Comments Thread For: Roach: I'd Still Like Mayweather To Face a 'Healthy' Manny Pacquiao

[travestyny]

More deflections and more desperation.

So if you say all Manny did was swim, then lets see what Manny did wrong?

Nice try. You brought up something other than scuba diving.

YOU brought up something other than scuba diving. You brought up badminton, basketball, and chess. What is wrong with you?

Pacquaio said the only thing he did was swim! YOU stated that he meant only scuba diving, with no proof other than a video of him scuba diving. And you said it doesn't affect his shoulder.

ok...then how did it rehab his shoulder if it doesn't affect his shoulder?

And what did Manny do wrong if all he did was swim? Are you kidding?????


Remember this:

Testimony From Medical Sources:
"Swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."

"Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."

http://www.livestrong.com/article/391468-is-swimming-good-for-the-rotator-cuff/

With the consent of their surgeon, a patient may return to activities such as swimming between 4 and 6 months following the procedure.

http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=patient-care/articles/sports/arthroscopic-shoulder-surgery-for-the-treatment-of-rotator-cuff-tears

Type 1 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No Swimming for up to 15 weeks after surgery.

Type 2 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No swimming up to 20 weeks after surgery.

http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwhealth/docs/sportsmed/SM-27334_RTC_Repair.pdf

Return to swimming 6-8 months after surgery.

http://www.massgeneral.org/ortho-sports-medicine/conditions-treatments/pdfs/Rotator%20cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

No swimming up to 25 weeks after surgery

http://uhealthsportsmedicine.com/documents/Arthroscopic_RTC_Type_1_with_Biceps_Tenodesis.pdf

No swimming up to 19 weeks after surgery

http://www.taosortho.com/patientinfo/Medical/shoulders/Rotator-cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

Patients can return to swimming with a graduated program from 3-6 months post surgery

http://www.shouldersurgery.com.au/rotator-cuff-repair.html

No swimming for the first 4 months

http://www.uptodate.com/contents/rotator-cuff-tendinitis-and-tear-beyond-the-basics

No swimming for until months 4 - 6

http://www.orthonc.com/sites/default/files/forms/kirby/Rotator_Cuff_Repair.pdf

Can resume swimming at 3 months

http://www.sosmed.org/specialties/shoulder-elbow/rotator-cuff-tear/

[ADP02]

YOU brought up something other than scuba diving. You brought up badminton, basketball, and chess. What is wrong with you?

Pacquaio said the only thing he did was swim! YOU stated that he meant only scuba diving, with no proof other than a video of him scuba diving. And you said it doesn't affect his shoulder.

ok...then how did it rehab his shoulder if it doesn't affect his shoulder?

And what did Manny do wrong if all he did was swim? Are you kidding?????


Remember this:

Testimony From Medical Sources:
"Swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."

"Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."

http://www.livestrong.com/article/391468-is-swimming-good-for-the-rotator-cuff/

With the consent of their surgeon, a patient may return to activities such as swimming between 4 and 6 months following the procedure.

http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=patient-care/articles/sports/arthroscopic-shoulder-surgery-for-the-treatment-of-rotator-cuff-tears

Type 1 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No Swimming for up to 15 weeks after surgery.

Type 2 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No swimming up to 20 weeks after surgery.

http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwhealth/docs/sportsmed/SM-27334_RTC_Repair.pdf

Return to swimming 6-8 months after surgery.

http://www.massgeneral.org/ortho-sports-medicine/conditions-treatments/pdfs/Rotator%20cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

No swimming up to 25 weeks after surgery

http://uhealthsportsmedicine.com/documents/Arthroscopic_RTC_Type_1_with_Biceps_Tenodesis.pdf

No swimming up to 19 weeks after surgery

http://www.taosortho.com/patientinfo/Medical/shoulders/Rotator-cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

Patients can return to swimming with a graduated program from 3-6 months post surgery

http://www.shouldersurgery.com.au/rotator-cuff-repair.html

No swimming for the first 4 months

http://www.uptodate.com/contents/rotator-cuff-tendinitis-and-tear-beyond-the-basics

No swimming for until months 4 - 6

http://www.orthonc.com/sites/default/files/forms/kirby/Rotator_Cuff_Repair.pdf

Can resume swimming at 3 months
http://www.sosmed.org/specialties/sh...tor-cuff-tear/

I get it. Its Saturday night and you had a few too many. That is the only explanation I can think of now. Or maybe I was right when I said that you are getting desperate. Take your pick. Its OK.

