Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Golovkin, Thurman-Porter, Muhammad Ali

[Bronx2245]

How the hell was Golovkin supposed to know, a whole year before it happened, that Canelo was going to fight Amir fucking Khan on cinzo de mayo day 2016 instead of him?

The winner of Cotto/Canelo was supposed to fight GGG next. There was no allowance in the contract, or agreement, for one defence first. Golovkin was only asked to give permission for that after Canelo won the title from Cotto and he agreed to it because he thought Canelo was serious about fighting him and wanted a tune-up fight at 160.

That's piss poor planning on their (K2) part! Whoever couldn't see it coming has a very limited knowledge of boxing history! Oscar demanded a CW for Hopkins. Mayweather demanded a CW for Canelo. Manny demanded a CW for Oscar. Rid**** Bowe threw the belt in the trash. Tyson Fury ust got stripped. Cotto vacated the belt! The history is long on fighters using leverage to force concesions for a fight that they KNOW that they are the A-side! This didn't just start with Floyd Mayweather! Oscar is a product of Arum! He doesn't ask himself "What would Jesus do?" He asks "What would Arum do?"

[MC Hammer]

How the hell was Golovkin supposed to know, a whole year before it happened, that Canelo was going to fight Amir fucking Khan on cinzo de mayo day 2016 instead of him?

The winner of Cotto/Canelo was supposed to fight GGG next. There was no allowance in the contract, or agreement, for one defence first. Golovkin was only asked to give permission for that after Canelo won the title from Cotto and he agreed to it because he thought Canelo was serious about fighting him and wanted a tune-up fight at 160.

So the "contract" didn't allow for it, but ggg let him do a fight out of the goodness of his heart, gotcha. Alvarez had already had 4 fights above 154 but he needed a tune-up, so ggg's team gave up the "contract guaranteed" fight, that canelo could've lost and ruined their payday and potentially set the whole process over, for what again?

If they had a contract after the Lemeuix fight (which was hardly a whole year ago) How did they not know what was going to happen next? Why couldn't they just stop the Khan fight from happening because of this alleged contract? So after the Lemeuix they could've fought Ward in January or February and followed up on Cinco thru July, but they didn't want that drama in golovkin's life huh

[kafkod]

Please forgive me if I seem like I'm attempting to psychoanalyze you. However, your whole statement indicates that the road to GGG's success goes through Canelo. BJS is just an after thought in the conversation. Again I ask you, wouldn't it be more advantageous to fight Canelo @ 155 (why are so many acting like they don't know that's the weight Oscar/Canelo wants?) than to fight the Dominic Wades, BJS, and Jacobs? If you believe that GGG had a serious chance of beating Mayweather @ 154, don't you think he could beat Canelo @ 155? I think now that Ward has moved to 175, and Canelo vacated the belt, GGG has no option for a mega-fight than to either 1) go to 155, or 2) go to 168 and pray that Ward is not too mad, that he might come back to 168 for GGG. Again, please answer the question: What does K2 do to make GGG a superstar?

My answer to the bolded question is that Canelo at 155 would very likely be a much tougher fight for GGG than Floyd at 154.

The weight GGG would need to hit is only 1lb different for both fights, but the weight difference between Floyd and Canelo, in the ring on fight night, would be something like 20lbs. That's a very, very significant difference.

It's known that dehydration depletes Cerebrospinal fluid, which cushions the brain from impacts to the skull. That's the reason why weight drained fighters have lowered punch resistance and are more vulnerable to brain trauma.

Floyd is a better boxer than Canelo, but Canelo is bigger, stronger, and hits a heck of a lot harder than Floyd. This is why I think it would be a bad mistake by Golovkin to agree to fight Canelo at 155. If he did that, and came in weak and drained, it could end his career.

To make Golovkin a superstar, I think the best plan is to focus on winning all the belts at 160, then wait for Canelo to come and challenge him for them, which I'm sure he would have to do before too long.

Meantime, Danny Jacobs, for all the MW belts, would be a big fight in the states, and Hearn is talking about a stadium fight this fall, in the UK, vs Eubank Jr.

Jr is a bigger name than BJS in the UK, btw.

Then, possibly, toward the end of next year, move up to fight for a title at 168.

[kafkod]

So the "contract" didn't allow for it, but ggg let him do a fight out of the goodness of his heart, gotcha. Alvarez had already had 4 fights above 154 but he needed a tune-up, so ggg's team gave up the "contract guaranteed" fight, that canelo could've lost and ruined their payday and potentially set the whole process over, for what again?

If they had a contract after the Lemeuix fight (which was hardly a whole year ago) How did they not know what was going to happen next? Why couldn't they just stop the Khan fight from happening because of this alleged contract? So after the Lemeuix they could've fought Ward in January or February and followed up on Cinco thru July, but they didn't want that drama in golovkin's life huh

It's not far off a year since GGG/Lemieux was signed. Like I said, the reason they allowed Canelo a voluntary defence was that they believed he was serious about fighting GGG this fall and wanted a tune-up fight at 160 first.

And what's this crap about "they could have fought Ward in Jan or Feb"?

Ward didn't have his first 2016 tune-up till March, ffs, and Hunter said he would need at least 2 tune-ups before fighting li'l g.

[Bronx2245]

My answer to the bolded question is that Canelo at 155 would very likely be a much tougher fight for GGG than Floyd at 154.

