The Final Verdict: Did Pac Have a Full Thickness Rotator Cuff Tear?

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Skip all of your points? YOU HAVE NO POINTS! Here we go again:





How do you reconcile this? I'm guessing you can't since you still haven't reconciled your statement that swimming had nothing to do with Manny Pacquiao.

Real FACTS!

"Swimming plays no role in the rehabilitation program for people with rotator cuff injuries and, second, swimmers are at risk of getting rotator cuff injuries because the shoulders play such an important role in swimming strokes."

"Rehabilitation guidelines for repairing the rotator cuff, clearly rule out swimming, even at 14 weeks after surgery."

http://www.livestrong.com/article/391468-is-swimming-good-for-the-rotator-cuff/

With the consent of their surgeon, a patient may return to activities such as swimming between 4 and 6 months following the procedure.

http://www.orthop.washington.edu/?q=patient-care/articles/sports/arthroscopic-shoulder-surgery-for-the-treatment-of-rotator-cuff-tears

Type 1 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No Swimming for up to 15 weeks after surgery.

Type 2 Rotator Cuff Repair:
No swimming up to 20 weeks after surgery.

http://www.uwhealth.org/files/uwhealth/docs/sportsmed/SM-27334_RTC_Repair.pdf

Return to swimming 6-8 months after surgery.

http://www.massgeneral.org/ortho-sports-medicine/conditions-treatments/pdfs/Rotator%20cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

No swimming up to 25 weeks after surgery

http://uhealthsportsmedicine.com/documents/Arthroscopic_RTC_Type_1_with_Biceps_Tenodesis.pdf

No swimming up to 19 weeks after surgery

http://www.taosortho.com/patientinfo/Medical/shoulders/Rotator-cuff%20repair%20rehabilitation%20protocol.pdf

Patients can return to swimming with a graduated program from 3-6 months post surgery

http://www.shouldersurgery.com.au/rotator-cuff-repair.html

No swimming for the first 4 months

http://www.uptodate.com/contents/rotator-cuff-tendinitis-and-tear-beyond-the-basics

No swimming for until months 4 - 6

http://www.orthonc.com/sites/default/files/forms/kirby/Rotator_Cuff_Repair.pdf

Can resume swimming at 3 months(this is the site that you chose to mention, and it still doesn't agree with you)
http://www.sosmed.org/specialties/sh...tor-cuff-tear/

Again, what does that have to do with Manny? You keep on posting that ridiculous stuff as if those doctors saw a video of Manny or examined Manny and said, "That is not possible". BUT that did NOT happen! Too funny!!!

THINK!!!!! If you did that in court they would be laughing like crazy.

I already posted it for you. Roach said some was done during passive phase. You responded "show me proof". I showed you the quote but you only like your quotes not quotes that do not support your speculation. Funny stuff!

but like I said, do not let that stop you (no proof). Please continue!!!

[travestyny]

Again, what does that have to do with Manny? You keep on posting that ridiculous stuff as if those doctors saw a video of Manny or examined Manny and said, "That is not possible". BUT that did NOT happen! Too funny!!!

And what does your information about aquatic rehab have to do with Manny when he said:
1. I never went to rehab.
2. I never saw a doctor.

You gave a quote about a 61 year old man!!! When I posted a picture of aquatic rehab with a bunch of old people (IN A POOL MIND YOU), you said that was ridiculous. lol. Funny stuff, bro!

THINK!!!!! If you did that in court they would be laughing like crazy.

Oh, if I posted about 11 medical documents about the specific surgery he had, they would be laughing like crazy? Hmm. I find that hard to believe. The information is all about REHABILITATION FOR FULL-THICKNESS ROTATOR CUFF SURGERY.

I already posted it for you. Roach said some was done during passive phase. You responded "show me proof". I showed you the quote but you only like your quotes not quotes that do not support your speculation. Funny stuff!

but like I said, do not let that stop you (no proof). Please continue!!!

Where did you post it for me? Please post it again. All I saw was you quoting Roach saying rehab was done in the phils. Was this the self rehab, or did he see a doctor????? You still haven't reconciled that with Pacquiao's statement that HE DIDN'T DO REHAB!!!

God, you have a head like a rock. You aren't fooling anyone. Just stop already.

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And what does your information about aquatic rehab have to do with Manny when he said:
1. I never went to rehab.
2. I never saw a doctor.

