Who's the greatest white heavyweight boxer of all time?

[butterfly1964]

I gotta tell ya,im still not convinced because of facial expressions in a couple of pictures

Plus if you look closely, Marciano is in the act of throwing a punch, and he still doesn't look mean, and usually fighter squint their faces as a reflex when throwing a punch. But Dempsey is looking mean just standing there without throwing punches. Imagine if Marciano was not throwing a punch or Dempsey was throwing a punch. Sorry mass Pride, but Dempsey is more vicious.

[Kid Achilles]

Dempsey had this sort of vendetta and inability to cope with the changing ways of the bourgeois 1920's post war America that made him as sort of an animal. He was mean, he was morally corrupt, and he was a genuinely vicious guy.

WTF? This is the furthest thing from the truth. Dempsey was actually far more dapper and successful in blending in with upper class society than Marciano ever was. Dempsey had friends in the entertainment industry, athletes, other fighters, and even intellectuals and writers. If Dempsey were "an animal" or "morally corrupt" he would not have such friends. He would also not have turned down Al Capone's offer to fix the 2nd Tunney fight like he did. Dempsey was disliked early on because he was considered a draft dodger but he was known to be very charismatic and likeable in the mid and late 1920's. The women especially lusted after Dempsey. Why do you think he was a movie and serial star? The men wanted to be him and the women just plain wanted him. Marciano never enjoyed such popularity.

As for who was more vicious, I would say they were cut from the same cloth. Hardworking gentlemen outside of the ring, but brutal and lethal inside.

Some of you guys have no clue about these men, in the ring or out.

[butterfly1964]

WTF? This is the furthest thing from the truth. Dempsey was actually far more dapper and successful in blending in with upper class society than Marciano ever was. Dempsey had friends in the entertainment industry, athletes, other fighters, and even intellectuals and writers. If Dempsey were "an animal" or "morally corrupt" he would not have such friends. He would also not have turned down Al Capone's offer to fix the 2nd Tunney fight like he did. Dempsey was disliked early on because he was considered a draft dodger but he was known to be very charismatic and likeable in the mid and late 1920's. The women especially lusted after Dempsey. Why do you think he was a movie and serial star? The men wanted to be him and the women just plain wanted him. Marciano never enjoyed such popularity.

As for who was more vicious, I would say they were cut from the same cloth. Hardworking gentlemen outside of the ring, but brutal and lethal inside.

Some of you guys have no clue about these men, in the ring or out.

Great post. Dempsey was a real gentleman outside the ring, and one of the three most popular boxers of all-time(Ali and Tyson). Good k coming.

[butterfly1964]

As for who was more vicious, I would say they were cut from the same cloth. Hardworking gentlemen outside of the ring, but brutal and lethal inside.

I don't know. Marciano would knock out his opponents in minutes. Dempsey would do it in seconds! I would say Dempsey is more vicious.

[PBDS]

.....When it's all said and done, Wlad will go down as the best. Once he unifies and rules for 5-6 years nobody will be able to deny him his place. At least I hope that's how it goes down.

[butterfly1964]

.....When it's all said and done, Wlad will go down as the best. Once he unifies and rules for 5-6 years nobody will be able to deny him his place. At least I hope that's how it goes down.

Nah, I ve seen him fight, and I still would say that Dempsey would chop him down. Dempsey has better handspeed, power and chin, plus he was an extremely fast starter.

Jack Dempsey ko5 Wladimir Klitchko.

[PBDS]

Nah, I ve seen him fight, and I still would say that Dempsey would chop him down. Dempsey has better handspeed, power and chin, plus he was an extremely fast starter.

Jack Dempsey ko5 Wladimir Klitchko.

...Ask Chris Byrd and Calvin Brock how fast Wlad's hands are??

[Kid Achilles]

Wlad has quick hands for his size but Dempsey's were a blur when he threw that straight right. Wlad does not have the capabilities to fight inside, while Dempsey was king there. Wlad has great power and accuracy, and so did Dempsey. Wlad's chin is suspect (but underrated) while Dempsey was incredible durable and was difficult to hit in the chin to begin with.

Dempsey would have no problem with Wlad and I am a huge Wlad fan. It'd be like a Tyson vs. Wlad fight except Dempsey was a much better inside fighter than Tyson, was quicker on his feet, had a longer reach and a straighter, better right hand, and had more heart.

Now Marciano, I see Wlad having a chance with. Dempsey? No way in hell.

[King Koyle]

Plus if you look closely, Marciano is in the act of throwing a punch, and he still doesn't look mean, and usually fighter squint their faces as a reflex when throwing a punch. But Dempsey is looking mean just standing there without throwing punches. Imagine if Marciano was not throwing a punch or Dempsey was throwing a punch. Sorry mass Pride, but Dempsey is more vicious.

I can respect your opinion Butterfly,but that's exactly what it is,an opinion.Same as me!Were not dealing with facts here.You can say Dempsey is more vicious in the ring all you want,but it really doesn't make it a fact!

[phallus]

...Ask Chris Byrd and Calvin Brock how fast Wlad's hands are??

sorry, melissa's lil bro, but dempsey was a harder puncher than calvin brock or chris byrd ever dreamed of being. dempsey destroyed jess willard, he broke his jaw, cheekbone, busted his eardrum, in the first round.

if dempsey fought wlad, it would be a terrible beatdown, dempsey could throw as many punches as a welterweight. wlad couldn't handle being swarmed like that