Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Golovkin, Thurman-Porter, Muhammad Ali

[Bronx2245]

There is only one problem with your GGG vs Ward statements....they are not based on fact.....actually Ward who is only talking through his hat....Ward called out GGG one hour after it was announced that GGG had a contract to fight Lemieux.....this can be checked out for a fact......second of all GGG's team had been trying to come to an agreement for two years with Ward....the problem was first Ward was in trouble with law suits with Goossen...they were suing each other....Goosen won the lawsuit three times.....then Ward signed with Roc Nation....the first thing Roc Nation said was that Ward needed two tune up fights before they would let Ward fight GGG...then Ward fought one fight at 172 pounds....GGG and his team got tired of waiting for Andre Ward to make up his mind what he wanted to do...then look at the numbers....Ward fought in his own home town and he could not put 4000 people in the arena....Ward fought at the Citizens centre and there were only 3000 people....every single word I have put here can be checked out by anybody simply by looking at the transcripts....and if that is not enough for you then here is a video by Tom Loeffler.....either Loeffler is lying or Ward is lying....only problem with that is that the transcripts will back up Loeffler and not Ward....http://www.fighthype.com/news/article23436.html?

So basically Ward should move up to 175 and beat Kovalev to earn the right to fight GGG, because Ward is not a big draw, etc. Sounds a lot like Mayweather saying GGG has to move up to fight Ward to earn the right to fight him. Both demands are simply BULL****!

[HeroBando]

I don't know where 155 came from? I guess I just pulled that number out of my a$$. I'm ******, you're a genius! Feel better now?

OK but don't come flaunting it here.

[kafkod]

K2 didn't have a CONTRACT to fight the winner of Cotto vs. Canelo. What they had was a guarantee from the WBC that the winner had 15 days to negotiate a fight with GGG, or be stripped of the title, which eventually came to pass. Again, I don't blame GGG for choosing that route. That was a BUSINESS DECISION. Choose to fight Ward after Lemieux, or HOPE that you get to fight the winner of Cotto vs. Canelo. K2 didn't get what they HOPED for. Canelo vacated the belt, and K2 missed the boat for a mega-fight. Had K2 had an actually CONTRACT with Canelo or Cotto, they would be in a legal battle for breach of contract. However all they had was HOPE.

K2 did get a contract with Canelo after he beat Cotto. They can't sue him for breaching it because he relinquished the title.

Whether you call the guarantee Golovkin got from the WBC a contract or not is irrelevant. The fact is he had that guarantee, plus a step aside agreement with Cotto, and he expected to fight the winner of Cotto/Canelo in spring/summer of 2016, which was the same time Roc wanted him to agree to fight Ward.

The offer Roc sent him was a farce. Loeffler would have been crazy to even think about agreeing to it. If he had done, Golovkin would not be the WBC MW champion now and he would still be waiting for his "mega fight" (ROFL!) with Ward.

And don't try telling me that Ward wouldn't have needed tune-ups for Golovkin, that he would have offered to fight him straight away, if GGG hadn't already signed for Lemieux.

I remember when Ward started bragging about GGG turning down an offer to fight, he was saying that he sent the offer months before Golovkin had signed with Lemieux. His lawyer even threatened to sue Sanchez when Abel called him a liar over that.

But now the story has changed. Andre didn't need a tune-up for li'l g, nah, he only included interim fights in his offer so that GGG would be able to fight Lemieux first, a fight that, at the time, Ward claimed to know nothing about!

[Bronx2245]

OK but don't come flaunting it here.

I won't reply to your posts, if you agree to not reply to mine. Is that a deal?

[kafkod]

I'm a GGG fan, but too many triple G apologists on this forum. I think Bread called it perfectly, Ward is P4P possibly the best fighter so fair enough his team want an advantage, meeting in between the weights.

Not something he should be sorry for as Ward had already brought Dawson down to his. It is just the way it's done sometimes to get two champions from different weights to fight. Not the same as a guy in your own division pulling you down...

Whether Ward is the best P4P fighter or not, he most definitely is not a cash cow like Froch and Chavez were when GGG tried to make fights with them in 2013.

[Bronx2245]

K2 did get a contract with Canelo after he beat Cotto. They can't sue him for breaching it because he relinquished the title.

Whether you call the guarantee Golovkin got from the WBC a contract or not is irrelevant. The fact is he had that guarantee, plus a step aside agreement with Cotto, and he expected to fight the winner of Cotto/Canelo in spring/summer of 2016, which was the same time Roc wanted him to agree to fight Ward.

The offer Roc sent him was a farce. Loeffler would have been crazy to even think about agreeing to it. If he had done, Golovkin would not be the WBC MW champion now and he would still be waiting for his "mega fight" (ROFL!) with Ward.

And don't try telling me that Ward wouldn't have needed tune-ups for Golovkin, that he would have offered to fight him straight away, if GGG hadn't already signed for Lemieux.

I remember when Ward started bragging about GGG turning down an offer to fight, he was saying that he sent the offer months before Golovkin had signed with Lemieux. His lawyer even threatened to sue Sanchez when Abel called him a liar over that.

