Comments Thread For: Roach: I'd Still Like Mayweather To Face a 'Healthy' Manny Pacquiao

[JJRalkman]

For a guy who can't teach any of his fighters to adjust in the ring, Roach sure can adjust his excuses whenever his fighters lose.

"All Floyd did was run and play to the judges scorecards"
"Manny was injured he would win healthy in a rematch"
"Floyd didn't actually win Manny was robbed"

I'm just waiting for the wrong socks excuse to make its glorious return.

[Dosumpthin]

Ahmm.. Coz there are so many reasons proving he didn't actually deserve the win might be it? And that victor wasn't really a victor?

1. Blind judges far out scoring (Dave Moretti is Floyd's judge 20x already in Nevada)




2. Compubox was rigged. More like compublind



Compublind, that's another way of putting this manipulation of perception.

3. Referee Kenny Bayless allowing Floyd to illegally hug with no warning or penalty at all for those ***** boxing that resulted in a cat and mouse boring fight.

4. Biased treatment of Nsac for allowing TUE 3 weeks after the fight absolving Floyd of his IV sins while Pac with a disclosed injury didn't even get a shot of legal Tarodol shot. Biased much? Eyes wide open.

5. Biased treatment of USADA for allowing Floyd to use IVs when it's a forbidden rule in the wada code they strictly follow on. And to this day no usada explanation of Floyd's bogus dehydration that needed 750 IVS.( and off course we know Floyd paid USADA 4x the normal rate of testing to an athlete not to mention the glaring conflict of interest, when your own employer is the one USADA is testing lol)



6. After careful post fight analysis, Pac landed the more cleaner more effective shots and not only that the more connected shots per round, making him the true winner.

7. Pac owned the center of the ring and pushed Floyd back over and over for 12 rounds making him the one who owned the ring.

8. I didn't think we watched a fight to be able to see a cat and mouse event, this ain't no track meet, this was suppose to be a 'fight' I can't blame Pac for being aggressive and pushing the action he was trying and landing, but the other guy just wanted to run and survive for 12 rounds. and the crazy thing is that guy was a awarded the win lol

9. The boos resonated from the MGM and across the pacific after Floyd was announced the winner of a marathon event. That ain't what a winner should receive?

10. Boxing is hit and not get hit. The thing is Pac countered the counter puncher and connected more and was hit back less. So that's that too..

Conclusion: yup, that's why, victory is only achieved when it was and is deserving of that accolade, but as you can see. It's Vegas that gave Floyd that fluke win. It ain't even a win at all. More like a gift win that didn't prove jack who really won that night.

I sometimes wonder how many people stop reading your post after the first two sentences?

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Another reason that I give you such blatant disrespect is because you have the nerve to type such absolute bull****, and you do it with such a smug attitude, as if you've said something worthy. It's ridiculous.

As for #2, are you going to reveal how he rehabbed, Mr. Know it all. Because he said he only swam. Now, I've asked you and another poster have both asked you if he was lying when he made this statement.

To this day, you have not answered.

As for #3, urination can add onto dehydration. I doubt this was a major reason for his dehydration, but it's obvious that losing water through urination can cause dehydration. You can look that up. Giving blood can also, and it seems obvious because of the schedule that USADA gave that he means the dehydration was over the course of the camp, which culminated with him taking the IV after the weigh-in. I imagine that most of the cause for his dehydration would be due to training. I'm glad that you were in his camp to know everything he does. Tell us more about his training schedule. Was he running still, or did he just lie around being a fat a$$?

Funny how you say Pac's doctor is bulletproof, yet you blatantly accuse a government agency of lying for him. Hmm. You have zero information about his condition. You try to throw that back at me with regards to Pac, but what you can't get through your head is that for pac

A. He lied from the beginning about when the injury occurred.
B. Said he was not injured before the fight
C. Didn't appear to be injured during the fight.
D. Didn't mention the injury in the ring after the fight
E. Didn't go to rehab to find out what exercises to do.

So he says he wasn't injured before the fight, he didn't appear to be injured during the fight, and he didn't behave like someone who was injured after the fight.

And this doesn't hit you as odd at all. You know if that were Floyd, you'd have the same field day that I've had with your darling Manny.

