesnt mean much lol cotto was too small. Kirkland and angulo had some good pop but then again they are kirkland and angulo not really belonged in a ring with canelo. Last time kirklnd didnt have ann wolf he got stopped in 1 round. Once Canelo feels GGGs power he will go full defensive and barely throw punches, his lack of footwork will fail him and he will just get hammered on the ropes till he gets KOd or the fight is stopped. GGG has taken much harder punches by bigger men and not flinched.

No point talking about this, Canelo isnt going to take this fight. If only he believed what you believe

[stefl14]

Marquez against floyd was hit 290 times by floyd and struggled to land just 69 punches. I guess Marquez aint no ATG since canelo landed double the punches of Marquez and hit by way fewer punchers. Yet Marquez owned manny a come forward aggressive fighter because of that elite counter punching. Its about the styles. Marquez and canelo are counter punchers which is a horrible style match up against floyd who is also a counter puncher and defensive wizard. It becomes a boring 12 round chess match and Floyd picks them off. Now what kind of fighter is ggg? Aggressive come forward with bad defense right into canelos counter punchers.

Edit* And don't lie about manny/floyd just looked up the numbers Here are the punch stats manny landed 81 punches out of 429 thrown at 19% connect rate. Canelo landed 117 out of 526 at 22% connect rate. Their volume was not the same Canelo threw 100 more punches landed more and at a slightly higher rate. Manny had a lot more movement but took less chances. Totally different styles and both still lost to floyd. Canelo style is all wrong for floyd but it's perfect for ggg. Kind of like Marquez was all wrong for floyd but perfect for manny.

Never ever use punch stats in an argument because they have proven to be absolute nonsense again and again. Use your eyes and look at clean punches. Floyd hit Canelo with loads of clean shots and hit Manny with barely any heavy clean shots throughout the whole fight, despite winning easily. You will never convince me that Canelo beats GGG or that he is a great defensive fighter because he isn't. He's a very good counter-puncher and a relatively good defensive fighter, but since he can't move his feet he simply won't be able to beat GGG imo. You clearly feel different but until they actually fight (which won't happen because Canelo is a ***** ducking coward who pretends he isn't as big as GGG when he's heavier on fight night) it's all conjecture.

[bluzi]

Marquez against floyd was hit 290 times by floyd and struggled to land just 69 punches. I guess Marquez aint no ATG since canelo landed double the punches of Marquez and hit by way fewer punchers. Yet Marquez owned manny a come forward aggressive fighter because of that elite counter punching. Its about the styles. Marquez and canelo are counter punchers which is a horrible style match up against floyd who is also a counter puncher and defensive wizard. It becomes a boring 12 round chess match and Floyd picks them off. Now what kind of fighter is ggg? Aggressive come forward with bad defense right into canelos counter punchers.

Edit* And don't lie about manny/floyd just looked up the numbers Here are the punch stats manny landed 81 punches out of 429 thrown at 19% connect rate. Canelo landed 117 out of 526 at 22% connect rate. Their volume was not the same Canelo threw 100 more punches landed more and at a slightly higher rate. Manny had a lot more movement but took less chances. Totally different styles and both still lost to floyd. Canelo style is all wrong for floyd but it's perfect for ggg. Kind of like Marquez was all wrong for floyd but perfect for manny.

Stef14 is taking you to school today , did you pack your lunchbag ? stop with all this nonsense , Canelo knows he isnt winning this fight hence -> he doesnt take it while being SHAMED by everyone in the sport , you dont just dump your belt and be a laughing stock "Come to the ring GGG , ill fight him at 160 , we dont f***k around" when you believe you are such a favorite or even 50/50 to win the fight.
I hope i am wrong and Canelo takes the fight ...... but i dont see it happening its another 147/154 kind of figther for him next and not a good one at that.