Comments Thread For: Peter Fury: "Tyson Brought a Dead Division Back To Life!"

[Graz]

If he meant Mike Tyson then yes, I agree.

Exactly. If anyone thinks Tyson Fury has anything to do with bringing the HW division back to life they're delusional. You might as well stick a fork in it. Its finished if we have to rely on him to revive it.

[Jewish-Reptile]

At the end of the day, Fury outboxed Wlad to a comfortable decision whereas Pulev got knocked spark out. Pulev & Fury both have have similar power, they break fighters down rather than one punch KOing them. As for Pulev having more belief, i don't think so, Fury called out Wladimir for years and told anyone who would listen that he would beat him with ease, he did, Pulev didn't.

Yet was still more entertaining than 80% of Wladimir's fights. You claiming that Fury is boring is so hypocritical coming from the biggest Klitschko fan on NSB.

Wlad has been boring people to death for over 10 years.

I don't dispute Wlad bores some, but ultimately he's more entertaining than Fury as he generally knocks out his opposition. I'm not dis*****g what you say just laughing you find Fury more entertaining, I'll atribute it to the fact he swears a lot and wears bat suits. Each to their own.

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I don't dispute Wlad bores some, but ultimately he's more entertaining than Fury as he generally knocks out his opposition. I'm not dis*****g what you say just laughing you find Fury more entertaining, I'll atribute it to the fact he swears a lot and wears bat suits. Each to their own.

I find Fury a lot more entertaining than Wlad in the ring, he's fluid and moves with surprising grace for a big man, he's technical, constantly switching stances, using angles, throwing a wide variety of punches.

Wlad only uses a jab for the first half of the fight, then eventually starts throwing the odd straight right and a left hook. That's it. Klitschko is p4p the most boring boxer of all time, both in and out of the ring.

[kafkod]

I don't dispute Wlad bores some, but ultimately he's more entertaining than Fury as he generally knocks out his opposition. I'm not dis*****g what you say just laughing you find Fury more entertaining, I'll atribute it to the fact he swears a lot and wears bat suits. Each to their own.

I find Fury a lot more entertaining than Wlad in the ring, he's fluid and moves with surprising grace for a big man, he's technical, constantly switching stances, using angles, throwing a wide variety of punches.

Wlad only uses a jab for the first half of the fight, then eventually starts throwing the odd straight right and a left hook. That's it. Klitschko is p4p the most boring boxer of all time, both in and out of the ring.

Hopefully, Fury is only at the begining of his reign as world champ and we will see some exciting title defences from him in the future.

To label him "boring" because he used a defence based game plan to defeat boxing's longest reigning and most dominant world title holder in his own stronghold is nuts.

If he'd gone wading in trying to do a Mike Tyson on Wlad, and got KO'd like Pulev, people would be calling him an idiot, glass chinned, etc. But because he boxed intelligently and WON, he's boring!

I didn't find the fight boring at all. It had none of the clinching, holding and stalling that have given "defensive boxing" such a bad rep over the last decade or so.

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Hopefully, Fury is only at the begining of his reign as world champ and we will see some exciting title defences from him in the future.

To label him "boring" because he used a defence based game plan to defeat boxing's longest reigning and most dominant world title holder in his own stronghold is nuts.

If he'd gone wading in trying to do a Mike Tyson on Wlad, and got KO'd like Pulev, people would be calling him an idiot, glass chinned, etc. But because he boxed intelligently and WON, he's boring!

I didn't find the fight boring at all. It had none of the clinching, holding and stalling that have given "defensive boxing" such a bad rep over the last decade or so.

Klitschko's ultra defensive style, coupled with his size and grabbing/holding tactics means it's nearly impossible to look good against the guy.

These dreamers who think that big Joshua would just rock up and knock him out like he did against Safety Pin just don't have a clue.

I didn't find it boring either, watching a man who had barely lost a round in 12 years being completely outfoxed is intriguing, you don't see it very often.

I guess people just love power, we're wired that way i guess. Boxing isn't just a case of possessing power though, otherwise all the divisions would just be dominated by brutal power punchers.

[Szef]

Yeah, let's blame Wilder for Povetkin taking drugs

You're right. I often remissness about the golden era when Wlad would defend against Mormeck, Thompson, Wach & Pianeta in succession. Those were the days, weren't they just?

We have definitely had a few fun fights since Wlad got his ass beat incl. Joshua vs Whyte & Wilder vs Szpilka. We've also had Jennings vs Ortiz and Duhaupas KOing Helenius as well as Pulev and Chisora, Chambers vs Washington if you look slightly below top 10 level.

Yeah you're right we had clarity. We all knew exactly what to expect every time he stepped in the ring: a foul-fested stinker of biblical proportions.

Did I say anything about the controversies surrounding that fight? No. But it was scheduled, and was going to happen until Povetkin ****ed up.

Neither Wlad's Era or this new one (if you can even call it that, since the old champ hasn't retired yet and is fighting Fury again) were or are golden, they're both average, but at least with Wlad we had clarity, instead of what is happening today.

And what is happening? Nothing, the division is the same as it used to be, top guys are fighting guys that have no chance of beating them,the only difference is that the current champ says a lot of controversial stuff. In the ring however, he's as boring as Wlad was but without fight changing power.

Joshua/Whyte and Wilder/Szpilka being exciting speaks more about Joshua's and Wilder's fighting abilities rather than the quality of the division. Besides, during Wlad's reign we had some fun fights too, like Povetkin/Huck, Wlad/Pulev or Adamek/Arreola.