You gave a quote about a 61 year old man!!! When I posted a picture of aquatic rehab with a bunch of old people (IN A POOL MIND YOU), you said that was ridiculous. lol. Funny stuff, bro!


Oh, if I posted about 11 medical documents about the specific surgery he had, they would be laughing like crazy? Hmm. I find that hard to believe. The information is all about REHABILITATION FOR FULL-THICKNESS ROTATOR CUFF SURGERY.



Where did you post it for me? Please post it again. All I saw was you quoting Roach saying rehab was done in the phils. Was this the self rehab, or did he see a doctor????? You still haven't reconciled that with Pacquiao's statement that HE DIDN'T DO REHAB!!!

God, you have a head like a rock. You aren't fooling anyone. Just stop already.

Did Manny go to the sea and say it contributed to his success?

61 year old man was to prove 2 things: Even an old man can do it and secondly, was he lying too? NO!!! So kills all your speculations. Your old women was to prove a negative but you were not successful.



You can post 1000 medical journals but without showing us FACTS of what Manny was doing that was impossible, it just does not matter what those documents state. You know this. You cannot be that dumb but you have nothing else. So you are going there. Maybe you are just trying to convince some lazy know nothing Floyd fans to bring up the poll numbers for you. If that is your point, no problem. Go for it.


I can also show you where Roach agrees with you but that would be just taking out of context BUT read below. Does it not make it sound like Manny did no rehab?
"“They get an operation and they think it’s all done,” he said. The rehab is harder than the surgery, Freddie told Manny, and he told the boxer that if he does no rehab, there will be no more boxing."

but my other quote was from the same article!!!
"“No, we did have a bit of a slow rehab at first because he’s doing it in the Philippines"


So unless someone asked all the questions that you asked, you cannot go there like you did.


I like this last line of the article:
"So…enough with the conspiracy theories, guys. Or…maybe you still think *****s’ birth certificate isn’t real?"


That is why I kept telling you when I brought up Floyd vs Castillo injury of Floyd, I kept on telling you , "You still do not get it."


How did you respond to Floyd indicating it was his right shoulder and how he got the injury? Did you say that Floyd lied?
See, you are not that dumb .... when it comes to Floyd. You come up with alternative scenarios!!! With Manny, you cannot come up with explainable alternatives. Even after we debunked some of your supposed FACTS!!!

How come?

[travestyny]

Please continue!!!

Sure. How about some more FACTS and more LIES:

Fact: Manny Paquiao said this around August 12th:
"I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab."

Fact: Freddie Roach said this around August 25th:
“I talked to one of the doctor’s over there who’s doing the rehab on it. He told me everything’s going fine...”

Fact: SOMEONE IS LYING. Furthermore, you stated that he saw a PT during the passive stage and then stopped. Why is Roach stating after Pac's statement that the doctor is DOING the rehab and that everything is going fine. Doesn't that mean he was supposedly still working with Manny???

Here are some more lies:

@5:39 Bob Arum saying that the attorneys filed paperwork about the injury with the NSAC.


Now look at the NSAC's side:
“I found out about the issue just after 6 (p.m.),” he said. “They never filed any legal paperwork with the commission prior to the fight that he was hurt. We had Dr. (Timothy) Trainor and Dr. (James) Game check him out, and it was an easy decision on our part.”

Why are there so many lies coming out of Pacquiao's camp??????

[travestyny]

Did Manny go to the sea and say it contributed to his success?

61 year old man was to prove 2 things: Even an old man can do it and secondly, was he lying too? NO!!! So kills all your speculations. Your old women was to prove a negative but you were not successful.

I thought you were going to prove he did aquatic rehab. I'm still waiting for this, especially since he stated he didn't do rehab.

You can post 1000 medical journals but without showing us FACTS of what Manny was doing that was impossible, it just does not matter what those documents state.

Ohh, I get it. So posting information about rehab for this specific surgery should not be taken into consideration at all.

How did you respond to Floyd indicating it was his right shoulder and how he got the injury? Did you say that Floyd lied?

This thread is NOT about Floyd, but once again, there was talk about Floyd's shoulder after round 1. That ends your speculation.

Here is the dialogue between Roger and Floyd AFTER ROUND 1

Roger: Down the stretch, we gonna get him anyway. Don't worry about it. Fight smart. Your arm feel ok?

Floyd: Yea, I'm fine. Just massage it.

Roger: Massage his arm.

