Why Do We Continue to Recognize the Lineal Championship When....

[Robbie Barrett]

THIS. So much this. If these 10k post GGG haters actually watched boxing they'd see that Murray was EASILY top 2 at that stage. But no, cripple Martinez and Cotto were lmao. GGG only beat bums.

Nobody had Murray in the top 2 when he fought Golovkin. NOBODY

[IronDanHamza]

I'm lost. i dont understand how you can vacate and still be lineal. The one who he beat wanted to drop the belt also. It's like me giving you guys my Xbox one and I'm keeping the games. I'm a little lost.

Because he vacated the WBC belt.

The WBC belt isn't the Lineage, it's just a belt.

He still holds the Lineage, sadly.

[soul_survivor]

Ortiz had an extensive amateur background coming from Cuba and is more skilled than all of the heavyweights

This is the pro game and what ha he done better than beating Chisora and Wlad? I guarantee you do not have an answer for that.

[techliam]

LMFAO, who exactly did Lil G beat @ MW again? His two best wins have been against a pillow fists Martin Murray and no defense brawler in Lemieux. If those two W entitles Lil G to be named lineal champ at MW then you're right the system is broke. Whether you like it or not Canelo is the Middleweight Lineal Champ and when Canelo walks out to the ring in his next fight Michael Buffer will introduce him as such.

Um ok

Canelo is the lineal champion, thats a fact. I'm saying its illegitimate, and irrelevant.

Golovkin is the universally recognised no.1 middleweight, 'whether you like it or not'.

I know whats more important when it comes to legacy. If you think a broken, unrecognised system is more important than being the best, then again, its on you

[BennyST]

When PAC moved up to welter, the other guys ranked top 5 were Mosley, Cotto, Margarito and Clottey. He destroyed the back to back, all in 18 months

Cotto and Clottey. The other two, utterly laughable to suggest they were top five fighters anymore. All four were coming off recent losses, with two having suffered horrific KO losses just before fighting Pac, while Clottey in the meantime still couldnt manage to get past a good fighter without throwing the fight away and Mosley hadn't even won a fight in years...literally years.

...and these are your murderers row of top ranked fighters that Pac crushed for P4P supremacy.

This is one of the problems with rankings today. They are so arbitrary and ruled by silly little backroom politics for promotion, matchmaking and sanctioning body greed. In any other reality, Mosley wasn't a top five rated fighter at 147 when Pac beat him. He fought Margarito at the end of 2008 or start of 2009 and that was the last time he won a fight, then fought Pac halfway through 2011. So Pac fights a guy mid 2011 who hadn't even won a fight in nearly three years, whose last win was end of 2008/start of 2009, whose last fight wasn't even in the same division against a low fringe contender who he also couldnt beat and yet he's still supposedly a top rated welterweight...

He got destroyed by Floyd when he was actually rated, moved up to 154 and couldnt even beat a fringe contender there, then moved back down and lost again.

He hadn't won a fight in well over two years by the time he fought Pacquiao and supposedly he's rated one of the very best in the world prior to his Pac fight...? Yeeeaaaaaahhhhhh, no.

Kind of highlights the utter ridiculousness of current boxing rankings, as does the Margarito/Pac fight. Somehow, without ever having fought a rated fighter at 154, and coming off a brutal KO loss at 147, Margarito just magically appears at number 1 spot so the Pac/Marg fight can be magically for a random vacant title so the WBC can get piles of cash from it. Two guys, completely unranked, undeserving, and not even being from the division get thrown into a vacant title fight above all the actual 154 pounders who'd been fighting at 154 and were ranked. ****ing absurdity to the endth degree.

[HeroBando]

Cotto and Clottey. The other two, utterly laughable to suggest they were top five fighters anymore. All four were coming off recent losses, with two having suffered horrific KO losses just before fighting Pac, while Clottey in the meantime still couldnt manage to get past a good fighter without throwing the fight away and Mosley hadn't even won a fight in years...literally years.

...and these are your murderers row of top ranked fighters that Pac crushed for P4P supremacy.

This is one of the problems with rankings today. They are so arbitrary and ruled by silly little backroom politics for promotion, matchmaking and sanctioning body greed. In any other reality, Mosley wasn't a top five rated fighter at 147 when Pac beat him. He fought Margarito at the end of 2008 or start of 2009 and that was the last time he won a fight, then fought Pac halfway through 2011. So Pac fights a guy mid 2011 who hadn't even won a fight in nearly three years, whose last win was end of 2008/start of 2009, whose last fight wasn't even in the same division against a low fringe contender who he also couldnt beat and yet he's still supposedly a top rated welterweight...

He got destroyed by Floyd when he was actually rated, moved up to 154 and couldnt even beat a fringe contender there, then moved back down and lost again.

He hadn't won a fight in well over two years by the time he fought Pacquiao and supposedly he's rated one of the very best in the world prior to his Pac fight...? Yeeeaaaaaahhhhhh, no.

Kind of highlights the utter ridiculousness of current boxing rankings, as does the Margarito/Pac fight. Somehow, without ever having fought a rated fighter at 154, and coming off a brutal KO loss at 147, Margarito just magically appears at number 1 spot so the Pac/Marg fight can be magically for a random vacant title so the WBC can get piles of cash from it. Two guys, completely unranked, undeserving, and not even being from the division get thrown into a vacant title fight above all the actual 154 pounders who'd been fighting at 154 and were ranked. ****ing absurdity to the endth degree.

I'm not reading this novel. Mosley was Ring top 5 when he fought PAC, and top 5 on ability. And Margarito had he stayed at 147 would have been top 5 easy. Who would you have above these, Berto, Zaveck, Senchenko?

[therealpugilist]

Nobody had Murray in the top 2 when he fought Golovkin. NOBODY

where the **** are they getting these rankings from


ive been asking them daily...who are these top ten contenders he beat to become a top 5 middleweight when he never beat anyone over the euro level. he lost all of his big fights

[therealpugilist]

I'm not reading this novel. Mosley was Ring top 5 when he fought PAC, and top 5 on ability. And Margarito had he stayed at 147 would have been top 5 easy. Who would you have above these, Berto, Zaveck, Senchenko?

its novel because you dont agree...but he is telling the truth

[therealpugilist]

I'm not reading this novel. Mosley was Ring top 5 when he fought PAC, and top 5 on ability. And Margarito had he stayed at 147 would have been top 5 easy. Who would you have above these, Berto, Zaveck, Senchenko?

Mosley hadnt won a fight at welterweight in years....other fighters were winning fights and losing so how the hell was mosley top five coming off a loss to mayweather and a draw to mora at 154, he hadnt fought at 147 in over a year up to fighting Pacquaio

[therealpugilist]

Um ok

Canelo is the lineal champion, thats a fact. I'm saying its illegitimate, and irrelevant.

Golovkin is the universally recognised no.1 middleweight, 'whether you like it or not'.

I know whats more important when it comes to legacy. If you think a broken, unrecognised system is more important than being the best, then again, its on you

by his fans and HBO....universally means everyone and if you have been reading everyone's posts, some people feel he has to beat Canelo or the next highest rated guy to create a knew lineage

If canelo moves down the lineal title is vacant....say he beats the number 2 middleweight and then GGG has earned the title....he already got handed to belts.....you win the lineal title in the ring...not board rooms sadly.