If the MW division is not competitive...

[SilverMiles]

Umm I'm American and far from a Canelo fan boy and 154 is better than 160. 160 has the best fighter but not the better overall top ten. I think J-Rock, Andrade, Jermall Charlo, and Lara could be big players at 160, and would favor them over a lot of guys at 160. Andrade beats anyone not named GGG, and the others would at worst be 50/50 fights with the likes of Saunders and Jacobs. They all beat the wheels off Quillen or Lee(barring his siganture game changer).

The division is'nt as bad as some make it out to be, but it is'nt stacked either. Remove GGG, and yes the division is highly competitive, but competitive does'nt make it good.

I don't see it. Everiyone in the division's unproven outside of Lara and Lara ceiling is very obvious. Andrade is good but hasn't proven as much as BJS or Murray. It's easy to say he beats them but until he actually shows it I can't give him that credit. I also think Eubank Jr gives him a tough outing.

J-Rock needs to prove himself. Charlo are slightly above average. Harrison is okay. Smith ran from 160. Vanes is confused. K9 is old.

Overall 160 is a superior division. It helps that GGG is P4P talent , But taking GGG out the mix the two division's are very even.

[SUBZER0ED]

Cotto's value supersedes Golovkin, and Alvarez was the challenger for that Lineal and WBC. To assume Alvarez would have interest at 160 and its protocols are a stretch, and as I told everyone months before the Khan bout was even in circulation, All Star Boxing and Golden Boy were having their court case. Therefore, the profits from the Khan bout provided some income security for at least continuing settlements or still play out the dispute in court regardless. None of that has to do with Gennady Golovkin other than industry and mando from the WBC providing more pressure for GBP agenda. Also, considering its K2 and Loeffler, it's easily assumed he wasn't going to be bullied as a B side, therefore, the bout didn't happen.

Can it still happen? Yes. Given all the circumstances, and perhaps the reason why Abel and Loeffler have stated on RECORD 2017 or 2018 shows the fiasco that GBP and Canelo are having with All Star.

It's unfortunate, but it is what it is, and it has nothing to do with Alvarez' opinion at 160. What statements can anybody find of Alvarez regarding 160? Or is it just about Golovkin? What about the WBO? What about Jacobs?

160 is a mess. Lil'G roiding behind doors and enjoying this funny limelight promoted by HBO is all good.. Alvarez will be around for a while!

"Cotto's value supersedes Golovkin." WTF does that even mean? Golovkin & Cotto both held belts in the same division, therefore the WBC made Golovkin Cotto's mandatory. Cotto knows he's not a MW & he knows that Golovkin would kill him. His ducking GGG has nothing to do with "value", except maybe Cotto "values" his ass & didn't want Golovkin to hand it to him.

You don't think Canelo & GBP would have made much more $$$ fighting Golovkin? But of course, the risk of a loss would have been greatly multiplied.

Can you prove Golovkin juices? Didn't think so.

[NearHypnos]

Cotto's value supersedes Golovkin, and Alvarez was the challenger for that Lineal and WBC. To assume Alvarez would have interest at 160 and its protocols are a stretch, and as I told everyone months before the Khan bout was even in circulation, All Star Boxing and Golden Boy were having their court case. Therefore, the profits from the Khan bout provided some income security for at least continuing settlements or still play out the dispute in court regardless. None of that has to do with Gennady Golovkin other than industry and mando from the WBC providing more pressure for GBP agenda. Also, considering its K2 and Loeffler, it's easily assumed he wasn't going to be bullied as a B side, therefore, the bout didn't happen.

Can it still happen? Yes. Given all the circumstances, and perhaps the reason why Abel and Loeffler have stated on RECORD 2017 or 2018 shows the fiasco that GBP and Canelo are having with All Star.

It's unfortunate, but it is what it is, and it has nothing to do with Alvarez' opinion at 160. What statements can anybody find of Alvarez regarding 160? Or is it just about Golovkin? What about the WBO? What about Jacobs?

160 is a mess. Lil'G roiding behind doors and enjoying this funny limelight promoted by HBO is all good.. Alvarez will be around for a while!

Well Canelo himself said he sees no real competition at 160. But that's beside the point.

160 is good. Neither of the Charlo brothers beat the top 160 guys going by their last fights. Andrade? I dont even remember what he fights like. Havent seen him in a long time. There is a HUGE jump in power from the current top 154 pounders and 160 pounders. 160 just looks bad in comparison to GGG but the division isn't so bad. Jacobs, Lemieux, GGG, even Kid Chocolate are flat out knockout punchers and aside from GGG (who has a different game) they're quick too. The weak link in the division is BJS imo and even then he'd be tough for any 54 guy. Currently, only Lara competes with a majority of them but Lara will always be fighting the judges too. Jermall would show a good account of himself with maybe Lemieux (due to lack of a jab...but good lord of Lemieux lands as often as Trout i feel bad) or BJS but I don't like his chances vs Kid chocolate or Jacobs much less GGG.

I really do like Andrade but I just have no faith in him anymore. At this point Liam smith is more intriguing but his resume is probably the only one worse than Andrades.

Let's be real... Canelo and Cotto are probaly the unofficial best 154 pounders with Lara. The rest just don't look like they match up.. They dont look ready. If Cotto and Canelo just flat out said they were at 154 now nobody would care about anyone else.