Can we drop it now? Or do you want this to go on another year? As far as I'm concerned, the poll spoke, and this has been done since that poll concluded. Why can't you move on?

#1 - You are welcome

#2 - I do not need to reveal anything, as I have mentioned already. Once I got confirmation from several quotes that Manny was doing SELF REHAB and his doctor was AMAZED with his SELF REHAB, I was OK with that. Well, the proof is in the pudding. Manny continued his progress over the months and then spanked Bradley.

Until this day, you have not answered with any evidence, what Manny did wrong. I want to know so I can debunk that just like I did your flag waving evidence.



#3
URINE: Sorry bud, I do not buy that and from that statement, you do not believe it either. It was a lie but you can't say it, can you?

Blood: "In most cases the amount of blood that will be drawn for Doping Control will be less than a tablespoon. As the human body has approximately 6 liters, or 379 tablespoons of blood, the amount of blood collected for Doping Control is minimal. To put this into further perspective. When donating blood, a unit of blood, which is roughly 450 ml, is withdrawn from the body. That's 12% of the total volume of blood in the human body. Those 450 ml of blood are replenished within 24 hours."

Floyd had less than a tablespoon removed 10 days before. Yup, its a lie!!!


Training: Unless Floyd had problems making weight, at most his training by then would be to stay sharp and for game planning. There may also be some high intensity but for a very short period of time. But once it gets to weigh in, resting the body is a good thing. No, I'm not in his camp but logically speaking, you are not trying to severally dehydrate yourself prior to a big fight. That makes no sense. From experience, you do minimal activities before a big event and like I said, resting your body is a good thing at that point in time.
The point is, at that point in time, an IV would not be neccessary. If it was a few weeks before, I can see the possibility (only if it made sense) but not after a weigh-in that he made easily!!!


So Floyd lied and used an IV. We get it. Its time that you do too.




Nobody is bullet proof but your evidence is very leaky!!!

Just like Castillo couldn't believe Floyd was injured and he was right in front of him. How come? Floyd lied?


REHAB: Manny did SELF REHAB. I pointed out that they advised Manny what he can and cannot do after he took off the sling. If you and I can check up the internet programs that doctors recommend, I'm sure that you do not believe yourself when you say that Manny had no advice.

I gave you plenty of quotes that Manny was doing SELF REHAB and was also advised about being cautious of what he should and shouldn't do after he had already removed the sling. You said that didn't happen. Again, you have no proof, I showed you articles with quotes!


No matter what was said, Manny was injured. He just felt good enough to go, maybe. It got worse during the fight. Simple enough to understand. I have been in his shoes for activities that I had to pay for. Manny was getting about $80 million. Hard decision at this stage in their careers. Maybe the fight never happens if it gets postponed. If you know sports, you know this happens every day and I'm not just talking about boxing. In some sports its easier because they are team sports. Someone else can take over if you just cannot continue after the first quarter/period/inning. Boxing you are on your own. Roach said even after he said his fighter was good enough to fight that many times boxers come into fights with some kind of issue. Floyd said that too.


In retrospect, Roach was right that they should have postponed the fight. Due to talk of retirement for both and the event was enormous and there was just too much money on the table to listen to Roach.

[travestyny]

#1 - You are welcome

#2 - I do not need to reveal anything, as I have mentioned already. Once I got confirmation from several quotes that Manny was doing SELF REHAB and his doctor was AMAZED with his SELF REHAB, I was OK with that. Well, the proof is in the pudding. Manny continued his progress over the months and then spanked Bradley.

Until this day, you have not answered with any evidence, what Manny did wrong. I want to know so I can debunk that just like I did your flag waving evidence.



#3
URINE: Sorry bud, I do not buy that and from that statement, you do not believe it either. It was a lie but you can't say it, can you?

Blood: "In most cases the amount of blood that will be drawn for Doping Control will be less than a tablespoon. As the human body has approximately 6 liters, or 379 tablespoons of blood, the amount of blood collected for Doping Control is minimal. To put this into further perspective. When donating blood, a unit of blood, which is roughly 450 ml, is withdrawn from the body. That's 12% of the total volume of blood in the human body. Those 450 ml of blood are replenished within 24 hours."

Floyd had less than a tablespoon removed 10 days before. Yup, its a lie!!!