You went there again. Scuba diving is what Manny did and he said that it helped him with his shoulder recovery. Besides irrelevant documents, do you have real evidence of what Manny did that was wrong?

[travestyny]

I get it. Its Saturday night and you had a few too many. That is the only explanation I can think of now. Or maybe I was right when I said that you are getting desperate. Take your pick. Its OK.

You went there again. Scuba diving is what Manny did and he said that it helped him with his shoulder recovery. Besides irrelevant documents, do you have real evidence of what Manny did that was wrong?

Sorry. It's Sunday afternoon, so you are wrong again.



Besides that, Manny said all he did was swim. You've been denying his own statement.

Arum said Manny has to learn the proper rehab. You claim he already knew.

Manny said he healed his shoulder in 3 months...you said he was talking about healing his scar.

Well damn, homie. With all of this information, you must be Manny! Welcome to Boxingscene!

By the way, instead of bickering back and forth like old women when you know we will NEVER EVER convince each other, I told you that I would make a poll about it. YOU AGREED and said you would participate.

The poll ended, and now you gave an excuse saying it's not legit. If that isn't desperation and bull****, I don't know what is.

You ready to end this now? I'm satisfied. How about you?

[Xi_]

This is exactly why these idiots on team Pacquiao especially Pacquiao and Roach will never get the rematch.....they're still talking reckless nonsense and not showing the victor any respect. We all know Vargas is next which is another trash fight that Pacquiao will fight but hopefully Vargas knocks Pacquiao tfo boxing permanently.

[ADP02]

Sorry. It's Sunday afternoon, so you are wrong again.



Besides that, Manny said all he did was swim. You've been denying his own statement.

Arum said Manny has to learn the proper rehab. You claim he already knew.

Manny said he healed his shoulder in 3 months...you said he was talking about healing his scar.

Well damn, homie. With all of this information, you must be Manny! Welcome to Boxingscene!

By the way, instead of bickering back and forth like old women when you know we will NEVER EVER convince each other, I told you that I would make a poll about it. YOU AGREED and said you would participate.

The poll ended, and now you gave an excuse saying it's not legit. If that isn't desperation and bull****, I don't know what is.

You ready to end this now? I'm satisfied. How about you?

Your location states Queens, NY .... its Saturday night in NY.


You are intentionally avoiding other statements made by Manny and others.

Sorry but you cannot get around this statement:
Manny did SELF REHAB and his doctor was AMAZED. It helped ease Arum and others since a professional doctor concluded that they were AMAZED!!!

Plus Manny had surgery and was confirmed by a renowned doctor. Not a no name doctor, which was good enough for you as far as Floyd is concerned. You have NOTHING!!!

Manny saying that he was healed did not mean that he was ready to train for a fight. For that it would take many more months. Its just like others who had FULL THICKNESS tears and stated that they are healed/recovered quickly. So its nothing out of the ordinary.

There is nothing to convince because you have nothing!!!! Manny did do SELF REHAB and there are several articles that agree with my statement. YOU HAVE NOTHING!!!





You have not responded to the below. This is what Floyd/Ellerbe said. They lied, right? Why?:
Floyd said he used an IV because he was dehydrated due to:
- Giving urine. Nobody believes this
- Giving blood 10 days before. Go check out what USADA says about this. They do not believe Floyd.
- Training but that subsided and stopped on the day of the weigh in.

