Comments Thread For: Povetkin Not Backing Down: We'll Do Everything To Get Wilder!

[Ray*]

Who am I favoring? This is what I'm talking about, you think we're the ones playing favorites but it's you. Everything is relative. When you walk upside down on the ceiling, it looks like people standing on the floor are upside down, but really it's you. I'm trying to explain that is what is happening with many boxing fans, perhaps yourself. Just because you continue to walk upside down on the ceiling so you continue to think it's us who are upside down doesn't change the facts. Until you understand that it's possible to be totally upside down and think it's someone else when it's you, until you actually ask yourself the question of whether it's you and self reflect, then you won't ever know.

Listen steve kim, You need to re-educate yourself in terms of boxing, just because you are a known figure in boxing doesnt mean you know shit. You DO play favourites, you absolutely do! I applaud you for coming on a boxing forum and engaging posters but you absolutely play favourites.

Until people like yourself, Fat dan, Doug actually stop that act and go in without looking for priviligeies from certain boxing figures then that would be the beginning of a better place for boxing.

First you posted a picture thinking memo was working with Bute, then when it came out that he was actually working with Badou Jack what did you do to correct you earlier assumption? Nothing!!! Again look at yourself in the mirror first.

[Cinci Champ]

A bit lengthy, so don't expect the Floydie fans to read it all, but agreed on his obvious juicing being ignored, yet trace elements for Povetkin gets the 3rd degree. Just a disguised attempt to protect their hero. Bottom line: Povetkin/Wilder needs to happen. Get the investigation over, realizing it was minute traces of an element no one yet knows how long it will stay in the body, realize it's a grey area, get em in the ring and let's do this thing. With all the anti-Povetkin griping going on, I'm certain they're just as relieved as Wilder the fight was stopped. Enough of that craziness, get the damn fight going already.

it doesnt matter if its trace amounts the ped is used for training

[Cinci Champ]

[QUOTE=Boxing Logic;16744092]

Except it's not true.

espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/15551134/wbc-postpones-deontay-wilder-alexander-povetkin-fight-failed-drug-test

The WBC said it postponed the fight. It was Wilder's camp that told the media no it's canceled, not postponed.

Do you not remember? It was just a week ago.



The WBC left the door open, pending investigation, for the fight to still happen, but Wilder's team was having none of that and wanted to shut it down right away. They were almost gleeful about Povetkin's test and calling the fight off. You could just tell, I can't believe I'm the only one who noticed that.

why would they want to fight a guy who tested positive for a ped that is used for training? do u honestly believe hes just innocent and just so happened that it reappeared in his system all this time later?

[Cinci Champ]

It doesn't make me happy. Boxing is a business, and in any business, the dumber the consumer, the more they get taken advantage of by the business. Boxing as a business knows it has this huge base of ducker apologists who view boxing through a racial lens and will defend anything their boxers do, so boxing leverages this fact to feed all the fans crap.

Basically boxing knows that no matter how ****ty a product they give fans, a percentage of boxing fans will attribute any criticism to racism, and become even more passionate in watching the boxers who duck and defending them. To these fans, the fact that these boxers duck and never fight in entertaining fights won't even matter or register because their minds will be so preoccupied with defending them from what they've been tricked into believing is racism, and this is what keeps them watching these boxers who don't provide good fights and buying their tickets, and that is what allows boxing to keep giving fans nothing but awful fights but still make a profit off it.

Smart consumers don't repeatedly pay for bad products and defend the people responsible for providing bad products. One of the reasons I wanted to post here actually was to encourage fans to demand more of boxing. I would be happier of all boxing fans of all races woke up to how boxing works and started defending the fighters who fight the best, instead of defending the fighters who duck the best. If fans all came together and did that, that's what would help fix boxing. But to certain boxing fans, there is one thing more important than good fights and fighting the best, and as long as that's true and they support those fighters no matter how bad the product they offer is, boxing will continue to suffer.

The problem is I think a lot of you are so biased you don't even register that it's a bad product from a neutral perspective because you're not neutral, you have a rooting interest based on skin color, so even if the fight is horrible, as long as you have a fighter of your own skin color to root for, you feel suspense and excitement watching.

I know what that's like from the Rigondeaux-Donaire fight. I was anti Donaire at that time because I felt he ducked Rigondeaux and Mares for four fights in a row, and I really wanted Rigondeaux to win to hopefully help make better fights in the future (lol!). So while a lot of people thought Rigondeaux-Donaire was boring, I was entertained the whole fight because I had a rooting interest beyond the action.

I imagine that's what it's like for this group of racial boxing fans any time there's a black fighter fighting. There's always this built in rooting interest to either beat fighters of other races, or beat an inferior fighter of the same race so he can keep climbing the ladder to being a successful black boxer, which this group of racial boxing fans gets all their boxing enjoyment out of.

I haven't experienced this for myself but judging from the comments and the patterns of who this group of black boxing fans root for, that's my best guess as to how it works. They're so obsessed with the racial side of things, the boxing doesn't even matter. The boxing is just an after thought, a mere vehicle for these fans to live out fantasies of racial competition through. So while neutral fans are frustrated when Peter Quillin ducks GGG because that robs fans of a good fight, these fans are actually happy because they don't want a white fighter to beat a black fighter, they would rather just break even on that match by never having it happen so that the Peter Quillin card in their racial deck can be played later against someone else that he can beat.

That's my guess how it works, anyway. Boxing promoters have realized it works this way and this has given them a way to make money without having to put their fighters in tough fights. It's like if a stock broker could find a way to make money investing without ever having to risk any of their investments. If people are ****** enough to pay for crap because they have an emotional complex surrounding that crap, then a good businessman keeps offering that crap while holding onto their valuable assets until a later date, and that's what boxing has turned into.

So in a way true boxing fans can really blame these racial boxing fans for the fall of boxing.

i get it but at the same time i would take you far far far more serious if you didnt spend your entire time as a boxing writing bashing pbc while u protect other promoters for the same kind of things. sorry if it makes people feel you are under the pay roll of hbo or top rank or maybe a magazine who is owned by one for example in some way. also honestly you seem to bring race into your logic far more then anyone else. if were going by race you seem to always side against a black fighter pretty much 100% of the time.

[juggernaut666]

Who am I favoring? This is what I'm talking about, you think we're the ones playing favorites but it's you. Everything is relative. When you walk upside down on the ceiling, it looks like people standing on the floor are upside down, but really it's you. I'm trying to explain that is what is happening with many boxing fans, perhaps yourself. Just because you continue to walk upside down on the ceiling so you continue to think it's us who are upside down doesn't change the facts. Until you understand that it's possible to be totally upside down and think it's someone else when it's you, until you actually ask yourself the question of whether it's you and self reflect, then you won't ever know.

As you can see with the replies ...ants my friend ...ANTS!

[MrRolltide91]

Smh........

[Ray Ray]

Why cant this idiot just accept he fucked up and just move on...Povetkin only has himself to blame for this issue.

Nobody forced him to use PED, nobody...Stop acting like people should show you some sympathy when you brought this on yourself.

[vitali1999]

He'll have to wait until after he beats that bum Areola. Just like he had to wait till he beat that bum Spilka. There's always a bum involved isn't there.

[Nomadic]

He backed down the minute he pushed that plunger down.

[PittyPat]

Povetkin plans to fight, even legally, to keep his shot at Wilder in place.

The unintentional(?) irony of that part made me laff. Yeah, about that – how about fighting legally without PEDs, ya cunt.