Training: Unless Floyd had problems making weight, at most his training by then would be to stay sharp and for game planning. There may also be some high intensity but for a very short period of time. But once it gets to weigh in, resting the body is a good thing. No, I'm not in his camp but logically speaking, you are not trying to severally dehydrate yourself prior to a big fight. That makes no sense. From experience, you do minimal activities before a big event and like I said, resting your body is a good thing at that point in time.
The point is, at that point in time, an IV would not be neccessary. If it was a few weeks before, I can see the possibility (only if it made sense) but not after a weigh-in that he made easily!!!


So Floyd lied and used an IV. We get it. Its time that you do too.




Nobody is bullet proof but your evidence is very leaky!!!

Just like Castillo couldn't believe Floyd was injured and he was right in front of him. How come? Floyd lied?


REHAB: Manny did SELF REHAB. I pointed out that they advised Manny what he can and cannot do after he took off the sling. If you and I can check up the internet programs that doctors recommend, I'm sure that you do not believe yourself when you say that Manny had no advice.

I gave you plenty of quotes that Manny was doing SELF REHAB and was also advised about being cautious of what he should and shouldn't do after he had already removed the sling. You said that didn't happen. Again, you have no proof, I showed you articles with quotes!


No matter what was said, Manny was injured. He just felt good enough to go, maybe. It got worse during the fight. Simple enough to understand. I have been in his shoes for activities that I had to pay for. Manny was getting about $80 million. Hard decision at this stage in their careers. Maybe the fight never happens if it gets postponed. If you know sports, you know this happens every day and I'm not just talking about boxing. In some sports its easier because they are team sports. Someone else can take over if you just cannot continue after the first quarter/period/inning. Boxing you are on your own. Roach said even after he said his fighter was good enough to fight that many times boxers come into fights with some kind of issue. Floyd said that too.


In retrospect, Roach was right that they should have postponed the fight. Due to talk of retirement for both and the event was enormous and there was just too much money on the table to listen to Roach.

blah blah blah. You and your books! This is very simple.

1. Why did he say, ALL I DID WAS SWIM. I DIDN'T REHAB.

2. Why did Arum say HE NEEDS TO LEARN WHAT KIND OF REHAB TO DO.

Still ducking that.

Was his self rehab just swimming??? Yes or no? If no, how do you reconcile that with his statement?


From the Mayo Clinic:
Causes of dehydration:

Increased urination. This may be due to undiagnosed or uncontrolled diabetes. Certain medications, such as diuretics and some blood pressure medications, also can lead to dehydration, generally because they cause you to urinate or perspire more than normal.

Anything else? Please, if you want to continue, stop ducking my questions above. Thanks.

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blah blah blah. You and your books! This is very simple.

1. Why did he say, ALL I DID WAS SWIM. I DIDN'T REHAB.

2. Why did Arum say HE NEEDS TO LEARN WHAT KIND OF REHAB TO DO.

Still ducking that.

Was his self rehab just swimming??? Yes or no? If no, how do you reconcile that with his statement?


From the Mayo Clinic:
Causes of dehydration:

Increased urination. This may be due to undiagnosed or uncontrolled diabetes. Certain medications, such as diuretics and some blood pressure medications, also can lead to dehydration, generally because they cause you to urinate or perspire more than normal.

Anything else? Please, if you want to continue, stop ducking my questions above. Thanks.

Already explained and you know it.

1. Manny said he didn't do REHAB. We got that. He was supposed to go to USA to see the doctor and for REHAB. He didn't. You want me to say it again? .... but there are plenty of articles with quotes saying that he did SELF REHAB.

2. Arum then was OK after Manny's doctor saw a video of Manny's SELF REHAB. Who is the pro here? Arum or Manny's doctor?

3. We do not have all the details but if you have something, please share it. You are doing a lot of talking with NO PROOF!!!
Manny was NOT doing REHAB. He was doing SELF REHAB and his doctor was AMAZED.

Again, show your proof so I can debunk it. YOU HAVE NOTHING!!!



Increased urination: Read what you quoted. Did you laugh while you C/P?
I did.

To start, Floyd claimed that he couldn't even urinate. That is the opposite of increased urination. Secondly, there were no medical conditions that you posted that were on Floyd pre-fight form. Some of those would more than likely be illegal and require another TUE!!! Finally, Floyd said "Giving urine contributed to his dehydration" That is very different than anything that you posted.