[travestyny]

Your location states Queens, NY .... its Saturday night in NY.


You are intentionally avoiding other statements made by Manny and others.

Sorry but you cannot get around this statement:
Manny did SELF REHAB and his doctor was AMAZED. It helped ease Arum and others since a professional doctor concluded that they were AMAZED!!!

Plus Manny had surgery and was confirmed by a renowned doctor. Not a no name doctor, which was good enough for you as far as Floyd is concerned. You have NOTHING!!!

Manny saying that he was healed did not mean that he was ready to train for a fight. For that it would take many more months. Its just like others who had FULL THICKNESS tears and stated that they are healed/recovered quickly. So its nothing out of the ordinary.

There is nothing to convince because you have nothing!!!! Manny did do SELF REHAB and there are several articles that agree with my statement. YOU HAVE NOTHING!!!





You have not responded to the below. This is what Floyd/Ellerbe said. They lied, right? Why?:
Floyd said he used an IV because he was dehydrated due to:
- Giving urine. Nobody believes this
- Giving blood 10 days before. Go check out what USADA says about this. They do not believe Floyd.
- Training but that subsided and stopped on the day of the weigh in.

1. I'm from Queens, NY. I am not in Queens, NY.

2. Self-Rehab=what? Only Swimming? We've gone thru this already. Tell me, how many lies came from his team? You believe Arum's statement about what the doctor said? Arum had no choice but to try to spin it, like I already said, yet you claim I used that statement to my benefit, when I proved to you that I've always maintained that statement was about Arum trying to spin Pacquaio ****ing up. He also claimed they sent paperwork about Manny's injury before the fight. NSAC came out and said that was a blatant lie. You still believe him. Carry on.

3. When the going gets tough, you deflect to Mayweather. Well ok. Mayweather said he was dehydrated due to giving urine, blood, and training. Why is that crazy? What else would he be dehydrated from? Why do boxers become dehydrated? From training, right? Maintaining their weight at a threshold before the weigh-in. He also mentioned he had to give blood and urine. I've asked you plenty of times, could this have put him in a chronic state of dehydration until the weigh-in? Your answer is "he didn't have that." Thanks for your expertise.


Are you ready to let it go now? It's been played out for awhile. Can we agree to drop it, because I'm tired of giving you the same questions that you can't answer.

[ADP02]

1. I'm from Queens, NY. I am not in Queens, NY.

2. Self-Rehab=what? Only Swimming? We've gone thru this already. Tell me, how many lies came from his team? You believe Arum's statement about what the doctor said? Arum had no choice but to try to spin it, like I already said, yet you claim I used that statement to my benefit, when I proved to you that I've always maintained that statement was about Arum trying to spin Pacquaio ****ing up. He also claimed they sent paperwork about Manny's injury before the fight. NSAC came out and said that was a blatant lie. You still believe him. Carry on.

3. When the going gets tough, you deflect to Mayweather. Well ok. Mayweather said he was dehydrated due to giving urine, blood, and training. Why is that crazy? What else would he be dehydrated from? Why do boxers become dehydrated? From training, right? Maintaining their weight at a threshold before the weigh-in. He also mentioned he had to give blood and urine. I've asked you plenty of times, could this have put him in a chronic state of dehydration until the weigh-in? Your answer is "he didn't have that." Thanks for your expertise.


Are you ready to let it go now? It's been played out for awhile. Can we agree to drop it, because I'm tired of giving you the same questions that you can't answer.

1. OK ... so its desperation not alcohol related. Got it


2. Like I told you, its irrelevant for several reasons. Manny still needed to be very cautious after removing the sling. According to Manny, he had recovered enough to do activites that he had to avoid or limit beforehand.

Arum: Nope. The statement initially came from Manny. You know, that Manny was doing SELF REHAB and was progressing well. So no worries. Then Arum had his doctor see the SELF REHAB video. Once the doctor said AMAZING, Manny's team felt better but they still maintained that Manny should go see soemone.

