Comments Thread For: Canelo vs. Liam Smith September Clash Hinted By Frank Warren

[JUNIABOY]

To hydrating doesn't mean anything, it is useless argument because everyone does it.

Did you watch Canelo's last weigh-in? he looked healthy, but since you hate him, you're probably talking out of your ass and looking at the facts.

My logic goes like this: If Canelo is a natural SWW, then why did he fight his last 5 at 155? Why not fight at 154?...why even say he's comfortable at 155 when he's a natural 154 fighter? There are inconsistencies. Canelo & GBP are trying to sell their brand of boxing logic, which pretty much ignores logic itself. Why fight at 155 if he's naturally a 154 fighter?! That question in itself is an argument against.

[JUNIABOY]

Most of the guys at 154 come in the ring weighing North of 168. And Canelo comes in the ring around 171-174. My
Lara, Trout, Angulo, Kirkland, Mosley were ALL within 3-4 lbs on fight night. You work at a sports book you should know this.

You just said it yourself...canelo comes into the ring in the mid-170's. Canelo is the biggest SWW in the world...who's really a MW masquerading as a 155 fighter. I won't dare call Canelo a natural 154 fighter because he himself said that he's comfortable at 155. Why fight your last 5 at 155 if you're a natural 154 fighter?!...why not fight at 154?!...why didn't he fight Khan at 154?! These questions alone are stand-alone arguments to your stance. Hard to believe he's a natural 154 fighter when he hasn't made that weight in 3 years. Most boxing fans see it as it is: here's an actual 160 fighter who can't drain down to 154, so chose the Caneloweight of 155 in order to not have to fight 160 guys but still have a size advantage over the 154 guys. It's that simple. If he plans on fighting at 154, I'd like to see him make weight first. Otherwise, this is just hot air.

[JUNIABOY]

To hydrating doesn't mean anything, it is useless argument because everyone does it.

Did you watch Canelo's last weigh-in? he looked healthy, but since you hate him, you're probably talking out of your ass and looking at the facts.

You hate GGG by defending Canelo to this extent. What makes you any better??? Canelo is going against the rules of boxing by campaigning at Caneloweight. No matter what anyone says, according to the sport Canelo is doing something wrong. 155 is not a division.

[R-C]

My logic goes like this: If Canelo is a natural SWW, then why did he fight his last 5 at 155? Why not fight at 154?...why even say he's comfortable at 155 when he's a natural 154 fighter? There are inconsistencies. Canelo & GBP are trying to sell their brand of boxing logic, which pretty much ignores logic itself. Why fight at 155 if he's naturally a 154 fighter?! That question in itself is an argument against.

Agreed....

[R-C]

You hate GGG by defending Canelo to this extent. What makes you any better??? Canelo is going against the rules of boxing by campaigning at Caneloweight. No matter what anyone says, according to the sport Canelo is doing something wrong. 155 is not a division.

I don't hate GGG, I actually like him as a boxer, but the facts remain that he won't challenge himself to become great.

Every superstar that I watched challenged themselves to be what they became.

Now, I might not agree with Canelo to be fighting at 155, but I do understand him. He bent backwards for Floyd and Cotto so at the end he can become a true 'A-Side'

Why can GGG do the same? what makes him special from the other fighter.

[JUNIABOY]

I don't hate GGG, I actually like him as a boxer, but the facts remain that he won't challenge himself to become great.

Every superstar that I watched challenged themselves to be what they became.

Now, I might not agree with Canelo to be fighting at 155, but I do understand him. He bent backwards for Floyd and Cotto so at the end he can become a true 'A-Side'

Why can GGG do the same? what makes him special from the other fighter.

From a pure boxing perspective, Canelo doesn't prove anything as a boxer by campaigning at 155. Fighting 1 lb above an actual weight class would only show that he can beat guys when he has a weight advantage...that's doesn't mean he an actually compete at 154 or 160. It just shows that he's very good when he can enjoy that advantage over a smaller fighter...he has yet to fight an actual MW. Look, I agree that GGG should be daring enough to fight anybody within his weight range. But I'm not going to ignore that Canelo doesn't prove a whole lot in boxing if he's not fighting within a proper weight class. And mind you, is still holding onto that lineal 160 title...that he did not vacate. Which begs the question: does he intend on defending that title as well, or will he drop it too? At the end of the day, I just want good fights. If the GGG/Canelo fight is made (regardless of weight), I will watch it. But I'm not going to give Canelo a pass just because he let other A-sides pull a fast one on him by forcing him to do it at a CW...Canelo was upset that FMJ made him drain, yet turns around & wants to do the same thing to GGG. At that point, I'm going to call BS on the A-side. And yes, I was against FMJ doing it to Canelo as well.

[Shadoww702]

You just said it yourself...canelo comes into the ring in the mid-170's. Canelo is the biggest SWW in the world...who's really a MW masquerading as a 155 fighter. I won't dare call Canelo a natural 154 fighter because he himself said that he's comfortable at 155. Why fight your last 5 at 155 if you're a natural 154 fighter?!...why not fight at 154?!...why didn't he fight Khan at 154?! These questions alone are stand-alone arguments to your stance. Hard to believe he's a natural 154 fighter when he hasn't made that weight in 3 years. Most boxing fans see it as it is: here's an actual 160 fighter who can't drain down to 154, so chose the Caneloweight of 155 in order to not have to fight 160 guys but still have a size advantage over the 154 guys. It's that simple. If he plans on fighting at 154, I'd like to see him make weight first. Otherwise, this is just hot air.

I said ALL boxers outside Pac and Floyd fight 15-20 lbs lower than their natural weight. I said their all within 3-4 lbs of each other as well.

[Don Pichardo]

Why? he is a champion and Cinnamon is a natural 154 lb, so it makes sense to me.

Excuse me. Canelo walks into ring 172-173 as far as we know. I suspect a little more. How is he a "natural" 154 lb? He can make the weight. But it's a feat for him.

[gmc_rfc_06]

Canelo didn't look all that healthy at the weigh-in against Khan. Angulo is definitely not a natural SWW. And isn't being natural to a weight class means that you naturally drain around 10lbs to make weight?

It depends entirely on each fighter.

There are guys who only gain 5lbs between fights, others who gain 15lbs and others who gain 20lbs or more. Ricky Hatton, Maidana and the likes gained in the 40lbs region.

If you allow yourself to get fat, you will have to shed more weight.

Canelo looked perfectly healthy at the Khan weigh in; he looked full/strong. Charlo, Angulo, Kirkland, Trout, etc...are all the same size as Canelo.

[Don Pichardo]

Terrence Crawford at 135 was in the ring at 152.
Maidana at 147 was in the ring at 165.
Austin Trout at 154 is in the ring at 172.
Angulo at 154 is in the ring at 174.
Charlo at 154 is in the ring at 175.

Canelo made 155 comfortably for non-title fights, he will make 154 comfortably for title fights. If you step on the scales and look full and healthy, you belong at that weight.

Generally I would agree. However a line needs to be drawn. And coming in 20 over the limit does it for me. We're talking 2-3 weights classes...