Lets face it Floyd LIED!!! You know it and cannot get out of that one.

[travestyny]

Already explained and you know it.

1. Manny said he didn't do REHAB. We got that. He was supposed to go to USA to see the doctor and for REHAB. He didn't. You want me to say it again? .... but there are plenty of articles with quotes saying that he did SELF REHAB.

Ok, we got the first part finally. Thank you for that. So what you are saying is that he didn't do the doctor's rehab, but he did his own rehab. ok

Now, feel free to address the other part honestly. He said ALL I DID WAS SWIM. Does this mean that his self-rehab consisted of only swimming? If not, did he lie?

2. Arum then was OK after Manny's doctor saw a video of Manny's SELF REHAB. Who is the pro here? Arum or Manny's doctor?

Arum said Manny's doctor was amazed. Arum also said he sent papers to NSAC about the injury. Arum also said today I'm telling the truth, yesterday I was lying. So...don't see your point.

3. We do not have all the details but if you have something, please share it. You are doing a lot of talking with NO PROOF!!!
Manny was NOT doing REHAB. He was doing SELF REHAB and his doctor was AMAZED.

Yep, got it. He only did swimming, yet just about every medical document on this surgery, including a video from the very surgeon that did the surgery, warns against swimming, and you want me to believe what Arum says. Riiiight.

Again, show your proof so I can debunk it. YOU HAVE NOTHING!!!

If there was something further that you can debunk, you would have done it when we already handled this at the thread with the poll. You know..the one that ended in my favor. Your self-proclaimed claim to fame is debunking the flag. Great for you. You haven't done anything since then, and you know it. This is the reason that you keep bringing up the flag. How often do I bring up you not knowing the meaning of "or," or you claiming I was speculating about Manny's degree of injury, which I proved you wrong about, or you saying the degree of injury doesn't matter but before saying that it did matter because he was truly one armed, or all of the other contradictions and just **** you were wrong about. I've stayed on topic because this is easy.

He said he only swam. Now...was that his self-rehab or not? Last time I want to ask that.

Increased urination: Read what you quoted. Did you laugh while you C/P?
I did.

To start, Floyd claimed that he couldn't even urinate. That is the opposite of increased urination. Secondly, there were no medical conditions that you posted that were on Floyd pre-fight form. Some of those would more than likely be illegal and require another TUE!!! Finally, Floyd said "Giving urine contributed to his dehydration" That is very different than anything that you posted.

You wanted proof that urination can contribute to dehydration, and I gave it to you. Do I believe that was a major cause for his dehydration. No, I don't. I've stated that already. I believe the major cause was maintaining his weight and training. If you want to know if he had some condition that made him need to urinate more than normal, which is why he had no urine when USADA came, or any condition that made the IV more appropriate than drinking, feel free to ask for his medical records. They should be able to clear this up.

Lets face it Floyd LIED!!! You know it and cannot get out of that one.

Yet you can't prove it. Mounds and mounds of evidence about Pac...plus Pacquaio blatantly lying over and over, along with his team. And you don't accept it.

Actually, I have one more question to go along with the ONLY SWIMMING question.

Do you believe that Manny lied about any part of this injury? Any part at all? Because you know I will damn sure go back to that poll thread, fish some **** out, and post them right here for you to continue to squirm. So let's see what you think.

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Ok, we got the first part finally. Thank you for that. So what you are saying is that he didn't do the doctor's rehab, but he did his own rehab. ok

Now, feel free to address the other part honestly. He said ALL I DID WAS SWIM. Does this mean that his self-rehab consisted of only swimming? If not, did he lie?



Arum said Manny's doctor was amazed. Arum also said he sent papers to NSAC about the injury. Arum also said today I'm telling the truth, yesterday I was lying. So...don't see your point.


Yep, got it. He only did swimming, yet just about every medical document on this surgery, including a video from the very surgeon that did the surgery, warns against swimming, and you want me to believe what Arum says. Riiiight.


If there was something further that you can debunk, you would have done it when we already handled this at the thread with the poll. You know..the one that ended in my favor. Your self-proclaimed claim to fame is debunking the flag. Great for you. You haven't done anything since then, and you know it. This is the reason that you keep bringing up the flag. How often do I bring up you not knowing the meaning of "or," or you claiming I was speculating about Manny's degree of injury, which I proved you wrong about, or you saying the degree of injury doesn't matter but before saying that it did matter because he was truly one armed, or all of the other contradictions and just **** you were wrong about. I've stayed on topic because this is easy.

