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  • Scipio2009
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    #31
    Originally posted by IllegalDeath
    In reality, resume does not do justice to how talented a fighter is, which looks like the only means of judging a fighter here.
    For example,
    BJS has win over Eubank and Andy Lee (two guys who would be the best win in GGG's resume), yet BJS would lose to GGG in the eyes of 99/100 experts.
    Same goes for Jacobs
    .

    A resume can never show your real quality or flaw, provided you have so many controversial decisions now a days. Is Canelo p4p a better fighter than Lara? No.
    Is Floyd's win over Manny any less historic despite Manny having 5 loses, two of them recently to Bradly and Marquez(By KO)? No. Because everyone knows Manny is a better fighter .

    Rigo apart from Donaire has no great name, people avoid him, doesnt make him any lesser and is clearly the best of the division despite having an inferior resume. And people know it. Same goes for GGG. You can't force a fight.

    In reality, you just need to see a fighter, how he performs, basically a critical eye test to see how good a fighter is/can be.

    IMO Resumes defines a mere 30-40% of a fighter not the other way around like given credit here on NSB.

    And that is the concept behind p4p list as well. If that wasnt the case, Danny Garcia would be in top 5 of every p4p list. But he isnt' because even after such a great resume people know he isnt of the highest calible p4p
    wise
    Same goes for Canelo, great resume, but all of them smaller lower division fighter, your internal instinct and brain knows he can't be top 5 p4p irrespective of his resume.
    That's a pretty broad brush to paint with, lol.

    Billy Joe Saunders and Daniel Jacobs are both live fighters with Golovkin, for the simple fact that they've had their skills tested against other quality fighters and have shown ability to do things that Golovkin has obvious trouble with (people laugh when I use the barometer but Gabriel Rosado and Willie Monroe Jr both showed that, when you get over the 'GGG' mistyique and actually box/fight[without out-and-out running], Golovkin is there to be beat on, on the inside but also simply punching with him with straight shots).

    Canelo may not be p4p "better" than Lara, but the way that he acquitted himself in fights, Floyd performance aside, against Khan, Cotto, Kirkland, Trout, Lara, etc, laid the marker that Alvarez was a legit world-level fighter.

    Rigondeaux's only "name" is Nonito Donaire, but he showed otherworldly ability in his other fights and, when put into the ring against a guy that the boxing public viewed as being an elite fighter at the weight, the way he utterly wrecked Donaire started to confirm how good people thought Rigondeaux was.

    People want to ignore the possibility, but Golovkin could've stepped into the ring and got 12-0 blitzed by Andre Ward, and there'd be nothing that anyone could really say about it, for the simple fact that there has yet to be a real gauge as to how good Golovkin may actually be.

    Lastly, Manny Pacquiao isn't a better fighter than Floyd at anything, tbh; to try and throw that out as some accepted fact is odd.

    Floyd whoops Pacquiao at 154, 147, 140, 135, 130, 126 (Floyd was a 18/19-year old amateur at 125), and likely whoops Pacquiao at 115 (Floyd was a 17-year old amateur at 114; 19-year old Pacquiao vs 17-year old Floyd is likely the most competitive fight)

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    • BM dnobagaV
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      #32
      Andy Lee would be GGG's best win by a mile.
      Agbeko is a solid name for Rigo..

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      • b00g13man
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        #33
        Quite convenient.

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        • Robbie Barrett
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          #34
          Resumes are given too much credit? WTF

          Resumes are a record of what you achieved and proven in the ring. If your resume is shit, you haven't done shit.

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          • therealpugilist
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            #35
            Originally posted by Isaac Clarke
            Resumes are given too much credit? WTF

            Resumes are a record of what you achieved and proven in the ring. If your resume is shit, you haven't done shit.
            ding...ding...ding...you know this thread was in reference to the CAN man....top 3 p4p without even beating someone top 50 p4p...he aint done ish for that lofty position

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            • IllegalDeath
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              #36
              Originally posted by therealpugilist
              ding...ding...ding...you know this thread was in reference to the CAN man....top 3 p4p without even beating someone top 50 p4p...he aint done ish for that lofty position
              Without beating top 50? So Murray Lemeix Geale were not inside Top 50 ?
              Yet you have Rigo in your p4p as no.3 with only one good win of Donaire (who was also moving up in weight and has also lost again meaning he is no elite),
              Trolls like you have an unparalleled hypocrisy.

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              • therealpugilist
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                #37
                Originally posted by IllegalDeath
                Without beating top 50? So Murray Lemeix Geale were not inside Top 50 ?
                Yet you have Rigo in your p4p as no.3 with only one good win of Donaire (who was also moving up in weight and has also lost again meaning he is no elite),
                Trolls like you have an unparalleled hypocrisy.
                Donaire is a future hall of famer and one of the best fighters of the last 10 years....Agbeko is a former champion and is rico ramos.....murray never beat a top contender and lost all his big fights...lemieux is decent but "meh"


                do you think lemmie and murray are better than all those guys at 126 and below no one watches(i do) and the usual suspects.

                lemieux at least beat N'jikam who the hell has murray beat besides euro level guys

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                • therealpugilist
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by IllegalDeath
                  Without beating top 50? So Murray Lemeix Geale were not inside Top 50 ?
                  Yet you have Rigo in your p4p as no.3 with only one good win of Donaire (who was also moving up in weight and has also lost again meaning he is no elite),
                  Trolls like you have an unparalleled hypocrisy.
                  bro....Donaire lost to a friggin giant(walters) who dwarfed him in his 5th-6th divison....

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                  • mick1303
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                    #39
                    The thing is - resumes are utilized blindly, without distinction HOW the fighter fared against his opposition, just based on the mere fact that he faced them. To me this is oversimplification. Canelo faced Floyd and Lara. And was beaten by first and had a draw (in most views) with the second. But they are "on his resume"...

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                    • IllegalDeath
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by therealpugilist
                      Donaire is a future hall of famer and one of the best fighters of the last 10 years....Agbeko is a former champion and is rico ramos.....murray never beat a top contender and lost all his big fights...lemieux is decent but "meh"


                      do you think lemmie and murray are better than all those guys at 126 and below no one watches(i do) and the usual suspects.

                      lemieux at least beat N'jikam who the hell has murray beat besides euro level guys
                      Its too early to say whether Donaire is a HOF and one of the best fighters. He has always lost whenever he stepped up. Talking about former champions, Kassim Ouma , Geale, Rubio all are former champions including Lemieux now.

                      And you just proved my point as to why Resumes shouldnt be the sole criteria of judging a fighter's capability as you seem to give Murray no credit at all. A straight forward hater like you would just see a L on record and degrade that boxer into some bum without ever knowing or analyzing the real fight.

                      And even then, Rigo and GGG does not have that massive of a difference in their resume that one is top 3 and the other is not even in top 10.
                      Your hypocrisy again, is hilarious.
                      Unlike you, I consider both Rigo and GGG p4p as they have stood out since their amateur days because I don't hate someone for no reason.

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