Comments Thread For: Artur Beterbiev Drops Maderna Four Times For KO in Four

[g27region]

Nah kovalev would blend right in with a pack of chechens imo, he looks to have a bit of kavkazi in him himself. With guys like povetkin and pirog on the other hand, yeah.

He would blend in a pack of some chechens, yeah, but that's only because a lot of Chechens can pass as Russians. He wouldn't blend in a pack of Azerbaijanis or Dagestanis though

From genetical point of view, Chechens are really distinct and different from other ethnicities in Caucasus. They have lighter complexion and features than other people from Caucasus mountains. Genetically, they don't have any Turkic or Persian origin (like Azerbaijanis, for example) and unlike other ethnic groups from Caucasus, Chechens coming from rare Nakh ethnicity. That being said, Chechens are the craziest kind of people there (I just can't imagine a chechen requesting the towel from the corner like Maderna did, his family would disown him for that, ha ha) some of them look like ethnic Russians, but Beterbiev is definitely not that type of chechen who can pass as an ethnic Russian

Kovalev looks like pure 100% Russian though

[MujoHrnjica]

He would blend in a pack of some chechens, yeah, but that's only because a lot of Chechens can pass as Russians. He wouldn't blend in a pack of Azerbaijanis or Dagestanis though

From genetical point of view, Chechens are really distinct and different from other ethnicities in Caucasus. They have lighter complexion and features than other people from Caucasus mountains. Genetically, they don't have any Turkic or Persian origin (like Azerbaijanis, for example) and unlike other ethnic groups from Caucasus, Chechens coming from rare Nakh ethnicity. That being said, Chechens are the craziest kind of people there (I just can't imagine a chechen requesting the towel from the corner like Maderna did, his family would disown him for that, ha ha) some of them look like ethnic Russians, but Beterbiev is definitely not that type of chechen who can pass as an ethnic Russian

Kovalev looks like pure 100% Russian though

It's not rare especially in the southern regions for ethnic russians to have intermixed with armenians, ossetians, georgians and the like which is why I made that observation. Same goes for Lebedev and Alexander Alekseev, they don't look pure to me at all. .

As for Dagestanis you can't really say that, they're quite a diverse bunch of people, something like 13-14 ethnic groups at the least make up that area, if I'm not mistaken.

[fredhopple]

but what does beating a nothing like Maderna actually prove?

Beating a guy who seemed not to want to fight proves nothing for Better Be

[g27region]

It's not rare especially in the southern regions for ethnic russians to have intermixed with armenians, ossetians, georgians and the like which is why I made that observation. Same goes for Lebedev and Alexander Alekseev, they don't look pure to me at all.

As for Dagestanis you can't really say that either, they're quite a diverse bunch of people, something like 13-14 ethnic groups make up that area at the least, if I'm not mistaken.

Believe me, I live in Russia and nobody here would say that Kovalev or Lebedev look mixed. All these guys look pretty typical here. When I've seen Golovkin and Kostya Tszyu for the first time, I've thought they look mixed, and that turned out to be true- both of them are half Koreans

Just don't forget that ethnic Russians can be really diverse in terms of look and Russia is a big melting pot. You even won't be able to find "pure 100% Russians" here. I have Polish, Ukranian, Greek, Turkish and Persian background myself. But people from Caucasus (with the VERY rare exception) are really easy to spot even among all these ethnic Russians with different backgrounds

And you're right, a lot of Southern Russians was mixing with Armenians, Circassians and other Caucasus ethnicities throughout the history, but Kovalev or Lebedev definitely doesn't look like the result of that mixing. I can't really think of good examples of that to show you right now though

Kovalev looks like the typical street guy from Chelyabinsk or any other city in Ural region of the country.
That's why it's an interesting match up for me - natural raw power of Beterbiev vs. the street brawliness of Kovalev. Ural region of the country was exceptionally messed up at the time when Kovalev was growing up

Yes, Dagestan is THE most diverse region on the planet, ethnically and linguistically. Some of Dagestanis are pure Asians like Nogai people, but majority of Dagestanis are ethnic Avars, all other Dagestani ethnicities are pretty small compared to Avars, plus most of Dagestani ethnicities, despite being diverse, they're related to each other genetically.

[Cutthroat]

it was vs Page.
yeah I thought It was a balance shot. have to call it a knockdown because it was from a punch. Kovalev has been knocked down a couple times as well. though most would agree vs the australian it was a balance shot + stepping on the foot.

I'd like to say beterbiev would win but I dont know. depends on a lot. most ring experts think kovalev wins because he fights an outside fight. I'm don't think that's the case. two people coming forward. it would be great while it lasted. I think (have no proof) that beterbiev punches a bit harder and has a more talanted right hand.

Kovalev might have the higher ring IQ. not sure how beterbiev does in late rounds. Kovalev was down and hurt badly vs boone (won a split dec)

it's an intresting fight for sure. Stevenson vs beterbiev needs to happen sometime soon

Kovalev's jab looks levels above Beterbiev's, BB's isn't that bad he just doesn't utilize it nearly as much. I'm also unsure if he has the head movement to avoid Kovalev's right hand when he's shifting, Kovalev is probably the best I've ever seen at doing that, Pascal was tailor made for that as he goes straight back and was eating those shots all night.