The weight GGG would need to hit is only 1lb different for both fights, but the weight difference between Floyd and Canelo, in the ring on fight night, would be something like 20lbs. That's a very, very significant difference.

It's known that dehydration depletes Cerebrospinal fluid, which cushions the brain from impacts to the skull. That's the reason why weight drained fighters have lowered punch resistance and are more vulnerable to brain trauma.

Floyd is a better boxer than Canelo, but Canelo is bigger, stronger, and hits a heck of a lot harder than Floyd. This is why I think it would be a bad mistake by Golovkin to agree to fight Canelo at 155. If he did that, and came in weak and drained, it could end his career.

To make Golovkin a superstar, I think the best plan is to focus on winning all the belts at 160, then wait for Canelo to come and challenge him for them, which I'm sure he would have to do before too long.

Meantime, Danny Jacobs, for all the MW belts, would be a big fight in the states, and Hearn is talking about a stadium fight this fall, in the UK, vs Eubank Jr.

Jr is a bigger name than BJS in the UK, btw.

Then, possibly, toward the end of next year, move up to fight for a title at 168.

Jacobs, I hate to admit, doesn't want the fight. He's as quiet as a church-mouse right now, and it's NOT a good look! I guess Eubank Jr. will fit GGG in sometime after the Olympics. I think BJS is the next fight, but BJS won't make GGG a superstar. I think GGG could do what Lara and Khan could do, AND what they could NOT do...HURT HIM. I think GGG has a better chance of hurting Canelo @ 155, than boxing 12 rounds vs. Mayweather @ 154, even though Floyd is 40 years old!

[MC Hammer]

It's not far off a year since GGG/Lemieux was signed. Like I said, the reason they allowed Canelo a voluntary defence was that they believed he was serious about fighting GGG this fall and wanted a tune-up fight at 160 first.

And what's this crap about "they could have fought Ward in Jan or Feb"?

Ward didn't have his first 2016 tune-up till March, ffs, and Hunter said he would need at least 2 tune-ups before fighting li'l g.

Lemeuix being signed in July has nothing to do with what we're talking about, its about when they fought, because Ward never asked him to cancel the Lemeuix fight in order to fight him. Nor was there any "contract" from the WBC for Canelo/Cotto winner at the time the Lemeuix fight was actually signed. All of that was supposedly in place after the fight.

Ward Smith happened 4 months before Lemeuix ggg even took place so that was #1 and the rest of the off time they were negotiating the deal for Kovalev with HBO, so he could've been had tune up #2 around the time ggg fought Lemeuix. All of this makes time for a January or February fight then a Canelo fight in the Summer.

[kafkod]

Jacobs, I hate to admit, doesn't want the fight. He's as quiet as a church-mouse right now, and it's NOT a good look! I guess Eubank Jr. will fit GGG in sometime after the Olympics. I think BJS is the next fight, but BJS won't make GGG a superstar. I think GGG could do what Lara and Khan could do, AND what they could NOT do...HURT HIM. I think GGG has a better chance of hurting Canelo @ 155, than boxing 12 rounds vs. Mayweather @ 154, even though Floyd is 40 years old!

I think Jacobs wants to fight GGG, but not yet. If he can delay doing it till after Golovkin unifies all the belts, it's a bigger fight and a bigger purse for him.

Golovkin shouldn't go down to 155/54 for anyone, imo. A 34 yo body can't repair and rejuvenate itself like a youthful body can. If he drained himself too much, he might never be the same fighter again afterwards.

Eubank Jr wanting to fight GGG could make it more likely that BJS fights him this year, I mean instead of JR. The Eubanks are very well known in the UK. I've noticed, main stream sports fans over here are starting to talk about Chris Jr trying to pick a fight with the most feared man in boxing, and wondering if he has a chance of winning it. That could make BJS want to step up and fight Golovkin himself. Partly because of pride, but also because if a possible fight between GGG and Jr draws a lot of attention in the UK, that attention will switch to BJS vs Golovkin if it happens instead, meaning a bigger purse for BJS.

[MASTERBX]

lil g duck Andre Ward after Ward took him up on his challenge of "anyone from 154-168" Fact! HBO paid Andre Ward NOT to beat up lil g.

[Bandman]

You just highlighted another factor that Breadman completely ignored in his answer about GGG and Ward.

Golovkin already had a contract with Canelo, Cotto and the WBC, which covered the same time span as the one Roc asked him to sign. They were asking GGG to commit to fighting Ward in spring/summer of 2016, which was exactly when Golovkin expected to be fighting the winner of Cotto/Canelo for the WBC MW title.

Ward and Cotto have the same promoter, and when I read about the contract they sent to Loeffler, it made me wonder if it was part of some plan they were setting up to protect Cotto from GGG, if Miguel had beaten Canelo.

we see how far he got with that "contract" ..he didn't get cotto or canelo. .but could've faced ward for the chance to finally add one noteworthy opponent in that weak resume. .look at him now, begging canelo for a check. he has the belt now, what's his excuse for not dropping to 155.

[kafkod]

we see how far he got with that "contract" ..he didn't get cotto or canelo. .but could've faced ward for the chance to finally add one noteworthy opponent in that weak resume. .look at him now, begging canelo for a check. he has the belt now, what's his excuse for not dropping to 155.

He got $800k step aside money from Cotto, the WBC belt from Canelo and tons of great publicity. But hey, he could have signed a contract with Ward and still be sitting around waiting for Ande to finish his tune-ups instead.