Comments Thread For: Arum on Lomachenko's Options: Salido, Vargas, Walters

[Mitchell Kane]

i'd pick sosa and marriaga over martinez..you do know martinez ducked his mandatory bc he felt he couldnt beat him right?

these are just facts brother..sosa and marriaga were both undefeated guys..not given a chance but just as good as a vargas imo..much better than a shot rocky...

fortuna vs sosa is later this month and it will not be an easy for for the very good fortuna..

so rethink yourself when u say walters has done nothing..he just didnt get gifted a easy ttitle like lomo bc he is not promoted hard as lomo is by TR..

Walters went from a title unification at 126 to contender at 130 while Lomachenko has become a two-division champion.

Lomachenko will probably get more of a purse split against Walters now than he would've gotten a year ago.

[tiliheels]

Loma had a good crowd on Saturday night. About 40% of the people went to see Loma. I know a lot of people that went to support Vasyl.
Walters fought in NY last year on the same weekend and weren't people leaving during his fight? I'm not saying it's right. I like watching Walters, but I clearly remember people leaving during the Walters-Marriaga fight.
That's why there was some worries for the Crawford-Lundy fight, some people thought they may start leaving during that fight just like they did for Walters. But Crawford had a strong fanbase and nobody left. Even the fans that didn't originally go see Crawford stayed for the rest of the card. Nobody left during the Loma-Martinez fight either. The crowd was alive.
Can't say the same for poor Nick.
I'm not saying Loma is a draw. He still isn't, but I tell you what. He draws better than Walters. He had a ton of support this past Saturday. And I'm sure he gained a lot of new fans after the fight.
The HI-TECH Kingdom is growing.

I don't see Loma fans saying Walters is ducking. Well, that's lie some crazy fans are saying that. Every fan base has crazy fans though.
However, I see more Walters fans saying Loma is scared and they've been saying it for a long time. Almost two years now, that's crazy. They've even gone as far as blaming Loma for Walters not being able to make the weight (126). Like how does that make sense?
I've been exposing these fans for while with FACTS....they don't seem to like it very much.

i had a friend in crowd..it was literally full arena vs 100 Ukraine guys

it was pr day parade in NY..verdejo was on the undercard and many pr's on the tr stream as well. man the arena was even full during the TR stream bro..


walters did not fight a rican in his main even...crawford is much more known than lomo or walters..crawford is a potential cross over star..

lomo and walters are the same guy except lomo has a loss and now has a title at 30....salido's belt actually.

[Mitchell Kane]

The fact of the matter is HBO had Walters the B side in an unfair split and favoring Loma as the A side.

The people controlling the money usually get to decide who's the A and B side.

Walters had leverage at 126, he had a title and Haymon controlled much of the division.

At 130, Walters has no title and Lomachenko has options.

[Lester Tutor]

If Walters wants to stay out of the ring and pull a Mikey Garcia and let his prime pass him by until he reaches the green pastures of Uncle AL(if uncle Al still has money) then so be it.

Dude stop trolling with irrelevant comparisons. If you want proper reasons know that Top Rank was the reason why Garcia put down his gloves because of low balling figures. This is the DEFINITIVE reason why Floyd publicized the emphathy for Garcia because it's old school Arum revisited. Arum was the reason Chavez Jr. and Lil'G never fought because of manipulation of contract extensions. Arum's old school he doesn't realize these old tactics of dialogue doesn't work on newer generation fans. Instead we get fans that are lost and point to PBC with some failed straw man tactics

[tiliheels]

Hmm then he should fight Loma cause it's the best money available to him by far, to get paid. Pouting doesn't pay anything

if the shoe was on the other foot tho...i wonder where these "shut up BOY and take the money" fans would be

and honestly with lomo having the loss..that is cause for walters to act a little Aside'ish...hell it isnt walters fault that salido beat him...

[HeroBando]

Not how business works. If you just take what they give you, you consistently get crap. Gotta get your money, even if it means holding out a little while. It's just the way it works.