I dont think Cotto matches up well vs Lara though...


I do find myself intrigued by Liam though. Like his skillset but its easy to look that way vs his competition.

[bluebeam]

You don't know **** about boxing if you say 160 is better than 154.

Golovkin
Jacobs

Vs

Lara
Andrade
Charlo
Charlo
Williams
cotto


saunders is a bum so I didn't even count him and I will never count a fighter that got beat up by Marco Antonio Rubio (Lemieux )

160 has been dead for years. Even when sergio martinez was fighting the macklins and barkers of the world.

Outside of jacobs vs golovkin there isn't one middleweight fight that people wanna see.

Stop gassing the divison because golovkin fights there. It's only 2 legit middleweights. Golovkin and jacobs.

154 is deeper.

[boliodogs]

then why isn't Canelo fighting MWs at 160? if the MW's are so easy what's the deal?

could it be that they are tough but there's one MW that is making them look weak? perhaps?

Of course. GGG is a great fighter and much better than any other middleweight. The rest of the middleweights aren't weak but they aren't in GGG's class. Jacobs, Saunders, Eubanks, and Lemieux are good fighters and the best 154 pounders would have a hard time beating them. Lara constantly calls out GGG for free publicity but I don't see him trying to fight another top middleweight to prove his worth at 160.

[Real King Kong]

Anyone who's says 154 is better than 160 is either a Canelo fanboy or an American too prideful to admit the mostly American division is inferior to division ran by GGG.

I'm American myself but it's clear as day if GGG was at 154, he would rule the division. Some idiot just tried to convince me Vanes was better than both Lemule and Murray.

In my opinion Lara is #1 at 154 and would lose to GGG quite handily if they fought.

I like 154 better than 160 at the moment...it doesn't mean that the top fighters at 154 would beat the top fighters at 160 tho. I do expect that williams and possibly andrade will eventually campaign at mw and be better than the current crop outside ggg.

[bluebeam]

Of course. GGG is a great fighter and much better than any other middleweight. The rest of the middleweights aren't weak but they aren't in GGG's class. Jacobs, Saunders, Eubanks, and Lemieux are good fighters and the best 154 pounders would have a hard time beating them. Lara constantly calls out GGG for free publicity but I don't see him trying to fight another top middleweight to prove his worth at 160.

Prove his worth? Did adama,monroe,wade,rosado have to prove their worth?

Lara is the wba champ at 154 , he is ready to fight the baddest middleweight on the planet and you screaming he needs to prove his worth.

Smh

[boliodogs]

Cotto's value supersedes Golovkin, and Alvarez was the challenger for that Lineal and WBC. To assume Alvarez would have interest at 160 and its protocols are a stretch, and as I told everyone months before the Khan bout was even in circulation, All Star Boxing and Golden Boy were having their court case. Therefore, the profits from the Khan bout provided some income security for at least continuing settlements or still play out the dispute in court regardless. None of that has to do with Gennady Golovkin other than industry and mando from the WBC providing more pressure for GBP agenda. Also, considering its K2 and Loeffler, it's easily assumed he wasn't going to be bullied as a B side, therefore, the bout didn't happen.

Can it still happen? Yes. Given all the circumstances, and perhaps the reason why Abel and Loeffler have stated on RECORD 2017 or 2018 shows the fiasco that GBP and Canelo are having with All Star.

It's unfortunate, but it is what it is, and it has nothing to do with Alvarez' opinion at 160. What statements can anybody find of Alvarez regarding 160? Or is it just about Golovkin? What about the WBO? What about Jacobs?

160 is a mess. Lil'G roiding behind doors and enjoying this funny limelight promoted by HBO is all good.. Alvarez will be around for a while!

You aren't neutral and fair. You clearly hate GGG. If you didn't hate him you would call him by his right name instead of calling him Lil'G which is meant as an insult and you wouldn't say he is roiding without giving some kind of proof that he is.

[Lester Tutor]

"Cotto's value supersedes Golovkin." WTF does that even mean? Golovkin & Cotto both held belts in the same division, therefore the WBC made Golovkin Cotto's mandatory. Cotto knows he's not a MW & he knows that Golovkin would kill him. His ducking GGG has nothing to do with "value", except maybe Cotto "values" his ass & didn't want Golovkin to hand it to him.

You don't think Canelo & GBP would have made much more $$$ fighting Golovkin? But of course, the risk of a loss would have been greatly multiplied.

Can you prove Golovkin juices? Didn't think so.

"Cotto's value supersedes Golovkin.." is straight forward. Cotto's the bigger prize fighter than Golovkin any day, unless you just joined boxing and don't know who he is....

Therefore, after Alvarez paid his due as a challenger for Cotto's belt, who's Lil'G compared to Alvarez' fame. In other words, you know that A and B side people talk about all the time... take the assessment test and figure out what is people talk about. Ditching an opportunity for a mega prize fight at 155 which Alvarez had no interest in fighting Golovkin, yet Golovkin didn't want that money? Don't worry, if it makes you feel any better, Loeffler and Abel whisper into Lil'G's ears on what to think and say while sipping that juice!

[A.K]

Lemiuex is a bum who lost to Rubio and Alcine. You don't want your coward to ever fight Lara.

man dont make me laugh lara would be running out the ring in a GGG fightt