He said he only swam. Now...was that his self-rehab or not? Last time I want to ask that.


You wanted proof that urination can contribute to dehydration, and I gave it to you. Do I believe that was a major cause for his dehydration. No, I don't. I've stated that already. I believe the major cause was maintaining his weight and training. If you want to know if he had some condition that made him need to urinate more than normal, which is why he had no urine when USADA came, or any condition that made the IV more appropriate than drinking, feel free to ask for his medical records. They should be able to clear this up.



Yet you can't prove it. Mounds and mounds of evidence about Pac...plus Pacquaio blatantly lying over and over, along with his team. And you don't accept it.

Actually, I have one more question to go along with the ONLY SWIMMING question.

Do you believe that Manny lied about any part of this injury? Any part at all? Because you know I will damn sure go back to that poll thread, fish some **** out, and post them right here for you to continue to squirm. So let's see what you think.

You said that I was speculating that Manny received information after his surgery. I told you that Manny had to have received instructions. This included what exercises (REHAB) that he can and should do and which ones he should not do. You said that I was wrong. Right?


What we do know is that after his surgery the doctor prescribed Manny to do REHAB. That meant that Manny was given a plan by the doctor/PT before Manny even left for his country. This is obvious in this case since they know that Manny lives far (not close to LA, USA) .... more on that below.


What we both agree on is that close to 2 months after his surgery, Manny was supposed to go back to see the doctor and do REHAB at the clinic. He didn't do that but like I said, nearly 2 months went by so it would make no sense that they told Manny to do nothing for 2 months unless his injury required 2 months of doing nothing. We both know that was not the case.

Manny's quotes agree with what I'm saying since they advised Manny what to do with the sling on and even after the sling was off on what he should do and shouldn't do. Manny also said that he was doing SELF REHAB.

We do not know exactly what he did. Do you? But like I said, the plan was set already. The point of seeing the doctor and the PT is obvious. They would see how he is doing and tweak the REHAB program if required ... BUT most of the work would still be done in Manny's country.


Manny's doctor and "Recovering from Surgery:
Your required post-operative care is determined by your surgeon and your condition following the surgery. Your physician will write specific post-operative directions for you and for your physical or occupational therapist if needed."

"Physical Therapy
Your physician may decide to prescribe physical therapy before and / or after your surgical procedure. Learn more about our physical therapy services here."


As we both know, Manny's doctor did prescribe PT and now you can read that this included instructions specific to Manny.


The below information agrees with my point that the plan was given to Manny. As I stated above:


"Each patient is provided with a physical therapy plan specific to his or her needs in order to recover fully. This treatment may include:
-Manual “hands-on” therapy
-Joint mobilization
-Stretching and other the****utic exercises
-Patient education on posture and body mechanics
-The****utic exercises"



Like I said, months went by and Manny still was quoted as saying he was being advised on what to do without the sling.


What we do know is that Manny showed them his SELF REHAB. They could have tweaked what Manny was doing and maybe did ..... still they were AMAZED at Manny's SELF REHAB.



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[travestyny]

You said that I was speculating that Manny received information after his surgery. I told you that Manny had to have received instructions. This included what exercises (REHAB) that he can and should do and which ones he should not do. You said that I was wrong. Right?

Yes, I said that you were speculating. All I see is more speculation here in this post. Though I'm tired of this, I will once again explain by going through each chunk of this *sigh*.

What we do know is that after his surgery the doctor prescribed Manny to do REHAB. That meant that Manny was given a plan by the doctor/PT before Manny even left for his country. This is obvious in this case since they know that Manny lives far (not close to LA, USA) .... more on that below.

If this is so obvious, why did they want him to return from the Phils and travel to America? That seems very inconvenient. After he decided to ditch this idea, why did they make such a big deal about flying a PT out to the Phils for him? Do you see how your speculation doesn't add up with the actual events? Think clearly, now. If he knew enough...ok, stay there. Do what you have to do. No need for you to return or for us to send anyone.

