Comments Thread For: Povetkin Not Backing Down: We'll Do Everything To Get Wilder!

[ShoulderRoll]

So now Povetkin's B sample came up dirty as well? Any word on how much meldonium was present in it?

If these are residual amounts from when Povetkin was using last year then I'd love for "Boxing Logic" to explain how he managed to pass three tests then suddenly failed on both samples of his last test.

[artofpugilism]

Povetkin was defos top 5 before the use of meldonium became illegal. The question is could he perform to the same standard without it. The fact he has most probably taken it after it was banned suggests he needed it to perform to that level.

The worse thing about all this is wilder looks like hes now guna take another soft voluntary and do his reputation absolutley no favors. He should have taken a better opponent and retained the credability he had gained from agreeing to the povetkin fight, though he had little choice but to take the povetkin fight

[b00g13man]

[RussB23]

These dumbasses are the reason the fight didnt happen in the first place. Nobody wants to do business with their cheating asses.

[Sledgeweather17]

Why isn't he calling out Luis Ortiz? The network divide is rarely bridged, but HBO can't find any opponents for Ortiz, so this is probably one of the times it could be. Yall are asking for Lara-GGG so if that's possible, obviously Wilder-Ortiz is too. And even if it couldn't happen, that didn't stop GGG from calling out Jacobs and Quillin. It's about intent. As fans we have to ask ourselves, does this guy really want to fight the best? Is he trying to make the biggest fights? GGG isn't in big fights either in his division but at least he tries to fight all those guys. It's not his fault even the big middleweights like Danny Jacobs and Peter Quillin keep ducking him. But Wilder is the opposite. It feels like he's the one who doesn't want the best fights. It doesn't feel like he's chasing the other guys but they duck him.

The Povetkin situation is just the latest in a pattern with Wilder. For fans wanting to defend Wilder, they will use the micro dose of meldonium as the excuse and ignore everything else, but I look at the whole picture and I saw all the same red flags in how he delayed that fight as long as possible and then tried to cancel it immediately before the WBC even investigated whether the amount was over the limit and whether the B side tested positive. Like I said it's just a clear pattern of not wanting to fight the best fights unless he's mandated to.

It can be best said like this. Wilder seems to wait as long as possible to fight the best guys, and then when there's a way out, he was the quickest I've ever seen to cancel. He didn't even wait to see if there was any hope of salvaging the fight, to see any of the details of what happened. They weren't reacting to the WBC, they were trying to influence and lead the WBC into canceling it. When the WBC was saying "delayed," they were saying "no, please cancel!" Just a ton of red flags. I expected him to knock out Povetkin anyway because of the height and speed advantage, but there's no way I can root for Wilder until he starts chasing the best fighters in his division. Like why did he wait for Povetkin to become his mandatory, and then delay it even more, in the first place? GGG is so on the lookout for credible, name opponents in his division willing to fight him, if he had someone like Povetkin in his division who wanted to fight him, GGG would have called to make that fight right away whether he was mandatory or not. That's the difference between being the guy who wants the big fights, and being the guy who wants to fight cab drivers, and every once in awhile gets forced into big fights if they want to keep their belt. I prefer to root for the first type of guy.

It doesn't feel like the other guys are ducking him even though Povetkin ducked the mandatory twice already, first by intentionally scheduling a 'tune up' for a date that is a whole month after the mandated negotiation date, and then by asking for a five month extention. (lets not mention him testing positive just before the fight)

It doesn't seem like the other guys are ducking him even though Glazkov pulled out of negotiations with Wilder so that he can fight for a vacant title.

Yeah, it sure doesn't feel like these guys ducked him at all.

[Sledgeweather17]

Wouldn't HAVE came back. Learn some actual proper grammar, and learn that just because you don't like the inconvenient nanograms info, doesn't make it something you can ignore. You won't ignore other elements of the story. Don't ignore that one either.

