Comments Thread For: Sugar Ray Leonard: I Told Mayweather I Would Have Beat Him

[Spoon23]

Because Carlos Baldomir didn't have the best fighting years of his life until he was in his mid 30's. He must've been in his prime lol

lol you really are all over the place.

you are just helping my argument even more. That's what I meant Prime is when after all was said and done. The athlete prime is when he did his greatest damage in his career shall be his best years or can be said his prime years.

prime is not always the same for everyone, but every athlete has his prime years, even tyson.

[doom_specialist]

lol you really are all over the place.

you are just helping my argument even more. That's what I meant Prime is when after all was said and done. The athlete prime is when he did his greatest damage in his career shall be his best years or can be said his prime years.

prime is not always the same for everyone, but every athlete has his prime years, even tyson.

Ah, you're finally getting it.

Baldomir had his greatest success as a boxer starting 34, and beat his greatest competition starting at 35, but no one is going to call that his "favored prime years," even though "when after all was said and done" that would be his best time period on paper. That's just dumb. He was a motivated old man that scored some good wins, and nothing else.

Tyson showed decline after the Douglas loss, but that was because of his mentality, not physicality. He destroyed everyone he came across, and only lost fights where he stepped up in competition and couldn't cope mentally. If him biting Holyfield's ear off didn't show you that he couldn't hang mentally, then I don't know what will. Before that though, he tore through everyone. He had 3 decision wins over a 10 year period. That definitely qualifies as "best years," even if they weren't his super-ultra-all-the-way-at-the-top-most-dominant years.

You keep trying to tell me what real fight fans know and what they would say, after telling me Tyson was past it at 23, and you STILL can't seem to discern what "prime" means. Later dude.

[b00g13man]

I'd have given up an arm and a leg to see have seen this

Sugar Ray fighting Hagler after a 3 year layoff would be like Floyd fighting Golovkin in the next year or two. without a tune up.

Would be cool if that happened!

Except it's nothing like that.

[Spoon23]

Ah, you're finally getting it.

Baldomir had his greatest success as a boxer starting 34, and beat his greatest competition starting at 35, but no one is going to call that his "favored prime years," even though "when after all was said and done" that would be his best time period on paper. That's just dumb. He was a motivated old man that scored some good wins, and nothing else.

Tyson showed decline after the Douglas loss, but that was because of his mentality, not physicality. He destroyed everyone he came across, and only lost fights where he stepped up in competition and couldn't cope mentally. If him biting Holyfield's ear off didn't show you that he couldn't hang mentally, then I don't know what will. Before that though, he tore through everyone. He had 3 decision wins over a 10 year period. That definitely qualifies as "best years," even if they weren't his super-ultra-all-the-way-at-the-top-most-dominant years.

You keep trying to tell me what real fight fans know and what they would say, after telling me Tyson was past it at 23, and STILL can't seem to discern what "prime" means. Later dude.

lol I'm getting it? This was part of my argument from the start lol. You suddenly slipping this thought process to be yours as well at the very end lol

Man up bud, you were all over the place. lick your wounds and fight another day. This wasnt your argument. You changed it when you realized I was right.

Anyway, got to go. Enjoy your hero Floyd.

Cheers!

[HandsofIron]

Yes I agree, SRL spanks Mayweather.

[doom_specialist]

lol I'm getting it? This was part of my argument from the start lol. You suddenly slipping this thought process to be yours as well at the very end lol

Man up bud, you were all over the place. lick your wounds and fight another day. This wasnt your argument. You changed it when you realized I was right.

Anyway, got to go. Enjoy your hero Floyd.

Cheers!

lol, a spin-doctor and an outright liar, all for the sake of hating a man that you'll never even know. You even totally ignored how I killed your argument in the middle of my post, and said that I took your thought process lol.

I almost feel sorry for you. You'll get the help you need one day though

[muslimer12]

I already said that Tyson had outside issues, but to say that he was not physically prime is just reaching and/or being ****** for the sake of trolling. Boxing is a thinking man's game, and he lost because he was a mental midget. Douglas came to win, and he didn't. It's the nature of the sport. Floyd Mayweather had a torn rotator cuff the night he looked bad against Castillo, but guess who didn't make excuses? That's all I'm saying.