Just because the top guys go life and death with mediocre, overmatched opposition it doesn't mean the division is good. Quite the opposite, actually.

Wlad slaughtered his lambs with ease, leaving no room to question who the better guy in the match up is. The current belt holders don't do that.

[kafkod]

Did I say anything about the controversies surrounding that fight? No. But it was scheduled, and was going to happen until Povetkin ****ed up.

Neither Wlad's Era or this new one (if you can even call it that, since the old champ hasn't retired yet and is fighting Fury again) were or are golden, they're both average, but at least with Wlad we had clarity, instead of what is happening today.

And what is happening? Nothing, the division is the same as it used to be, top guys are fighting guys that have no chance of beating them,the only difference is that the current champ says a lot of controversial stuff. In the ring however, he's as boring as Wlad was but without fight changing power.

Joshua/Whyte and Wilder/Szpilka being exciting speaks more about Joshua's and Wilder's fighting abilities rather than the quality of the division. Besides, during Wlad's reign we had some fun fights too, like Povetkin/Huck, Wlad/Pulev or Adamek/Arreola.

Just because the top guys go life and death with mediocre, overmatched opposition it doesn't mean the division is good. Quite the opposite, actually.

Wlad slaughtered his sheeps with ease, leaving no room to question who the better guy in the match up is. The current belt holders don't do that.

Fury hasn't been able to do anything since he became the champ except hang around waiting for Wlad to be ready for the rematch. Wait and see what happens in that fight and after it before you start criticising the "new era"

[Szef]

Fury hasn't been able to do anything since he became the champ except hang around waiting for Wlad to be ready for the rematch. Wait and see what happens in that fight and after it before you start criticising the "new era"

I've only had one opportunity to see how this new Era and Fury in it look like. Wasn't impressed.

Besides, he's only a part of it, that's why I've mentioned other belt holders and the level of their opposition.

[Fury4daWIN]

I don't dispute Wlad bores some, but ultimately he's more entertaining than Fury as he generally knocks out his opposition. I'm not dis*****g what you say just laughing you find Fury more entertaining, I'll atribute it to the fact he swears a lot and wears bat suits. Each to their own.

Knock outs aren't the be all and end all of excitement, and with Wlad they weren't even that exciting in the first place since there was a tedious inevitability to them that came of Wlad's consummately professional yet entirely by the numbers style.

Fury brings a massive jolt of unpredictability to the division, and that's what's been sorely missing for a long while. You acknowledge yourself that Fury is very beatable, and could very well lose the rematch. How often have we truly felt the same way about Wlad? That's to his credit, that he was so dominant that few fans ever really entertained hopes of an opponent ever toppling him from his throne, but it was boring man, so boring.

Fury has that vulnerability and craziness that makes every fight of his feel like a genuine fifty fifty affair. And fighters aren't afraid to fight him, since so many still see him as an east touch. That's opened up the division massively.

[Fury4daWIN]

Did I say anything about the controversies surrounding that fight? No. But it was scheduled, and was going to happen until Povetkin ****ed up.

Neither Wlad's Era or this new one (if you can even call it that, since the old champ hasn't retired yet and is fighting Fury again) were or are golden, they're both average, but at least with Wlad we had clarity, instead of what is happening today.

And what is happening? Nothing, the division is the same as it used to be, top guys are fighting guys that have no chance of beating them,the only difference is that the current champ says a lot of controversial stuff. In the ring however, he's as boring as Wlad was but without fight changing power.

Joshua/Whyte and Wilder/Szpilka being exciting speaks more about Joshua's and Wilder's fighting abilities rather than the quality of the division. Besides, during Wlad's reign we had some fun fights too, like Povetkin/Huck, Wlad/Pulev or Adamek/Arreola.

Just because the top guys go life and death with mediocre, overmatched opposition it doesn't mean the division is good. Quite the opposite, actually.

Wlad slaughtered his lambs with ease, leaving no room to question who the better guy in the match up is. The current belt holders don't do that.

You raise a couple of good points and I can see where you're coming from. I guess it boils down to what you want out of boxing: clarity or vigour.

Wlad left no doubt in anyone's mind of who the man was over the last decade, and there was satisfaction to be had in witnessing that. He unified the titles and dominated to such a degree that few were prepared to bet against him towards the end.

Unfortunately, whether as a result of this or not, he also presided over a gridlocked division where the best never fought the best and hardly any top matchups outside Wlad's title defences ever took place. Instead we were subject to a raft of stultifying mismatches while contenders attempted to protect their records until such time as they became sufficiently highly ranked to be considered for a title shot. Obviously these challengers were grossly underprepared, and were quickly dispatched as a result.

This also had the knock on effect of making the public think more poorly of the division than might otherwise have been the case, since no one had seen these challengers in exciting or competitive matchups beforehand. Unfair, perhaps, but that's how many people saw it. The fact that most of them just turned up for the payday, having no real hope of winning, didn't do the division any favours either.

What we have now is closer to what happened in the 90s, fewer linear career paths and more cross pollination. There might not be a significantly higher proportion of skilled fighters operating nowadays, but top fighters are at least taking each other on and engaging in hard, competitive matchups that give some shape to the division outside of the top bracket. There are still cherry pickers and con merchants, but the division is significantly fragmented that there are more chances that top fighters are going to run into one another in their quest for a piece of the pie. Joshua has to fight Parker, for instance, and hopefully Wilder still fights Povetkin. Pulev and Parker look likely to fight as well.

The division's just opening up a lot more and I have to say I'm thankful for that. We've already had more great fights in the last half a year than we've had in a long time. That can at least partly be down to Fury's shake up of the division.