I think the old PPV model worked when we had stars like Oscar, May, Manny, Cotto, etc. Boxing is suddenly scrambling to build new stars and I think it needs to look to the WWE and UFC model of giving you a guaranteed 2+ hours of entertainment. Fans are getting real weary of spending half a day's pay on 1 fight that may or may not be any good.

It works if you have enough leverage. If you have none, you end up marginalized and making way less. Nobody else in that division would scoff at 550k for a shot at Loma.

[tiliheels]

You can say Loma is over-payed just like I think floyd was over paid for fighting guys like Guerrero and Berto (but if bob and in floyds case showtime) agree to pay him the money who am i to blame them for taking it?

The case here is that Walters isn't being paid that amount and he's not in PBC which will reward you for fighting bums so he can either take what he's given and prove he's worth in the ring and shut up all the haters or he can cry about not being paid the same, continue fighting bums, letting his stock go down and pray uncle AL will accept him so he can fight all the bums he wants for big money.

The fighters today don't seem to understand that money doesn't come from thin air and you have to fight your way to becoming a star. Floyd, Pac, De la Hoya, Canelo, Cotto, Tyson and all the big money makers at one point in their careers fought the best until they were at the top and were able to pick and choose who to fight.

I could care less how much a boxer makes, and i care even less nowadays that the best don't fight the best. If your dealt a bad card in boxing just do what athletes in all other sports do. Fight the best, be the best, and the money will come. If Walters wants to stay out of the ring and pull a Mikey Garcia and let his prime pass him by until he reaches the green pastures of Uncle AL(if uncle Al still has money) then so be it. But he doesn't get to whine when there's a reasonable offer in front of him and he refuses to play ball crying that he's not being paid enough. He's not a big enough name or draw to command the money he wants(neither is Loma but he got lucky) and if he wants the big bucks then keep winning, make a name for yourself and then leave for greener pastures like Floyd, Oscar, and Cotto did.

i quit reading your argument when u compared a ppv star to a guy who doesnt have 1% of his fan base...

u have to be smarter than that...not only floyds fan base, but floyd accomplishments in boxing..u cannot negotiate on behalf of lomo using floyd as an example..and then tell walters hey u're nothing just like lomo, but u can only compare your sitation to nobodies..

money is coming from the air for lomo...even after a loss...so fighters dont understand that bc they see one guys is a infringement on the rules..and they say hey why him and not me...

so i blame that guy infringing on the norms..especially when he has already lost and the other guy is undefeated..and the only blemish to him is a BS draw..

i hope u can see where i am coming from bc im trying to be cool about this but it tics me off bc i know we are never seeign this fight, bc fighters dont like to be somebodyslave and their teams/agents wont allow them to be that for the most part.

[Lester Tutor]

Walters went from a title unification at 126 to contender at 130 while Lomachenko has become a two-division champion.

Lomachenko will probably get more of a purse split against Walters now than he would've gotten a year ago.

Walters is in a boxer's spell. The bout with Sosa was like a Lara vs Williams. Seems like HBO is content with their demographic strategy to keep Loma away from Walters. Did people brag when Pac beat David Diaz? Did David Diaz have a resume like Martinez?

It's common sense that it Walters was given a shot against Martinez it would've been the same scenario. How many times has Martinez lost that WBO? Fight was a gift opportunity for Loma. Lets be honest.

[tiliheels]

i see nick and arum in the court room real soon...

bob is potentially stealing one fighters prime.
he said "i chose to pay lomo more bc he's the better fighter."
they are things he told dontae's boxing nation.

walters is going to be in court with a case that his promoter did not give him equal opporutnities as his other fighters of the same caliber and popularity..

i think it is a smack in the face to walters wat bob has done for lomo but not for nick...i cant wrap my head around. im trying not to be mad at lomo for it, but at the end of the day lomo is accepting and not saying hey walters "we canf ight for even money" lets do it..

[HeroBando]

if the shoe was on the other foot tho...i wonder where these "shut up BOY and take the money" fans would be

and honestly with lomo having the loss..that is cause for walters to act a little Aside'ish...hell it isnt walters fault that salido beat him...

Lomas got his very high contract minimum and he's asking for a very small bump for Walters, like 15%. Walters wants 3x his career high to fight Loma. 550k is pretty good for a guy in his position