Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Golovkin, Thurman-Porter, Muhammad Ali

[JUNIABOY]

Bread said, " I agree with Ward..... but I don't hate GGG because of it..... he just wasn't ready to move to 168 and fight Andre Ward ".

Bread kept it real..... even though Team Bull**** were too dishonest to admit it, and even though his fans were too ****** to realize.

Fanboys will never see reason. So glad I'm not one of them. You give yourself away as a fanboy every time you use insults to portray someone. Way of the troll I suppose.

[JUNIABOY]

He clearly wanted nothing to do with Andre Ward, you tool.

Troll, you still haven't watched that leadup piece on GGG/Rosado where Ward met GGG for the first time, huh? I'm still waiting for you to repeat the words that GGG said to Ward...still waiting...

[Boxing Logic]

So you're in your feelings because he didn't crap on black fighters or Paulie the way you wanted him to I bet you really hated when he pointed out black fighters have a harder route up as well.

The 20 year comment was about who was on what not some pay off where Floyd had no way possible of proving Manny was dirty because Manny never took tests until Marquez starched him (notice he didn't fight punchers after that either).

You don't know the facts. The payoff wasn't because he couldn't prove Manny was dirty, the payoff came because Manny asked for disclosure about Floyd's tests. But it's common knowledge now that Floyd was most likely using seeing as he had Memo in his corner and then cheated with IVs to mask what was in his system. The only excuse he had was that it was to make weight but his whole career he's bragged about making weight easy so it doesn't add up. Anyone with a brain knows what likely went down.

As for black fighters having a harder route up, it didn't piss me off, it just showed that as much as Bread tries to be act like he's the objective black boxing fan, he's still a black boxing fan first and a boxing fan second. The biggest boxing fanbases in the US are Mexicans and Blacks so what he said made no sense. He comes from the days of the Great White Hopes where many whites still watched boxing and race was still an issue in the minds of both whites and blacks, instead of just blacks like now, so boxing promoters actually did draw bigger audiences when they could find a good white fighter to promote and that's the reason they were always looking for the great white hope.

Bread is stuck in the past though because things have changed so much in many ways, and that's just not the case anymore. Mexicans have the easiest route up in the sport now, not whites, because Mexicans sell the most. Blacks have the second easiest route up, especially now with Haymon signing most of the black prospects and paying them huge purses to fight no names. White fighters have the hardest route up now and that's not even debatable. Look how long it took talents like GGG and Kovalev to even make it big in boxing, and even GGG still can't get a big fight even though he's top 5 pound for pound. I can't remember the last time that ever happened with a black fighter.

Even if you only count white fighters in America, what white American fighter has gotten an easy route to stardom recently? I can't even think of one. I remember Andre Berto getting the red carpet treatment at HBO early in his career, a black fighter. I remember Gary Russell jr. and Deontay Wilder getting TV date after TV date to fight TBD opponents, both black fighters. I remember Danny Garcia getting two TV dates against old Morales, then first shot to replace Khan's opponent, then a bunch of tuneups, then one tough fight only because the fans demanded it for years, then a bunch more tuneups ever since then, and he's a Puerto Rican fighter. I remember Floyd Mayweather getting the Oscar De La Hoya fight exactly when he wanted it, then never giving a rematch, then getting to pick his opponents for the rest of his career, another black fighter.

I remember Andre Ward getting special treatment throughout the entire Super Six tournament, while all the white fighters had to travel and he didn't, and some say he is a black fighter. Two weeks ago I saw the Charlos gifted titles on the same card that as Austin Trout said was totally promoted and set up for them to get titles, two black fighters. I saw Terrance Crawford promoted as the next big thing before he ever beat anyone, then given an advantageous fight against a much smaller fighter in Gamboa, then given a bunch more tuneups, without hearing boxing fans demand he step up the way they demand of GGG.

You can look across the board, black fighters have it much easier than white fighters now in terms of getting opportunities and in terms of the fan base. But unlike some black boxing fans I won't cry racism because I actually understand supply and demand. That's just how it works when more of the consumers are black and prefer black boxers. If that's what more consumers want, that's what promoters are going to provide, because it makes more money. It's just like Hollywood movies in a country where the majority of people are white. People cried about the Oscars being mostly white but since more Americans buy movies with white people, and even black men seem to like white women on screen and in life just fine, that's what Hollywood will provide. It's all about the money. It's just like Dave Chappelle was told to recast a woman in his show as someone with "universal appeal." He took that as racist but in reality, in a country that is majority white and where even the black male population doesn't seem to mind white women, white woman on screen do "universally appeal," as in appeal to the majority of the country (white men and women, black men and hispanic men) more than black women characters because white women, who there are more of in the US, identify with white women characters more, and white men are on average more attracted to white women characters, and black men and hispanic men also don't seem to mind looking at white female characters.