You do not have to thank me for clarifying this one.


3.
a) URINE: You do not get dehydrated because you gave urine. So that is a lie.
b) Blood: Blood given 10 days before does not affect you. This was Floyd's team, USADA and Floyd's fans statement for 5+ years and that was with taking into account if Manny gave blood the day before the fight not 10 days. And similarly for giving blood then training . For Floyd we are discussing 10 days. So this is a complete lie!!!
c) Floyd's training had tapered off. Floyd had just weighed in. So it would not affect Floyd. Remember that Floyd said that he made weight EASILY and Floyd's weight was close to 146 a week before the weigh in.

Chronic Dehydration: Chronic dehydration usually affects older people or those with health concerns. As far as athletes, it's primarily due to an athletes inexperience which means it happens to young athletes. Often the athlete dehydrates after a workout and does not know how to rehydrate themselves. Floyd has been in the business long enough and had the expertise of Dr Alex Ariza and consulted with Memo Heredia who monitored Floyd's body.


Floyd had little of anything. Like I said, no matter what you want to call it, it was at most mild dehydration. All Floyd had to do was drink some fluids and he would be FULLY REHYDRATED. Again, he did that after the weigh in!!!


SO Floyd lied and did not require an IV.

[travestyny]

1. OK ... so its desperation not alcohol related. Got it


2. Like I told you, its irrelevant for several reasons. Manny still needed to be very cautious after removing the sling. According to Manny, he had recovered enough to do activites that he had to avoid or limit beforehand.

Arum: Nope. The statement initially came from Manny. You know, that Manny was doing SELF REHAB and was progressing well. So no worries. Then Arum had his doctor see the SELF REHAB video. Once the doctor said AMAZING, Manny's team felt better but they still maintained that Manny should go see soemone.

You do not have to thank me for clarifying this one.


3.
a) URINE: You do not get dehydrated because you gave urine. So that is a lie.
b) Blood: Blood given 10 days before does not affect you. This was Floyd's team, USADA and Floyd's fans statement for 5+ years and that was with taking into account if Manny gave blood the day before the fight not 10 days. And similarly for giving blood then training . For Floyd we are discussing 10 days. So this is a complete lie!!!
c) Floyd's training had tapered off. Floyd had just weighed in. So it would not affect Floyd. Remember that Floyd said that he made weight EASILY and Floyd's weight was close to 146 a week before the weigh in.

Chronic Dehydration: Chronic dehydration usually affects older people or those with health concerns. As far as athletes, it's primarily due to an athletes inexperience which means it happens to young athletes. Often the athlete dehydrates after a workout and does not know how to rehydrate themselves. Floyd has been in the business long enough and had the expertise of Dr Alex Ariza and consulted with Memo Heredia who monitored Floyd's body.


Floyd had little of anything. Like I said, no matter what you want to call it, it was at most mild dehydration. All Floyd had to do was drink some fluids and he would be FULLY REHYDRATED. Again, he did that after the weigh in!!!


SO Floyd lied and did not require an IV.

Another reason that I give you such blatant disrespect is because you have the nerve to type such absolute bull****, and you do it with such a smug attitude, as if you've said something worthy. It's ridiculous.

As for #2, are you going to reveal how he rehabbed, Mr. Know it all. Because he said he only swam. Now, I've asked you and another poster have both asked you if he was lying when he made this statement.

To this day, you have not answered.

As for #3, urination can add onto dehydration. I doubt this was a major reason for his dehydration, but it's obvious that losing water through urination can cause dehydration. You can look that up. Giving blood can also, and it seems obvious because of the schedule that USADA gave that he means the dehydration was over the course of the camp, which culminated with him taking the IV after the weigh-in. I imagine that most of the cause for his dehydration would be due to training. I'm glad that you were in his camp to know everything he does. Tell us more about his training schedule. Was he running still, or did he just lie around being a fat a$$?