What we both agree on is that close to 2 months after his surgery, Manny was supposed to go back to see the doctor and do REHAB at the clinic. He didn't do that but like I said, nearly 2 months went by so it would make no sense that they told Manny to do nothing for 2 months unless his injury required 2 months of doing nothing. We both know that was not the case.

I don't know if you are intentionally doing this, but you are giving misleading information. He obviously can't begin rehab while he is in the sling, and he was set to be in the sling for at least 4 weeks, so that is not 2 months of doing nothing. The doctor stated that range of motion will be limited for 6 weeks. This is NOT rehab. This is telling him what to do not to stress his shoulder too much, how he can move it, what he should avoid doing, etc. We know when rehab was to begin. The start of rehab was July 4th. What was he doing, as per the below link dated June 30th....keeping himself busy with bible study and coaching his basketball team. Go see for yourself, but it says when serious rehab was to start.

"Manny is coming over to see the doctor and then he will start his serious rehab," Arum said. "He'll stay here for probably about two weeks and then he will go back to the Philippines. One of the rehab guys will go with him to make sure he is doing his rehab program the right way."
http://www.digitaljournal.com/sports...article/437190
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/sports...#ixzz4G1hF7yHx

Arum was expecting Pacquiao to return to Los Angeles by July 4 to discuss his rehabilitation program with Dr. Neal ElAttrache of the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopedic Clinic, who performed the surgery, but the "Pacman" cancelled his appointment.

“When you have an operation like that you’ve got to get into rehab. You’ve got to get the doctor to look at it and to guide you as to the kind of rehab that you’ve got to do,” said Arum.
Read more: http://sports.inquirer.net/187271/bo...#ixzz4G1bVxkoL
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Manny's quotes agree with what I'm saying since they advised Manny what to do with the sling on and even after the sling was off on what he should do and shouldn't do. Manny also said that he was doing SELF REHAB.

Talking about what he should do for early motion is not rehab. If you want to argue that it is non-serious rehab, as my above quotation says he will start serious rehab, by all means go for it. What is made clear is that he was to return in July for serious rehab. He then doesn't go, and later states, "I never did rehab. All I did was swim." I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand. You are in love with him, but you blatantly disregard what he has said to you. Again, and hopefully the last time, self-rehab (of only swimming?) is not necessarily what the doctor would prescribe, and you and I both have found information that says following the doctor's prescribed rehab is the most important thing.

We do not know exactly what he did. Do you? But like I said, the plan was set already. The point of seeing the doctor and the PT is obvious. They would see how he is doing and tweak the REHAB program if required ... BUT most of the work would still be done in Manny's country.

Tweek it??? See, this is what I mean by your speculation. It clearly says they were going to start serious rehab. Arum's quote said he has to find out what kind of rehab to do, and you are saying they were going to TWEEK IT IF REQUIRED. Come on. Do you concede now that this visit was not to tweek anything. They wouldn't call him back to America to tweek something...IF REQUIRED. That's outlandish.

Manny's doctor and "Recovering from Surgery:
Your required post-operative care is determined by your surgeon and your condition following the surgery. Your physician will write specific post-operative directions for you and for your physical or occupational therapist if needed."

I have no problem with the above quotation. He is going to write things for him and the physical therapist if needed. Ok...did he write something up for Pacquaio? When. Was Pac in the Phils still and unable to get it? He couldn't have written it up for the PT because apparently Pac didn't have one, according to his own quotation. Before he left, were the instructions about the serious rehab? Doesn't seem like it since he was to report back on July 4th. I feel like a broken record.

"Physical Therapy
Your physician may decide to prescribe physical therapy before and / or after your surgical procedure. Learn more about our physical therapy services here."

It's obvious PT was prescribed. Not sure why it's important to add this. He was to return on July 4th to find out THE KIND OF REHAB HE SHOULD DO.

As we both know, Manny's doctor did prescribe PT and now you can read that this included instructions specific to Manny.

It did? More speculation? What I read clearly states he had to return to find out about serious rehab, and he didn't. He then said he didn't rehab but only swam. Yawwwnnnnnn.