That's why many of the people complaining about these things tend to be black women or hispanic women because they are the only ones who aren't as happy with white women on screen, they identify more with women of their own race.

So these things are much more complicated than just "racism." There's a supply and demand dynamic, and as usual it comes down to money. When Bread first got into boxing, he experienced this dynamic that gave preference towards white fighters, and that shaped his opinion that he still carries with him today. But if he actually looks around and assesses how things are now, instead of relying on his assessment from decades ago and never noticing the changes happening before his eyes, he will see that Hispanic fighters are now the most prioritized in the U.S., then black fighters, then white fighters.

So there's no hatred. I just want Bread to be accurate when he states things, and not duck the most interesting questions. Is that too much to ask from a mailbag? Or if he's going to duck, be honest about it, don't make excuses about time when he seemed to have time to answer all the less interesting questions.

[Rip Chudd]

A great mailbag and all you have is people in here whining about GGG. Same old thing I guess.

I like what he said about Ali. Guess you had to be around during that time to really appreciate what he did outside the ring. He was a tremendous fighter though, there will never be another Heavyweight or fighter for that matter like him.

[MC Hammer]

You don't know the facts. The payoff wasn't because he couldn't prove Manny was dirty, the payoff came because Manny asked for disclosure about Floyd's tests. But it's common knowledge now that Floyd was most likely using seeing as he had Memo in his corner and then cheated with IVs to mask what was in his system. The only excuse he had was that it was to make weight but his whole career he's bragged about making weight easy so it doesn't add up. Anyone with a brain knows what likely went down.

As for black fighters having a harder route up, it didn't piss me off, it just showed that as much as Bread tries to be act like he's the objective black boxing fan, he's still a black boxing fan first and a boxing fan second. The biggest boxing fanbases in the US are Mexicans and Blacks so what he said made no sense. He comes from the days of the Great White Hopes where many whites still watched boxing and race was still an issue in the minds of both whites and blacks, instead of just blacks like now, so boxing promoters actually did draw bigger audiences when they could find a good white fighter to promote and that's the reason they were always looking for the great white hope.

Bread is stuck in the past though because things have changed so much in many ways, and that's just not the case anymore. Mexicans have the easiest route up in the sport now, not whites, because Mexicans sell the most. Blacks have the second easiest route up, especially now with Haymon signing most of the black prospects and paying them huge purses to fight no names. White fighters have the hardest route up now and that's not even debatable. Look how long it took talents like GGG and Kovalev to even make it big in boxing, and even GGG still can't get a big fight even though he's top 5 pound for pound. I can't remember the last time that ever happened with a black fighter.

Even if you only count white fighters in America, what white American fighter has gotten an easy route to stardom recently? I can't even think of one. I remember Andre Berto getting the red carpet treatment at HBO early in his career, a black fighter. I remember Gary Russell jr. and Deontay Wilder getting TV date after TV date to fight TBD opponents, both black fighters. I remember Danny Garcia getting two TV dates against old Morales, then first shot to replace Khan's opponent, then a bunch of tuneups, then one tough fight only because the fans demanded it for years, then a bunch more tuneups ever since then, and he's a Puerto Rican fighter. I remember Floyd Mayweather getting the Oscar De La Hoya fight exactly when he wanted it, then never giving a rematch, then getting to pick his opponents for the rest of his career, another black fighter.

I remember Andre Ward getting special treatment throughout the entire Super Six tournament, while all the white fighters had to travel and he didn't, and some say he is a black fighter. Two weeks ago I saw the Charlos gifted titles on the same card that as Austin Trout said was totally promoted and set up for them to get titles, two black fighters. I saw Terrance Crawford promoted as the next big thing before he ever beat anyone, then given an advantageous fight against a much smaller fighter in Gamboa, then given a bunch more tuneups, without hearing boxing fans demand he step up the way they demand of GGG.

You can look across the board, black fighters have it much easier than white fighters now in terms of getting opportunities and in terms of the fan base. But unlike some black boxing fans I won't cry racism because I actually understand supply and demand. That's just how it works when more of the consumers are black and prefer black boxers. If that's what more consumers want, that's what promoters are going to provide, because it makes more money. It's just like Hollywood movies in a country where the majority of people are white. People cried about the Oscars being mostly white but since more Americans buy movies with white people, and even black men seem to like white women on screen and in life just fine, that's what Hollywood will provide. It's all about the money. It's just like Dave Chappelle was told to recast a woman in his show as someone with "universal appeal." He took that as racist but in reality, in a country that is majority white and where even the black male population doesn't seem to mind white women, white woman on screen do "universally appeal," as in appeal to the majority of the country (white men and women, black men and hispanic men) more than black women characters because white women, who there are more of in the US, identify with white women characters more, and white men are on average more attracted to white women characters, and black men and hispanic men also don't seem to mind looking at white female characters.

