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  • SUBZER0ED
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    #101
    Cotto paid a step-aside fee in order to face voluntary Canelo, instead of mandatory Golovkin. Canelo dropped his championship belt, rather than face mandatory Golovkin. What's the common denominator here?

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    • SunSpace
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      #102
      Do you guys STILL not understand? It was never fear on Cotto's part; he simply doesn't RESPECT Golovkin as meriting immediate business. He never did. Even now, when it's apparent that Canelo-GGG is the biggest fight to make, in Cotto's mind GGG remains irrelevant. This is likely due to how disconnected he can be from the sport at times, but he's still viewing it from the perspective of last year--from his point of view back then.

      He's a businessman, and he didn't try to hide it one bit. What are people upset about? Cotto wanted to make the biggest fight in boxing, and that was versus Canelo. Why should he have fought Golovkin, back then? It made absolutely no sense. To please GGG's hardcore fans? C'mon. He didn't view GGG as being on his level. Outside of GGG's knockout streak, there was nothing there. No resume, no fan base, nothing.

      This is completely different from Canelo's blatant ducking of GGG. The only reasons Cotto agrees with the actions taken are because of what I previously mentioned and the reasons expressed in the article. He's not aware of the rest of this mess; he's not even aware of it being a duck by Canelo.

      It makes no sense to group them up together when there's no basis for accusing Cotto of ducking anybody.

      For crying out loud, Cotto has the BEST resume in boxing! What more do you guys want? -_-
      Last edited by SunSpace; 06-02-2016, 02:27 PM.

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        #103
        Originally posted by jorgepichardojr
        Dangling a Check ? I distinctly recall Martinez literally begging to fight cotto.
        You recall incorrectly, if you actually go look at Dibella talking about this he was looking for someone other than Golovkin as the opponent. They had options and they wanted his return fight to be in Argentina since the WBC was pressuring them to fight or be stripped. Cotto swooped in and put enough money on the table to steal the fight away. This led to the biggest quote of Dibella's existence "I wouldn't put my guy in with that monster" in reference to Golovkin.

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          #104
          Originally posted by turnedup
          You recall incorrectly, if you actually go look at Dibella talking about this he was looking for someone other than Golovkin as the opponent. They had options and they wanted his return fight to be in Argentina since the WBC was pressuring them to fight or be stripped. Cotto swooped in and put enough money on the table to steal the fight away. This led to the biggest quote of Dibella's existence "I wouldn't put my guy in with that monster" in reference to Golovkin.
          Not to dispute your post, but Sergio was actively calling out cotto for at least a couple of years. Now I could be mistaken cause it's been four years since he was calling him out and memories can distort but I remember many interviews and show were Sergio was asking for that fight.

          It wasn't until 6 months or so before the cotto v Sergio fight were cotto was talking about Martinez. But the several years before Sergio was after cotto.

          Remember "I want to beat his azz because he disrespected me in Mexico."

          Yea that was Sergio.
          Last edited by Don Pichardo; 06-02-2016, 05:59 PM.

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            #105
            Originally posted by SUBZER0ED
            ...Except Golovkin.
            And Ward, kovalev, fury and klitchko. So what wtf?

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              #106
              Originally posted by jorgepichardojr
              Not to dispute your post, but Sergio was actively calling out cotto for at least a couple of years. Now I could be mistaken cause it's been four years since he was calling him out and memories can distort but I remember many interviews and show were Sergio was asking for that fight.

              It wasn't until 6 months or so before the cotto v Sergio fight were cotto was talking about Martinez. But the several years before Sergio was after cotto.

              Remember "I want to beat his azz because he disrespected me in Mexico."

              Yea that was Sergio.
              Yeah they had beef and Cotto had been called out but Cotto was nowhere near in the realm of considered candidates because he hadn't fought at 160 and Sergio was facing a deadline or be stripped. Dibella never approached Cotto about a fight, if you go back you'll realize it was Freddie who told Cotto "You need to make this fight" and Freddie did all but call Martinez a gimp throughout the build up. The crazy thing is Sergio was not medically cleared to even run up to a month before the fight took place. This was literally using the WBC's enforcement of defenses against a champion who literally was being told by his doctors not to fight.

