Why Do We Continue to Recognize the Lineal Championship When....

[therealpugilist]

1 vs 3 never establishes a 'lineage'

The last real 1 vs 2 was Golovkin vs Murray. But the system is so backwards that apparently a one-legged Martinez or 155 Cotto were still 'the man' at middleweight. 'the man' really has no significance in this case

my bad im think about ring magazine....but yea 1 &2

Martinez beat Pavlik....lineage goes all the way back to hopkins


to be lineal champion you have to actually beat the champ or establish lineage ...not sit back and let the belt be handed to you.

[HeroBando]

bruh....go grab some baby wipes. I just hit you with facts. all these CAN MAN FANS mad.....If Canelo moves down GGG can be lineal champ beating the next top contender.


he was already handed 2 belts....the lineal title is a title that you actually have to fight for...deal with it

Canelo did move down. By his admission he's a Sww, not a Mw. Too small, belt vacated.

[techliam]

^^^^^^hundreds of years having lineal champions and all of a sudden they dont matter because GGG doesnt have one.

thank you for pointing this out and its mostly his fan boys who say stuff like this


the man who beat the man is the champion...its a pretty simple concept.

Roy Jones was my favorite fighter all time but I was never so biased that I didnt get Dariusz Michalcewski his credit for being the lineal champion.



i never heard it be minimized until these GGG fan boys started spewing that crap.

I've criticised lineages for a long time on this forum. Consensus is king, it always has been and always will be. Literally no-one cares about your WBC title, or your lineal title or whatever, people only care about who the best is. Those titles only matter when the best holds them.

But really, how hilarious is it, that a poster like you is crying out about bias? You are literally flip side of the coin of the posters you refer to here. Get a grip

[HeroBando]

my bad im think about ring magazine....but yea 1 &2

Martinez beat Pavlik....lineage goes all the way back to hopkins


to be lineal champion you have to actually beat the champ or establish lineage ...not sit back and let the belt be handed to you.

Gtfo loser. Ggg didn't sit back, he even made himself mando to lineal champ who could no longer drag it out and forfeited in shame

[techliam]

my bad im think about ring magazine....but yea 1 &2

Martinez beat Pavlik....lineage goes all the way back to hopkins


to be lineal champion you have to actually beat the champ or establish lineage ...not sit back and let the belt be handed to you.

beat the 'champ', oh you mean the 'lineal champion'... aka 'the man', which we already know means nothing. It just means you beat the previous 'man', who could have one leg, half a brain, or whatever. To me, 'the man' is the man to beat, the premier fighter in the division. Its a little bit different in the lineal system..

Golovkin is the real man at middleweight, he's the universal no.1. How can anyone else be 'the man'? He's not just because of some bizarre rules set about in a mostly unrecognised 'lineage' system. Lineages need some sort of legitimacy, and without Golovkin the middleweight lineage currently has none. We can't just assume they mean something just because 'lineal' doe, as if Canelo has a claim to Hopkins legacy.

[therealpugilist]

I've criticised lineages for a long time on this forum. Consensus is king, it always has been and always will be. Literally no-one cares about your WBC title, or your lineal title or whatever, people only care about who the best is. Those titles only matter when the best holds them.

But really, how hilarious is it, that a poster like you is crying out about bias? You are literally flip side of the coin of the posters you refer to here. Get a grip

how can you be considered the best win you havent beaten the top contenders?

the eye test isnt enough...you actually have to beat the top contenders to be considered the best.....thats why no one questions Chocolatito opposition...he fights top ten contenders regularly.

Lemieux was rated 5 or 6...that leaves several guys over him that GGG hasnt fought

the only good fighter he has faced the last 2 years is David Lemieux

Martin Murray was considered top ten at the weight but he literally lost to every world rated fighter he fought


Middleweight is wide open. its guys with better best wins than GGG, and also top middleweights he hasnt fought.


To be the best in proven in the ring.

[therealpugilist]

beat the 'champ', oh you mean the 'lineal champion'... aka 'the man', which we already know means nothing. It just means you beat the previous 'man', who could have one leg, half a brain, or whatever. To me, 'the man' is the man to beat, the premier fighter in the division. Its a little bit different in the lineal system..

Golovkin is the real man at middleweight, he's the universal no.1. How can anyone else be 'the man'? He's not just because of some bizarre rules set about in a mostly unrecognised 'lineage' system. Lineages need some sort of legitimacy, and without Golovkin the middleweight lineage currently has none. We can't just assume they mean something just because 'lineal' doe, as if Canelo has a claim to Hopkins legacy.

he'll be the champion when he earns it in the ring...thats one thing in boxing that is consistent.

you dont get credit for fights that dont get made

you dont assume in boxing.....we have to see the fights. if fights were won by assuming then upsets wouldnt exist

[Robbie Barrett]

When PAC moved up to welter, the other guys ranked top 5 were Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Clottey. He destroyed the back to back, all in 18 months

Cotto got destroyed by Margarito a few fights before.
Mosley lost to Mayweather and drew against Mora just before.
Clottey lost to Cotto just before.
Margarito got destroyed by Mosley and was coming off a suspension.

Pacquiao likes fighting guys coming off losses.

[therealpugilist]

Cotto got destroyed by Margarito a few fights before.
Mosley lost to Mayweather and drew against Mora just before.
Clottey lost to Cotto just before.
Margarito got destroyed by Mosley and was coming off a suspension.

Pacquiao likes fighting guys coming off losses.

his fans forget its not just who you beat but when....and arum made sure to put him in with guys over 140 when they were properly softened up by tko losses and tough fights or were moving up in weight......promotional genius...i never believed the hype of manny past 140

[Robbie Barrett]

his fans forget its not just who you beat but when....and arum made sure to put him in with guys over 140 when they were properly softened up by tko losses and tough fights or were moving up in weight......promotional genius...i never believed the hype of manny past 140

It's not just at WW either.

Morales 1 coming off a loss to Barrera
Morales 2 coming off a loss to Raheem
Barrera 2 coming off a loss to Marquez

The guy targets people coming off of losses.