That's why many of the people complaining about these things tend to be black women or hispanic women because they are the only ones who aren't as happy with white women on screen, they identify more with women of their own race.

So these things are much more complicated than just "racism." There's a supply and demand dynamic, and as usual it comes down to money. When Bread first got into boxing, he experienced this dynamic that gave preference towards white fighters, and that shaped his opinion that he still carries with him today. But if he actually looks around and assesses how things are now, instead of relying on his assessment from decades ago and never noticing the changes happening before his eyes, he will see that Hispanic fighters are now the most prioritized in the U.S., then black fighters, then white fighters.

So there's no hatred. I just want Bread to be accurate when he states things, and not duck the most interesting questions. Is that too much to ask from a mailbag? Or if he's going to duck, be honest about it, don't make excuses about time when he seemed to have time to answer all the less interesting questions.

You're reminding me of Aaliyah with all these 4 page letters you're writing..

Its sad that no part of them is true though. As far as the DEFAMATION case that Manny had against Floyd, Floyd's test were of no importance because even if he did fail them it had nothing to do with the case at hand. Floyd doesn't have to prove he's never cheated for him to call Manny a cheater. Secondly, you go by the Manatoya rumor (which he retracted) of failed tests and the IV thing (which wasn't about making weight but hydration) but when Povetkin has an unnatural substance in his body, proven by a drug screen, that he obviously took, you say "no he didn't cheat at all... journalists should do better", hypocrite much?

You compared Crawford getting ahead without fighting anyone, then turn around and say ggg had it so hard to come up, when HBO's entire machine is behind him and he hasn't fought anything that wasn't off the tomato can aisle. You said Crawford had a size advantage on Gamboa, but wasn't ggg calling out Cotto, Floyd and a guy who fights every match at 155? LMAO. You mentioned no one pressured Crawford to move up, but he did it on his on, something ggg will never do.

The Charlos weren't "gifted" title at all, that's what just happened with ggg, they fought mandatories on that card, and Jermall was already a champ so what are you talking about again? You want it to be one way, but its the other way. Edwards gave it to you honest but you didn't like the truth so you pulled a Trump and claimed he couldn't be fair because he's black.

[aboutfkntime]

You don't know the facts. The payoff wasn't because he couldn't prove Manny was dirty, the payoff came because Manny asked for disclosure about Floyd's tests. But it's common knowledge now that Floyd was most likely using seeing as he had Memo in his corner and then cheated with IVs to mask what was in his system. The only excuse he had was that it was to make weight but his whole career he's bragged about making weight easy so it doesn't add up. Anyone with a brain knows what likely went down.

As for black fighters having a harder route up, it didn't piss me off, it just showed that as much as Bread tries to be act like he's the objective black boxing fan, he's still a black boxing fan first and a boxing fan second. The biggest boxing fanbases in the US are Mexicans and Blacks so what he said made no sense. He comes from the days of the Great White Hopes where many whites still watched boxing and race was still an issue in the minds of both whites and blacks, instead of just blacks like now, so boxing promoters actually did draw bigger audiences when they could find a good white fighter to promote and that's the reason they were always looking for the great white hope.

Bread is stuck in the past though because things have changed so much in many ways, and that's just not the case anymore. Mexicans have the easiest route up in the sport now, not whites, because Mexicans sell the most. Blacks have the second easiest route up, especially now with Haymon signing most of the black prospects and paying them huge purses to fight no names. White fighters have the hardest route up now and that's not even debatable. Look how long it took talents like GGG and Kovalev to even make it big in boxing, and even GGG still can't get a big fight even though he's top 5 pound for pound. I can't remember the last time that ever happened with a black fighter.

Even if you only count white fighters in America, what white American fighter has gotten an easy route to stardom recently? I can't even think of one. I remember Andre Berto getting the red carpet treatment at HBO early in his career, a black fighter. I remember Gary Russell jr. and Deontay Wilder getting TV date after TV date to fight TBD opponents, both black fighters. I remember Danny Garcia getting two TV dates against old Morales, then first shot to replace Khan's opponent, then a bunch of tuneups, then one tough fight only because the fans demanded it for years, then a bunch more tuneups ever since then, and he's a Puerto Rican fighter. I remember Floyd Mayweather getting the Oscar De La Hoya fight exactly when he wanted it, then never giving a rematch, then getting to pick his opponents for the rest of his career, another black fighter.