Beterbiev does have some advantages, nasty body puncher with both hands. Kovalev does not like to get hit to the body, I've seen Pascal and Hopkins back him up making him pull up his trunks when he gets hit there. You can also just tell looking at his body, he's really lean, I've also heard ggg dropped him with a body shot.

Kovalev can be caught too, Pascal was landing those wild hooks against him, against BB that's death.

[IllegalDeath]

I don't think Beterbiev and GGG have similar styles. Beterbiev goes on the inside after trapping the opponent while GGG remains mostly on the outside.
One thing you'll notice about GGG is he never gets too close to an opponent, he always keeps the right calculated distance and knows when to go in and out. He would not even throw a power punch unless he is in the best position.

[MujoHrnjica]

Believe me, I live in Russia and nobody here would say that Kovalev or Lebedev look mixed. All these guys look pretty typical here. When I've seen Golovkin and Kostya Tszyu for the first time, I've thought they look mixed, and that turned out to be true- both of them are half Koreans

Just don't forget that ethnic Russians can be really diverse in terms of look and Russia is a big melting pot. You even won't be able to find "pure 100% Russians" here. I have Polish, Ukranian, Greek, Turkish and Persian background myself. But people from Caucasus (with the VERY rare exception) are really easy to spot even among all these ethnic Russians with different backgrounds

And you're right, a lot of Southern Russians was mixing with Armenians, Circassians and other Caucasus ethnicities throughout the history, but Kovalev or Lebedev definitely doesn't look like the result of that mixing. I can't really think of good examples of that to show you right now though

Kovalev looks like the typical street guy from Chelyabinsk or any other city in Ural region of the country.
That's why it's an interesting match up for me - natural raw power of Beterbiev vs. the street brawliness of Kovalev. Ural region of the country was exceptionally messed up at the time when Kovalev was growing up

Yes, Dagestan is THE most diverse region on the planet, ethnically and linguistically. Some of Dagestanis are pure Asians like Nogai people, but majority of Dagestanis are ethnic Avars, all other Dagestani ethnicities are pretty small compared to Avars, plus most of Dagestani ethnicities, despite being diverse, they're related to each other genetically.

lol regardless they're both beasts.

[kafkod]

Believe me, I live in Russia and nobody here would say that Kovalev or Lebedev look mixed. All these guys look pretty typical here. When I've seen Golovkin and Kostya Tszyu for the first time, I've thought they look mixed, and that turned out to be true- both of them are half Koreans

Just don't forget that ethnic Russians can be really diverse in terms of look and Russia is a big melting pot. You even won't be able to find "pure 100% Russians" here. I have Polish, Ukranian, Greek, Turkish and Persian background myself. But people from Caucasus (with the VERY rare exception) are really easy to spot even among all these ethnic Russians with different backgrounds

And you're right, a lot of Southern Russians was mixing with Armenians, Circassians and other Caucasus ethnicities throughout the history, but Kovalev or Lebedev definitely doesn't look like the result of that mixing. I can't really think of good examples of that to show you right now though

Kovalev looks like the typical street guy from Chelyabinsk or any other city in Ural region of the country.
That's why it's an interesting match up for me - natural raw power of Beterbiev vs. the street brawliness of Kovalev. Ural region of the country was exceptionally messed up at the time when Kovalev was growing up

Yes, Dagestan is THE most diverse region on the planet, ethnically and linguistically. Some of Dagestanis are pure Asians like Nogai people, but majority of Dagestanis are ethnic Avars, all other Dagestani ethnicities are pretty small compared to Avars, plus most of Dagestani ethnicities, despite being diverse, they're related to each other genetically.

You seem to know a lot about the Caucasus and the people of the area so maybe you could answer a question for me, something I've often thought about but never got round to researching.

Do you know why the term "Caucasian" came to be used as a name for ALL indigenous Europeans, even those with homelands as far away from the Caucasus area as Nordics and Brits?

[kafkod]

I don't think Beterbiev and GGG have similar styles. Beterbiev goes on the inside after trapping the opponent while GGG remains mostly on the outside.
One thing you'll notice about GGG is he never gets too close to an opponent, he always keeps the right calculated distance and knows when to go in and out. He would not even throw a power punch unless he is in the best position.

Beterbiev and GGG both cut the ring extremely well and both use "shifting" to close distance while leading with the right hand.

Beterbiev is ambidextrous, and sometimes boxes southpaw for long periods, which is something GGG doesn't do.

[kafkod]

Kovalev's jab looks levels above Beterbiev's, BB's isn't that bad he just doesn't utilize it nearly as much. I'm also unsure if he has the head movement to avoid Kovalev's right hand when he's shifting, Kovalev is probably the best I've ever seen at doing that, Pascal was tailor made for that as he goes straight back and was eating those shots all night.

Beterbiev does have some advantages, nasty body puncher with both hands. Kovalev does not like to get hit to the body, I've seen Pascal and Hopkins back him up making him pull up his trunks when he gets hit there. You can also just tell looking at his body, he's really lean, I've also heard ggg dropped him with a body shot.

Kovalev can be caught too, Pascal was landing those wild hooks against him, against BB that's death.

Beterbiev also shifts while throwing his right, but he uses short, quick steps and doesn't do it from as far out as Krusher.