Funny how you say Pac's doctor is bulletproof, yet you blatantly accuse a government agency of lying for him. Hmm. You have zero information about his condition. You try to throw that back at me with regards to Pac, but what you can't get through your head is that for pac

A. He lied from the beginning about when the injury occurred.
B. Said he was not injured before the fight
C. Didn't appear to be injured during the fight.
D. Didn't mention the injury in the ring after the fight
E. Didn't go to rehab to find out what exercises to do.

So he says he wasn't injured before the fight, he didn't appear to be injured during the fight, and he didn't behave like someone who was injured after the fight.

And this doesn't hit you as odd at all. You know if that were Floyd, you'd have the same field day that I've had with your darling Manny.

Can we drop it now? Or do you want this to go on another year? As far as I'm concerned, the poll spoke, and this has been done since that poll concluded. Why can't you move on?

[Spoon23]

This is exactly why these idiots on team Pacquiao especially Pacquiao and Roach will never get the rematch.....they're still talking reckless nonsense and not showing the victor any respect. We all know Vargas is next which is another trash fight that Pacquiao will fight but hopefully Vargas knocks Pacquiao tfo boxing permanently.

Ahmm.. Coz there are so many reasons proving he didn't actually deserve the win might be it? And that victor wasn't really a victor?

1. Blind judges far out scoring (Dave Moretti is Floyd's judge 20x already in Nevada)




2. Compubox was rigged. More like compublind



Compublind, that's another way of putting this manipulation of perception.

3. Referee Kenny Bayless allowing Floyd to illegally hug with no warning or penalty at all for those ***** boxing that resulted in a cat and mouse boring fight.

4. Biased treatment of Nsac for allowing TUE 3 weeks after the fight absolving Floyd of his IV sins while Pac with a disclosed injury didn't even get a shot of legal Tarodol shot. Biased much? Eyes wide open.

5. Biased treatment of USADA for allowing Floyd to use IVs when it's a forbidden rule in the wada code they strictly follow on. And to this day no usada explanation of Floyd's bogus dehydration that needed 750 IVS.( and off course we know Floyd paid USADA 4x the normal rate of testing to an athlete not to mention the glaring conflict of interest, when your own employer is the one USADA is testing lol)



6. After careful post fight analysis, Pac landed the more cleaner more effective shots and not only that the more connected shots per round, making him the true winner.

7. Pac owned the center of the ring and pushed Floyd back over and over for 12 rounds making him the one who owned the ring.

8. I didn't think we watched a fight to be able to see a cat and mouse event, this ain't no track meet, this was suppose to be a 'fight' I can't blame Pac for being aggressive and pushing the action he was trying and landing, but the other guy just wanted to run and survive for 12 rounds. and the crazy thing is that guy was a awarded the win lol

9. The boos resonated from the MGM and across the pacific after Floyd was announced the winner of a marathon event. That ain't what a winner should receive?

10. Boxing is hit and not get hit. The thing is Pac countered the counter puncher and connected more and was hit back less. So that's that too..

Conclusion: yup, that's why, victory is only achieved when it was and is deserving of that accolade, but as you can see. It's Vegas that gave Floyd that fluke win. It ain't even a win at all. More like a gift win that didn't prove jack who really won that night.

[travestyny]

Ahmm.. Coz there are so many reasons proving he didn't actually deserve the win might be it? And that victor wasn't really a victor?

1. Blind judges

2. Compubox

3. Referee

4. Biased treatment of Nsac

5. Biased treatment of USADA

6. After careful post fight analysis,

7. Pac owned the center of the ring and pushed Floyd back over and over for 12 rounds

8. I didn't think we watched a fight to be able to see a cat and mouse event

9. The boos resonated from the MGM and across the pacific

10. Boxing is hit and not get hit.

It's Vegas that gave Floyd that fluke win. It ain't even a win at all. More like a gift win that didn't prove jack who really won that night.

hahahaha. Damn!!!! Floyd ruined your life!!!!!