But now the story has changed. Andre didn't need a tune-up for li'l g, nah, he only included interim fights in his offer so that GGG would be able to fight Lemieux first, a fight that, at the time, Ward claimed to know nothing about!

You agree with K2, I agree with Roc Nation. GGG did not have a contract to fight Canelo, but they thought Canelo (or Cotto) would be forced by the WBC, and they would accept the fight without a CW. I never believed it to be true! I've told you that a hundred times. Believe it or not, we're both GGG fans! However you felt GGG should stick to his guns and get the belt, I said **** the belt and get the fight! Canelo is 25 with a better resume and a he's a bigger draw. GGG is 34 and hasn't fought anyone yet. GGG needs Canelo more than Canelo needs GGG. So now that Canelo has vacated the belt, which I knew he would (by the way Barthelemy just did the same thing), what do you think GGG should do? We can agree to disagree with Ward, and it doesn't matter because Ward has literally moved on to bigger things. What does K2 do now? How does K2 make GGG a superstar without a star (much less a superstar) for him to fight?

[kafkod]

How the hell were they expecting Canelo to fight him in Spring/Summer when Canelo fought Khan in May. This "contract" seemed to allow the winner one more defense before the big fight so why wouldn't GGG fight the winner after fighting Ward in Early 2016?

Hell early 2016 fight with Ward would've allowed for a fight in Spring/Summer with the winner of cotto/canelo so essentially ggg could've fought both Ward AND Canelo this year, but ducklovkin rather put his suit and tie on instead of his gloves.

How the hell was Golovkin supposed to know, a whole year before it happened, that Canelo was going to fight Amir fucking Khan on cinzo de mayo day 2016 instead of him?

The winner of Cotto/Canelo was supposed to fight GGG next. There was no allowance in the contract, or agreement, for one defence first. Golovkin was only asked to give permission for that after Canelo won the title from Cotto and he agreed to it because he thought Canelo was serious about fighting him and wanted a tune-up fight at 160.

[kafkod]

You agree with K2, I agree with Roc Nation. GGG did not have a contract to fight Canelo, but they thought Canelo (or Cotto) would be forced by the WBC, and they would accept the fight without a CW. I never believed it to be true! I've told you that a hundred times. Believe it or not, we're both GGG fans! However you felt GGG should stick to his guns and get the belt, I said **** the belt and get the fight! Canelo is 25 with a better resume and a he's a bigger draw. GGG is 34 and hasn't fought anyone yet. GGG needs Canelo more than Canelo needs GGG. So now that Canelo has vacated the belt, which I knew he would (by the way Barthelemy just did the same thing), what do you think GGG should do? We can agree to disagree with Ward, and it doesn't matter because Ward has literally moved on to bigger things. What does K2 do now? How does K2 make GGG a superstar without a star (much less a superstar) for him to fight?

So far as anybody knows, Canelo didn't even offer to fight GGG at 155.

Just before the negotiations started, Mauricio Sulaiman made a statement saying that if Canelo and GGG both agreed to fight against other opponents this year, then fought each other next spring, that would be ok with the WBC.

I think that's what GBP wanted to happen, but K2 turned the idea down. Even if Canelo can still make 154, he isn't going to be able to keep doing it for long. I believe GGG vs Canelo will happen next year. I would say I hope it will be for all 4 MW belts, except that BJS is the WBO champ, and much as I love GGG as a boxer, I'm a Brit. So if Golovkin fights Saunders, I'll probably end up rooting for BJS.

[Butt stuff]

Whether Ward is the best P4P fighter or not, he most definitely is not a cash cow like Froch and Chavez were when GGG tried to make fights with them in 2013.

That's definitely true, I mean if Ward pulled in Mayweather $$$, everyone knows the fight would've been done a long time ago.

[Bronx2245]

So far as anybody knows, Canelo didn't even offer to fight GGG at 155.

Just before the negotiations started, Mauricio Sulaiman made a statement saying that if Canelo and GGG both agreed to fight against other opponents this year, then fought each other next spring, that would be ok with the WBC.

I think that's what GBP wanted to happen, but K2 turned the idea down. Even if Canelo can still make 154, he isn't going to be able to keep doing it for long. I believe GGG vs Canelo will happen next year. I would say I hope it will be for all 4 MW belts, except that BJS is the WBO champ, and much as I love GGG as a boxer, I'm a Brit. So if Golovkin fights Saunders, I'll probably end up rooting for BJS.

Please forgive me if I seem like I'm attempting to psychoanalyze you. However, your whole statement indicates that the road to GGG's success goes through Canelo. BJS is just an after thought in the conversation. Again I ask you, wouldn't it be more advantageous to fight Canelo @ 155 (why are so many acting like they don't know that's the weight Oscar/Canelo wants?) than to fight the Dominic Wades, BJS, and Jacobs? If you believe that GGG had a serious chance of beating Mayweather @ 154, don't you think he could beat Canelo @ 155? I think now that Ward has moved to 175, and Canelo vacated the belt, GGG has no option for a mega-fight than to either 1) go to 155, or 2) go to 168 and pray that Ward is not too mad, that he might come back to 168 for GGG. Again, please answer the question: What does K2 do to make GGG a superstar?