The below information agrees with my point that the plan was given to Manny. As I stated above:


"Each patient is provided with a physical therapy plan specific to his or her needs in order to recover fully. This treatment may include:
-Manual “hands-on” therapy
-Joint mobilization
-Stretching and other the****utic exercises
-Patient education on posture and body mechanics
-The****utic exercises"

Was it given to him? Was he in the country? HE WASN'T THERE WHEN THE REHABILITATION PROGRAM WAS TO BEGIN!

Like I said, months went by and Manny still was quoted as saying he was being advised on what to do without the sling.

Never read him say that, but being advised on what to do without the sling is not the same as rehabilitating. I think you know that.

What we do know is that Manny showed them his SELF REHAB. They could have tweaked what Manny was doing and maybe did ..... still they were AMAZED at Manny's SELF REHAB.

Thank you for admitting you are speculating.


Now, on a more serious note.


I am very satisfied with the poll thread, and what has been said here. You won't convince me, I won't convince you.

Are we ready to be done with this? If you'd like to respond to what I've said above, I'd appreciate it if you first say right at the top of your post, "Hey, we can end this now, but after I get the last word in." That would be ok with me. But as I said before, we are getting nowhere, and that's why I made the thread with the poll...because you and I talking back and forth like women is not going to change anything!

You believe what you believe, I believe what I believe. Time to let it go. This thread has evolved into just what the last one was...just you and I talking. It's hopeless. Let it die!

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Yes, I said that you were speculating. All I see is more speculation here in this post. Though I'm tired of this, I will once again explain by going through each chunk of this *sigh*.



If this is so obvious, why did they want him to return from the Phils and travel to America? That seems very inconvenient. After he decided to ditch this idea, why did they make such a big deal about flying a PT out to the Phils for him? Do you see how your speculation doesn't add up with the actual events? Think clearly, now. If he knew enough...ok, stay there. Do what you have to do. No need for you to return or for us to send anyone.



I don't know if you are intentionally doing this, but you are giving misleading information. He obviously can't begin rehab while he is in the sling, and he was set to be in the sling for at least 4 weeks, so that is not 2 months of doing nothing. The doctor stated that range of motion will be limited for 6 weeks. This is NOT rehab. This is telling him what to do not to stress his shoulder too much, how he can move it, what he should avoid doing, etc. We know when rehab was to begin. The start of rehab was July 4th. What was he doing, as per the below link dated June 30th....keeping himself busy with bible study and coaching his basketball team. Go see for yourself, but it says when serious rehab was to start.

"Manny is coming over to see the doctor and then he will start his serious rehab," Arum said. "He'll stay here for probably about two weeks and then he will go back to the Philippines. One of the rehab guys will go with him to make sure he is doing his rehab program the right way."
http://www.digitaljournal.com/sports...article/437190
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Arum was expecting Pacquiao to return to Los Angeles by July 4 to discuss his rehabilitation program with Dr. Neal ElAttrache of the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopedic Clinic, who performed the surgery, but the "Pacman" cancelled his appointment.

“When you have an operation like that you’ve got to get into rehab. You’ve got to get the doctor to look at it and to guide you as to the kind of rehab that you’ve got to do,” said Arum.
Read more: http://sports.inquirer.net/187271/bo...#ixzz4G1bVxkoL
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Talking about what he should do for early motion is not rehab. If you want to argue that it is non-serious rehab, as my above quotation says he will start serious rehab, by all means go for it. What is made clear is that he was to return in July for serious rehab. He then doesn't go, and later states, "I never did rehab. All I did was swim." I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand. You are in love with him, but you blatantly disregard what he has said to you. Again, and hopefully the last time, self-rehab (of only swimming?) is not necessarily what the doctor would prescribe, and you and I both have found information that says following the doctor's prescribed rehab is the most important thing.


Tweek it??? See, this is what I mean by your speculation. It clearly says they were going to start serious rehab. Arum's quote said he has to find out what kind of rehab to do, and you are saying they were going to TWEEK IT IF REQUIRED. Come on. Do you concede now that this visit was not to tweek anything. They wouldn't call him back to America to tweek something...IF REQUIRED. That's outlandish.



I have no problem with the above quotation. He is going to write things for him and the physical therapist if needed. Ok...did he write something up for Pacquaio? When. Was Pac in the Phils still and unable to get it? He couldn't have written it up for the PT because apparently Pac didn't have one, according to his own quotation. Before he left, were the instructions about the serious rehab? Doesn't seem like it since he was to report back on July 4th. I feel like a broken record.



