Why Do We Continue to Recognize the Lineal Championship When....

[therealpugilist]

Even if Canelo wasn't lineal (which he is) Golovkin still wouldn't be because he hasn't beaten a top 3 fighter.

exactly....1 and 2 or 1 and 3 can fight to be champion

its pretty simple....all GGG has to do is beat the highest ranked contender once Canelo says he is moving down. Sadly Canelo will remain lineal until he loses or moves down.

i dont like it but its facts. Just like I knew jones could beat DM( dm was still lineal even though jones was better and beat better comp) but you cant make something be what its not because you dont like it

[BennyST]

I doubt Mayweather would have contd being p4p no. 1 with wins over the likes of Guerrero and Ortiz while Pacquiao was beating Cotto, Bradley, Marquez and Marg.

Then again, with the relationship he had with GBP at the time, he probably would be lol

Really? You can't do better than that?

You listed two weaker wins across only about a year for Floyd, while you mention twice as many for Pac and use his very best wins across nearly six years! For instance, you very conveniently forget to mention that in between the Guerrero and Ortiz wins, Floyd also happened to beat the top guy at 154 in Cotto who was on a better win streak against Floyd than he was leading up to the Pacquiao fight, which of course you list as among the best wins for Pac.

Actually, let's check what you said out properly, because overall it's pretty daft.

First of all, you say Pac beat Cotto, Bradley, Marquez and Margarito while saying Floyd only beat Guerrero and Ortiz forgetting to mention that Floyd also beat Cotto and Marquez too. You forget to mention that in that time, Pacquiao got brutally KTFO by Marquez as well and 'lost' to Bradley. Getting knocked out cold doesn't do wonders for your rankings, P4P, divisional, any rankings really. So you list two of Pac's best wins, but forget to mention that he also lost to those two guys as well.

Second, you use a massive time period for Pac's wins, starting when he first won a title at 147 and not stopping basically until he lost to Floyd. You list a tiny time period for Floyd, using two of his weakest wins in that period.

Let's flip the script using your reasoning. "I doubt Pac would have continued being a top P4P rated fighter with wins over Rios and Algieri, two fighters who had never even fought in Pac's division before, whilst also losing to Marquez, Bradley and Floyd. In the meantime Floyd beat number one rated fighters Manny Pacquiao, Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto, Canelo Alvarez, and other champions like Hatton, Marquez, and Maidana.

Then again, with HBO and Top Rank's relationship he probably would have lol"

[HeroBando]

Even if Canelo wasn't lineal (which he is) Golovkin still wouldn't be because he hasn't beaten a top 3 fighter.

OK so make it vacant. Doesn't matter, obviously Ggg is the man at MW, not some chump that never fought above 155 and surrendered his belt to #1 contender

[therealpugilist]

OK so make it vacant. Doesn't matter, obviously Ggg is the man at MW, not some chump that never fought above 155 and surrendered his belt to #1 contender

GGG will never be the lineal champions fighting all those cans. he has to beat a top 2 contender to start the lineage. he already has 3 of the belts even though two were gift wrapped.

WHo necks

[HeroBando]

.....like I said...no one brought this silly topic up until GGG hit the scene.

I dont like Canelo dropped the belt....its just that a belt


The man who beat the man has been a staple in boxing for hundreds of years.

its not gonna change because a fighter has a few fans that are disappointed that he isnt the lineal champion yet


Roy Jones was never lineal but had all the belts, just like GGG. Doesnt change my boy roy wasnt the man who beat the man. Regardless, what roy did do was clean out the division with or without DM and beat guys he never fought like Tarver, Reggie Johnson and actually has a better resume at 175 than DM. GGG can do the same or just keep collecting belts until Canelo officially moves down.

Most think he is the best anyway so once canelo moves down, all GGG has to do is beat the next highest contender and he is the lineal champion. He already has 3/4 major belts

championships are won in the ring, not in board rooms.

the man who beat the man will always matter in boxing and the alphabet bs is too confusing. they strip guys as they please for whatever reason they make up. the WBA has two belts for crying out loud.