"Prime" refers to the physical prime of your life. When you have the potential (because most people do waste their primes) to be at your fastest/strongest/etc. Ali indeed lost to Frazier after a long layoff (once), but by no means was he not physically prime. Their 2 subsequent fights show you that. If you take a look at Tyson vs Spinks, and then Tyson vs Douglas, you'll see that Tyson was definitely still prime physically. Saying any fighter is out of their prime at 23 is just dumb. I don't know any other way to put it. Mayweather at 38 was ultra focused, but would you be dumb enough to say he was in his prime?

TL;DR "focused" and "prime" are 2 different things, and semantics arguments are ******. Keep in mind that none of those ******/dumb/******ed remarks are towards you. Just making my point

You are absolutely wrong. Tyson in 86 and tyson in 90 do not look the same at all. Focus and prime are different but linked.When you are less focused you train less and therefore cant perform physically as well as you use to. There are many things that resulted in the douglas win over tyson. Even the fights before douglas where tyson won, Tyson didnt look the same. Also how could you even say Ali was in his physical prime verse Frazier? That is just wrong lol he was not the same fighter when he fought liston. Have you seen the fights?

Its like the most simple thing to explain. I think we are just arguing over definitions. The point is less training=declining physical performance. No matter the age.

[doom_specialist]

You are absolutely wrong. Tyson in 86 and tyson in 90 do not look the same at all. Focus and prime are different but linked.When you are less focused you train less and therefore cant perform physically as well as you use to. There are many things that resulted in the douglas win over tyson. Even the fights before douglas where tyson won, Tyson didnt look the same. Also how could you even say Ali was in his physical prime verse Frazier? That is just wrong lol he was not the same fighter when he fought liston. Have you seen the fights?

Its like the most simple thing to explain. I think we are just arguing over definitions. The point is less training=declining physical performance. No matter the age.

I think you're right about the whole semantics thing. I'm arguing peak physical potential and you're arguing Tyson's overall performance. I noted his decline, but I still feel that he was prime physically. Nothing more, nothing less. Just his physical potential. That's what it means to be prime. You don't experience physical decline at 23, unless you've had it literally beaten out of you, or you're a gymnast or something. I attribute Tyson's troubles to his mentality more than anything else, not a lack of physical ability. If the Tyson from 1990 thought like the Tyson in 1988, then he would have washed Douglas, but that's not due to a lack of physical ability. That's all I've ever been arguing, which is why I keep saying "physical prime."

And yes, I've seen all 3 Ali-Frazier fights, but I'll reserve my opinion, because it doesn't have much to do with my original point.

[boliodogs]

I think a great boxer picking himself to beat another great boxer is absolutely, totally meaningless. Of course Leonard is going to say he would beat Mayweather. Hearns, Duran and Whitaker all said they would beat Mayweather and Oscar said he did beat him but got robbed. Ask Mayweather and he will tell you that he would beat Leonard and any other great welterweight of the past. Almost every good boxer thinks he was the best of all time and the fighters of his era were better than the fighters of any other era. Leonard has himself winning a fight with any fighter his weight whoever lived. So What?

[Spoon23]

"At your best" does not mean in your prime. Those aren't interchangeable terms. I take things literally because using words like "prime" and "focused" when referring to athletes actually means something.

Mike Tyson was physically prime until at least 1996, and I'd say his "best years" span from '88 to '96. Before Holyfield, and barring the Douglas hiccup, he effortlessly destroyed everyone else. He was mentally finished after Holyfield took him apart.

lol I'm getting it? This was part of my argument from the start lol. You suddenly slipping this thought process to be yours as well at the very end lol

Man up bud, you were all over the place. lick your wounds and fight another day. This wasnt your argument. You changed it when you realized I was right.

Anyway, got to go. Enjoy your hero Floyd.

Cheers!

You are absolutely wrong. Tyson in 86 and tyson in 90 do not look the same at all. Focus and prime are different but linked.When you are less focused you train less and therefore cant perform physically as well as you use to. There are many things that resulted in the douglas win over tyson. Even the fights before douglas where tyson won, Tyson didnt look the same. Also how could you even say Ali was in his physical prime verse Frazier? That is just wrong lol he was not the same fighter when he fought liston. Have you seen the fights?

Its like the most simple thing to explain. I think we are just arguing over definitions. The point is less training=declining physical performance. No matter the age.

Good points! Same as what I've been saying about Tyson ******er12. Tyson's prime is when he went on a tear. The funny thing is doom specialist thinks agreeing with us in the end means he was on the same page with us from the start lol but we all know it wasn't the case.

I just saw him fold in his last reply to you. Ace!

Cheers!

# Doom specialist aka flip flopper spin doctor hehe