It's obvious PT was prescribed. Not sure why it's important to add this. He was to return on July 4th to find out THE KIND OF REHAB HE SHOULD DO.



It did? More speculation? What I read clearly states he had to return to find out about serious rehab, and he didn't. He then said he didn't rehab but only swam. Yawwwnnnnnn.




Was it given to him? Was he in the country? HE WASN'T THERE WHEN THE REHABILITATION PROGRAM WAS TO BEGIN!



Never read him say that, but being advised on what to do without the sling is not the same as rehabilitating. I think you know that.



Thank you for admitting you are speculating.


Now, on a more serious note.


I am very satisfied with the poll thread, and what has been said here. You won't convince me, I won't convince you.

Are we ready to be done with this? If you'd like to respond to what I've said above, I'd appreciate it if you first say right at the top of your post, "Hey, we can end this now, but after I get the last word in." That would be ok with me. But as I said before, we are getting nowhere, and that's why I made the thread with the poll...because you and I talking back and forth like women is not going to change anything!

You believe what you believe, I believe what I believe. Time to let it go. This thread has evolved into just what the last one was...just you and I talking. It's hopeless. Let it die!

What? Passive REHAB can start before the removal of the sling. Then after that month you are saying that they wanted Manny to wait it out for another month until he gets back to the USA? That does NOT make any sense. First you say that there is a problem that he did very little during the first 3 months but now you are trying to find proof to validate that its OK to start off as Manny did(according to your version). So then what's your problem?



"PACQUIAO CONTINUES WITH SHOULDER REHAB, FOCUSES ON BIBLE AND SPORTS ACTIVITIES"

Sat, 27 Jun 2015

"A little less than two months after going under knife for his shoulder injury that was aggravated during his losing fight with undefeated American Floyd Mayweather Jr., eight-division world boxing champion Many Pacquiao is fast recovering under the rehabilitation program prescribed by his physician. "





BOOOOM!!!






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What? Passive REHAB can start before the removal of the sling. Then after that month you are saying that they wanted Manny to wait it out for another month until he gets back to the USA? That does NOT make any sense. First you say that there is a problem that he did very little during the first 3 months but now you are trying to find proof to validate that its OK to start off as Manny did(according to your version). So then what's your problem?



"PACQUIAO CONTINUES WITH SHOULDER REHAB, FOCUSES ON BIBLE AND SPORTS ACTIVITIES"

Sat, 27 Jun 2015

"A little less than two months after going under knife for his shoulder injury that was aggravated during his losing fight with undefeated American Floyd Mayweather Jr., eight-division world boxing champion Many Pacquiao is fast recovering under the rehabilitation program prescribed by his physician. "





BOOOOM!!!


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hahahahahaha. You, my friend, are very gullible.

A. He didn't go to rehab. This is already known.

B. Arum: HE HAS TO GO TO REHAB TO FIND OUT WHAT TO DO.

C. Pacquaio: I NEVER DID REHAB. I NEVER SAW A DOCTOR.

BOOM!!!!!

The funny thing is, I've told you this a billion times. YAWWWWNNNNNN!

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And I love how you leave off links purposely when you know you are full of ****. Just like you did with information from that video I had to look up myself, because you knew that in the end of the video it said YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE DOCTORS REHAB.

Now look at your link:

“It’s healing, slowly and surely,” Pacquiao said in the same interview a day after coaching Team Kia to an 88-85 win over Meralco, ending the Carnival’s first season stint in the professionl Philippine Basketbll Association.
“I have aleady removed the sling in my right arm three weeks ago and i can lift it na ng pakonti-konti. “I think mga two mnth pa, fully recovered na at uwde nang mag-ensayo muli, he said with a chuckle”
Pacquiao asserted though that there is no plan yet as to when he will return fighting, saying, “ang focus ko ngayon ay pagalingin ang balikat ko. When it is completely cured, saka na natin pagpasiyahan ang paglaban muli.”


SO THIS WAS WORD OF MOUTH????? LMAO

WELL TAKE THIS, ONCE AND FOR ALL, AS WORD OF MOUTH:

I NEVER DID REHAB. I NEVER SAW A DOCTOR. ALL I DID WAS SWIMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!


BYE BYEEEE!!!!!