Floyd Mayweather has shown us nothing we haven't seen before in a boxing ring.

[GTTofAK]

I'm sorry, are you actually trying to present the argument that James Toney was better at his craft with the shoulder roll defense and counter punching than Floyd Mayweather?

Are you actually trying to present that?

Very much so. Froid could never be as out of shape as Toney and have the success he did. Even in his prime Toney was always uncommitted and weight drained.

[DJ Enerate]

esteban de jesus never won a title himself and came up short in most of his big fights


you are trying really hard to minimize a fighters accomplishments while downplaying his opponents


Diego Corrales was an A level talent.....he wasnt a legend or an all time great, but for his era he was a great fighter and only lost to the best of his era.


A level is championship level.....he dominated b level guys like Derrick Gainer who also won titles, Robert Garcia

but went back and forth with A level guys like himself. When you can regularly beat A level guys, thats when ATG becomes part of the conversation


Corrales lost twice to Casamayor a two weight champion, JLC two time lightweight champion, PBF the best of the generation, and big azz Clottey who dwarfed him


I know you dont like floyd, but God rest his soul, Corrales was an A level fighter and was p4p to most people from the late 1990s until he lost to Casamayor the last time. thats over 5 years.

Corrales would compete with these guys and beat a few

you are just throwing names around

Dejesus fought in a much much tougher era than Coralles, an era where Corrales would never have been anywhere near a world title God rest his soul.

It's as clear as day on film that Esteban Dejesus is much better than Diago Coralles. If Dejesus was around in the late 90's he would've layed a path of destruction.

The greatness of the eras define the greatness of the fighters. Belts mean **** all.

[Razcal26]

Very much so. Froid could never be as out of shape as Toney and have the success he did. Even in his prime Toney was always uncommitted and weight drained.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

What kind of argument is that? "Toney was out of shape and was still KIND of successful so he's better?"

What?

[DJ Enerate]

you are not 35


if you really want to **** me, give me your address.

So you want ****d?

P.M me your address then?

[therealpugilist]

Dejesus fought in a much much tougher era than Coralles, an era where Corrales would never have been anywhere near a world title God rest his soul.

It's as clear as day on film that Esteban Dejesus is much better than Diago Coralles. If Dejesus was around in the late 90's he would've layed a path of destruction.

The greatness of the eras define the greatness of the fighters. Belts mean **** all.

no he did not....Carlos Ortiz was washed up and turned pro in the 50s. The was in transition from Ortiz era to Duran and no one seperated themselves.

Estaban de jesus throws wide punches and his chin is in the air.

He lost to every elite fight he fought and his claim to fame is beating duran in a stay busy catchweight fight

Corrales was beating world class fighters on a regular basis and I seriously doubt dejesus is going through the guantlet Corrales went through before he died without a loss.....3 fights with Casamayor, 2 with Castillo, Clottey at 147, and Freitas


esteban dejesus would have been lucky to even win a title in the early 2000s between 130-135....Mayweather, Casamayor, Corrales, Freitas and Castillo there.....stop trying to downplay how good these fighter were just to dsicredit floyd.....its obvious

[K-Nan]

That's a bigger duck than Canelo vs GGG.

Coward!

Lol it wasn't me you challenged to the quiz. I'm just making a point about how its ironic that you claim to be some sort of boxing authority while the thread's topic itself is so flawed.

[K-Nan]

In all seriousness Ortiz is the best out of the bunch. A fantastic ring general with a complete skill set.

Buchanan beat a shot to **** Ortiz. Ortiz was beyond past it when Ken stopped him on his stool.

Yes Duran mauled Buchanan and always would but it's Duran were talking about. A top 5 ATG animal. The fact PRIME Duran had to nut shot Buchanan to stop him is a testament to Buchanans toughness. Even Duran is on record saying Ken B was the toughest he ever faced. Ken Buchanan is in the Hands of Stone movie btw.

Buchanan was a tough grinder of a fighter and I take nothing from him.

[Code Red]

This so called boxing genius has invented nothing. Not the roll, not the shell, not the pull counter and on and on. These moves were on display way way before Floyd was born.

Floyd's a master of most but creator of none.

Geniuses invent new things. Amazing things.

Enlighten me Flo mo's what are these great things this amazing boxing genius Floyd Mayweather invented?

I fail to see such innovations.

Take yo ****** azz home!

[DinoCop]

Boxing is some hundreds years old and everyone boxes with human body, i don't know from which kung fu temple you came here but every single thing human body is capable of for boxing is uncovered long ago before me and you.
You guys are jokes.

[DJ Enerate]

no he did not....Carlos Ortiz was washed up and turned pro in the 50s. The was in transition from Ortiz era to Duran and no one seperated themselves.

Estaban de jesus throws wide punches and his chin is in the air.

He lost to every elite fight he fought and his claim to fame is beating duran in a stay busy catchweight fight

Corrales was beating world class fighters on a regular basis and I seriously doubt dejesus is going through the guantlet Corrales went through before he died without a loss.....3 fights with Casamayor, 2 with Castillo, Clottey at 147, and Freitas


esteban dejesus would have been lucky to even win a title in the early 2000s between 130-135....Mayweather, Casamayor, Corrales, Freitas and Castillo there.....stop trying to downplay how good these fighter were just to dsicredit floyd.....its obvious

Once you understand the difference between the eras those boxers fought in then we can talk.

There is no way Castillo, Corrales or Freitas beats any version of Duran. Even in a none tile fight. De Jesus is the only boxer to beat Duran at his prime weight and he also gave Duran hell in the second fight as well btw, dropping him on his ass with a counter. Duran-Dejesus II is a great fight, you should watch it.