I remember Andre Ward getting special treatment throughout the entire Super Six tournament, while all the white fighters had to travel and he didn't, and some say he is a black fighter. Two weeks ago I saw the Charlos gifted titles on the same card that as Austin Trout said was totally promoted and set up for them to get titles, two black fighters. I saw Terrance Crawford promoted as the next big thing before he ever beat anyone, then given an advantageous fight against a much smaller fighter in Gamboa, then given a bunch more tuneups, without hearing boxing fans demand he step up the way they demand of GGG.

You can look across the board, black fighters have it much easier than white fighters now in terms of getting opportunities and in terms of the fan base. But unlike some black boxing fans I won't cry racism because I actually understand supply and demand. That's just how it works when more of the consumers are black and prefer black boxers. If that's what more consumers want, that's what promoters are going to provide, because it makes more money. It's just like Hollywood movies in a country where the majority of people are white. People cried about the Oscars being mostly white but since more Americans buy movies with white people, and even black men seem to like white women on screen and in life just fine, that's what Hollywood will provide. It's all about the money. It's just like Dave Chappelle was told to recast a woman in his show as someone with "universal appeal." He took that as racist but in reality, in a country that is majority white and where even the black male population doesn't seem to mind white women, white woman on screen do "universally appeal," as in appeal to the majority of the country (white men and women, black men and hispanic men) more than black women characters because white women, who there are more of in the US, identify with white women characters more, and white men are on average more attracted to white women characters, and black men and hispanic men also don't seem to mind looking at white female characters.

That's why many of the people complaining about these things tend to be black women or hispanic women because they are the only ones who aren't as happy with white women on screen, they identify more with women of their own race.

So these things are much more complicated than just "racism." There's a supply and demand dynamic, and as usual it comes down to money. When Bread first got into boxing, he experienced this dynamic that gave preference towards white fighters, and that shaped his opinion that he still carries with him today. But if he actually looks around and assesses how things are now, instead of relying on his assessment from decades ago and never noticing the changes happening before his eyes, he will see that Hispanic fighters are now the most prioritized in the U.S., then black fighters, then white fighters.

So there's no hatred. I just want Bread to be accurate when he states things, and not duck the most interesting questions. Is that too much to ask from a mailbag? Or if he's going to duck, be honest about it, don't make excuses about time when he seemed to have time to answer all the less interesting questions.

Just what we needed, another golovtard alt.

Who's ass did you crawl out of ?

[aboutfkntime]

Fanboys will never see reason. So glad I'm not one of them. You give yourself away as a fanboy every time you use insults to portray someone. Way of the troll I suppose.

Regardless as to your fanboy spin..... bread kept it real when he admitted that Hypekin ducked Ward, you clowns did not.

Your girlfriend, the guy who can beat " anyone from 154-168 ".....

..... he ducked Canelo at 155, just like he ducked Ward at 168.

[Kigali]

I'm a GGG fan, but too many triple G apologists on this forum. I think Bread called it perfectly, Ward is P4P possibly the best fighter so fair enough his team want an advantage, meeting in between the weights.

Not something he should be sorry for as Ward had already brought Dawson down to his. It is just the way it's done sometimes to get two champions from different weights to fight. Not the same as a guy in your own division pulling you down...

Wrong and you know it.

Dawson offered to go down to 168...He called Ward out at 168.

No need to start lying....if you are ignorant that is one thing...but don't lie.

[Kigali]

Jacobs, I hate to admit, doesn't want the fight. He's as quiet as a church-mouse right now, and it's NOT a good look! I guess Eubank Jr. will fit GGG in sometime after the Olympics. I think BJS is the next fight, but BJS won't make GGG a superstar. I think GGG could do what Lara and Khan could do, AND what they could NOT do...HURT HIM. I think GGG has a better chance of hurting Canelo @ 155, than boxing 12 rounds vs. Mayweather @ 154, even though Floyd is 40 years old!

GGG isn't saying Jacobs' name either.

[Kigali]

Regardless as to your fanboy spin..... bread kept it real when he admitted that Hypekin ducked Ward, you clowns did not.

Your girlfriend, the guy who can beat " anyone from 154-168 ".....

..... he ducked Canelo at 155, just like he ducked Ward at 168.

GGG fans are so defensive....it's like they know he ain't shi.t.