How hypocritcal of you sir. Are we supposed to pretend that you yourself didn't ignore the three drug free samples before the positive simply because...oh yeah, because it totally disproves your 'he's within the legal limit nonsense?'

That limit was set ONLY for guys who tested positve due to trace elements from last year's usage, but it aint no trace element from last year if you already tested negative three times prior, with BLOOD tests, which are known to be more thorough than the urine sample Povetkin got busted on.

If Povetkin qualified for that exemption, no one would have bat an eyelash at that 70 nanograms. He doesn't qualify for that exemption due to his three clean tests however.

I know you're smart enough to know this, however, I forgive you because I have come to understand that hate shrinks the brain. And you sir are an obvious hater of epic proportions. It's sad really how much you torture yourself and the lengths to which you go to lie and manipulate ignorant posters just to make yourself feel better.

[Fetta]

If that is Steve Kim, he's has done a hell of a job of proving to everyone why he's literally one of the worse writers in boxing right now. Utterly embarassing.

I would rate some posters on NSB at having a higher boxing IQ than Steve Kim. Hes a joke

[PunchyPotorff]

How hypocritcal of you sir. Are we supposed to pretend that you yourself didn't ignore the three drug free samples before the positive simply because...oh yeah, because it totally disproves your 'he's within the legal limit nonsense?'

That limit was set ONLY for guys who tested positve due to trace elements from last year's usage, but it aint no trace element from last year if you already tested negative three times prior, with BLOOD tests, which are known to be more thorough than the urine sample Povetkin got busted on.

If Povetkin qualified for that exemption, no one would have bat an eyelash at that 70 nanograms. He doesn't qualify for that exemption due to his three clean tests however.

I know you're smart enough to know this, however, I forgive you because I have come to understand that hate shrinks the brain. And you sir are an obvious hater of epic proportions. It's sad really how much you torture yourself and the lengths to which you go to lie and manipulate ignorant posters just to make yourself feel better.

Sorry if I offended, it's just that here we are with the Mexican standoff so to speak... yet really neither of us knows any more than what's been leaked. My contention is that the amount is so minuscule that in reality it wasn't effecting the fighter anyway. And then of course we have that inconvenient detail that the manufacturer doesn't even know how long the med stays in the system. As for your argument the 3 samples this and that, while I can't remember the exact terminology right now... these tests are not always accurate, no matter how much credence anyone gives them. I'm saying this is a grey area. If you want to look at everything in black and white, go for it. Like I said, opinions here and nothing more. Although there are some who post who do sound like they know some details about the subject... bottom line is we'll all really just have to wait for the official report.

[PunchyPotorff]

[QUOTE=Cinci Champ;16744320]

why would they want to fight a guy who tested positive for a ped that is used for training? do u honestly believe hes just innocent and just so happened that it reappeared in his system all this time later?

I view that minuscule amount in his system as way less important than Wilder jumping at the next can in his Line O' Cans Opponents. And some of you Wilder fans sure are making a big deal of not much if you ask me. Povetkin is probably clean as a whistle right now, and will remain clean. IOW, problem solved. So, NOW can we get the fight? If Povetkin is guaranteed clean, and will be tested to prove just that, what would be the problem then? Any more delays from you Wilder fans or Wilder himself just puts you in the crosshairs. As Michael Buffer says... Let's get this party started for crying out loud.

[joseph5620]

Sorry if I offended, it's just that here we are with the Mexican standoff so to speak... yet really neither of us knows any more than what's been leaked. My contention is that the amount is so minuscule that in reality it wasn't effecting the fighter anyway. And then of course we have that inconvenient detail that the manufacturer doesn't even know how long the med stays in the system. As for your argument the 3 samples this and that, while I can't remember the exact terminology right now... these tests are not always accurate, no matter how much credence anyone gives them. I'm saying this is a grey area. If you want to look at everything in black and white, go for it. Like I said, opinions here and nothing more. Although there are some who post who do sound like they know some details about the subject... bottom line is we'll all really just have to wait for the official report.

This ignorant POS is still trying to sell this BS