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                #107
                Originally posted by jorgepichardojr
                And Ward, kovalev, fury and klitchko. So what wtf?
                He was holding MW belt and was Golovkin's mandatory. He paid a step-aside fee to avoid that fight & take on Canelo instead. But you already knew that.

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                  #108
                  Originally posted by SunSpace
                  Do you guys STILL not understand? It was never fear on Cotto's part; he simply doesn't RESPECT Golovkin as meriting immediate business. He never did. Even now, when it's apparent that Canelo-GGG is the biggest fight to make, in Cotto's mind GGG remains irrelevant. This is likely due to how disconnected he can be from the sport at times, but he's still viewing it from the perspective of last year--from his point of view back then.

                  He's a businessman, and he didn't try to hide it one bit. What are people upset about? Cotto wanted to make the biggest fight in boxing, and that was versus Canelo. Why should he have fought Golovkin, back then? It made absolutely no sense. To please GGG's hardcore fans? C'mon. He didn't view GGG as being on his level. Outside of GGG's knockout streak, there was nothing there. No resume, no fan base, nothing.

                  This is completely different from Canelo's blatant ducking of GGG. The only reasons Cotto agrees with the actions taken are because of what I previously mentioned and the reasons expressed in the article. He's not aware of the rest of this mess; he's not even aware of it being a duck by Canelo.

                  It makes no sense to group them up together when there's no basis for accusing Cotto of ducking anybody.

                  For crying out loud, Cotto has the BEST resume in boxing! What more do you guys want? -_-
                  Best resume in boxing?

                  Ha ha ha

                  The guy LOST to Floyd, Manny, Canelo, Trout and Margarito

                  Who did he actually beat?

                  If he wasnt from PR, he'd be a nobody in PPV terms

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                  • SunSpace
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                    #109
                    Originally posted by Tomjas
                    Best resume in boxing?

                    Ha ha ha

                    The guy LOST to Floyd, Manny, Canelo, Trout and Margarito

                    Who did he actually beat?

                    If he wasnt from PR, he'd be a nobody in PPV terms
                    Mosley, Martinez, Geale, Judah, Malignaggi, Quintana, Torres, Bailey, Quartey, and the list goes on and on. And he fought most of his competition in their actual primes. There is simply no other active boxer who has faced a stiffer level of competition than Cotto consistently has, ever since the beginning of his career. Win or lose, he is the boxer who was most often facing the best out there. There is simply no getting around that or denying it.

                    And losing doesn't mean anything. What's the point in having an undefeated record like Mayweather's, if your resume is filled with fighters past their prime or in vulnerable spots in their career? Picking and choosing fights doesn't do much for your legacy. At the end of the day, Cotto will have a more significant legacy than Mayweather. He may not be rated above him, but he will have the better legacy.

                    Plus, with as many asterisks and question marks as there are in Cotto's losses, insinuating that they mean a lot isn't consistent with what took place in those fights. Margarito is suspected of using plaster, Cotto was weight-drained with a rookie trainer against a Pacquiao suspected of performance-enhancing drugs, had another new to professional boxing trainer for both Mayweather (also suspected of performance-enhancing drugs) and Trout (in which Cotto had a documented falling-out with that trainer). I mean, what's left, here? Canelo? I thought Cotto won that fight.

                    But, anyway, I'm not here to dispute the significance of Cotto's losses, as much as I am to simply state that, in a resume, quality is what matters. Winning and losing only have value if it's honest competition throughout a career. Cotto's career is loaded with the best competition, win or lose. And he mostly won.

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                      #110
                      Originally posted by Nomadic
                      Greed always lead to decay.
                      "Greed will imprison us all"

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