Spare me your crying. Never before did we have a lineal champ this feeble. Lineal champs need to meet some expectations, and this guy failed badly

1. You can't be too small for the weight, require CWs
2. You can't duck the consensus #1 contender.

[therealpugilist]

Really? You can't do better than that?

You listed two weaker wins across only about a year for Floyd, while you mention twice as many for Pac and use his very best wins across nearly six years! For instance, you very conveniently forget to mention that in between the Guerrero and Ortiz wins, Floyd also happened to beat the top guy at 154 in Cotto who was on a better win streak against Floyd than he was leading up to the Pacquiao fight, which of course you list as among the best wins for Pac.

Actually, let's check what you said out properly, because overall it's pretty daft.

First of all, you say Pac beat Cotto, Bradley, Marquez and Margarito while saying Floyd only beat Guerrero and Ortiz forgetting to mention that Floyd also beat Cotto and Marquez too. You forget to mention that in that time, Pacquiao got brutally KTFO by Marquez as well and 'lost' to Bradley. Getting knocked out cold doesn't do wonders for your rankings, P4P, divisional, any rankings really. So you list two of Pac's best wins, but forget to mention that he also lost to those two guys as well.

Second, you use a massive time period for Pac's wins, starting when he first won a title at 147 and not stopping basically until he lost to Floyd. You list a tiny time period for Floyd, using two of his weakest wins in that period.

Let's flip the script using your reasoning. "I doubt Pac would have continued being a top P4P rated fighter with wins over Rios and Algieri, two fighters who had never even fought in Pac's division before, whilst also losing to Marquez, Bradley and Floyd. In the meantime Floyd beat number one rated fighters Manny Pacquiao, Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto, Canelo Alvarez, and other champions like Hatton, Marquez, and Maidana.

Then again, with HBO and Top Rank's relationship he probably would have lol"

Manny spent majority of his time fighting guys who did nothing at 147 before he fought them...bradley in the first fight, Marquez, Algieri, Rios, and Cotto was the only legit one. Mosley was old as hell and was 1-1-1 in his last 3 fights and hadnt won in over 2 years


his welterweight "reign" was smoke and mirrors. catchweights, guys moving up, and after tough losses or fights

[HeroBando]

GGG will never be the lineal champions fighting all those cans. he has to beat a top 2 contender to start the lineage. he already has 3 of the belts even though two were gift wrapped.

WHo necks

Then lineal is meaningless if the most dominant champ in the sport will never attain that, but boxings biggest joke has

[techliam]

exactly....1 and 2 or 1 and 3 can fight to be champion

its pretty simple....all GGG has to do is beat the highest ranked contender once Canelo says he is moving down. Sadly Canelo will remain lineal until he loses or moves down.

i dont like it but its facts. Just like I knew jones could beat DM( dm was still lineal even though jones was better and beat better comp) but you cant make something be what its not because you dont like it

1 vs 3 never establishes a 'lineage'

The last real 1 vs 2 was Golovkin vs Murray. But the system is so backwards that apparently a one-legged Martinez or 155 Cotto were still 'the man' at middleweight. 'the man' really has no significance in this case

[therealpugilist]

Spare me your crying. Never before did we have a lineal champ this feeble. Lineal champs need to meet some expectations, and this guy failed badly

1. You can't be too small for the weight, require CWs
2. You can't duck the consensus #1 contender.

bruh....go grab some baby wipes. I just hit you with facts. all these CAN MAN FANS mad.....If Canelo moves down GGG can be lineal champ beating the next top contender.


he was already handed 2 belts....the lineal title is a title that you actually have to fight for...deal with it

[HeroBando]

Manny spent majority of his time fighting guys who did nothing at 147 before he fought them...bradley in the first fight, Marquez, Algieri, Rios, and Cotto was the only legit one. Mosley was old as hell and was 1-1-1 in his last 3 fights and hadnt won in over 2 years


his welterweight "reign" was smoke and mirrors. catchweights, guys moving up, and after tough losses or fights

When PAC moved up to welter, the other guys ranked top 5 were Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Clottey. He destroyed the back to back, all in 18 months