@10:30


Is that enough information for you?

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Sure. How about some more FACTS and more LIES:

Fact: Manny Paquiao said this around August 12th:
"I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab."

Fact: Freddie Roach said this around August 25th:
“I talked to one of the doctor’s over there who’s doing the rehab on it. He told me everything’s going fine...”

Fact: SOMEONE IS LYING. Furthermore, you stated that he saw a PT during the passive stage and then stopped. Why is Roach stating after Pac's statement that the doctor is DOING the rehab and that everything is going fine. Doesn't that mean he was supposedly still working with Manny???

Here are some more lies:

@5:39 Bob Arum saying that the attorneys filed paperwork about the injury with the NSAC.


Now look at the NSAC's side:
“I found out about the issue just after 6 (p.m.),” he said. “They never filed any legal paperwork with the commission prior to the fight that he was hurt. We had Dr. (Timothy) Trainor and Dr. (James) Game check him out, and it was an easy decision on our part.”

Why are there so many lies coming out of Pacquiao's camp??????

Like I said, follow the timeline. If you do not, then even what I pointed out that Roach said is a lie. In that same article, Roach said that Manny was not doing rehab but he told him he has to or no boxing. So then Manny was going to do some rehab.

Go check out Floyd's lies and what you said about them.
You said there is a believable reason that Floyd could have announced a fight soon after his surgery.

You said what about a guy who was ROCK SOLID stable in weight for 30 days and said his walking weight has been around 147/148 for 10 years? Yes he was dehydrated. Even after all the evidence that shows you are wrong, you still defended Floyd.

Floyd lied when he said that blood from taken 10 days before the IV scandal contributed to his dehydration. You protected Floyd with that lie.

Floyd lied when he said that giving urine contributed to his dehydration. You protected Floyd with that lie.

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I thought you were going to prove he did aquatic rehab. I'm still waiting for this, especially since he stated he didn't do rehab.


Ohh, I get it. So posting information about rehab for this specific surgery should not be taken into consideration at all.



This thread is NOT about Floyd, but once again, there was talk about Floyd's shoulder after round 1. That ends your speculation.

Here is the dialogue between Roger and Floyd AFTER ROUND 1

Roger: Down the stretch, we gonna get him anyway. Don't worry about it. Fight smart. Your arm feel ok?

Floyd: Yea, I'm fine. Just massage it.
Roger: Massage his arm.

@10:30


Is that enough information for you?

Floyd even said I'm fine? Well, he did throw lots of jabs. More than fight 2 with Castillo. So did Floyd lie if he threw more in fight 1?

Sorry but later Floyd indicated the right shoulder. So which is it? Floyd must be lying, right?

[travestyny]

Like I said, follow the timeline. If you do not, then even what I pointed out that Roach said is a lie. In that same article, Roach said that Manny was not doing rehab but he told him he has to or no boxing. So then Manny was going to do some rehab.

Apparently it's you that can't follow the timeline. It's right in front of your face.

Go check out Floyd's lies and what you said about them.
You said there is a believable reason that Floyd could have announced a fight soon after his surgery.

You said what about a guy who was ROCK SOLID stable in weight for 30 days and said his walking weight has been around 147/148 for 10 years? Yes he was dehydrated. Even after all the evidence that shows you are wrong, you still defended Floyd.

Floyd lied when he said that blood from taken 10 days before the IV scandal contributed to his dehydration. You protected Floyd with that lie.

Floyd lied when he said that giving urine contributed to his dehydration. You protected Floyd with that lie.

This thread is not about Floyd. If you want to discuss Floyd, I'll gladly talk to you about him elsewhere. Stay on topic and stop trying to deflect.

[travestyny]

Floyd even said I'm fine? Well, he did throw lots of jabs. More than fight 2 with Castillo. So did Floyd lie if he threw more in fight 1?

Sorry but later Floyd indicated the right shoulder. So which is it? Floyd must be lying, right?

Dude, when I first made this thread I told you....if you want to discuss Floyd, make your thread about his shoulder and let's all discuss it.

Stop deflecting to Floyd. This is about Pacquiao.

[ADP02]

Apparently it's you that can't follow the timeline. It's right in front of your face.




This thread is not about Floyd. If you want to discuss Floyd, I'll gladly talk to you about him elsewhere. Stay on topic and stop trying to deflect.

Floyd comes up to point to you how differently you talk about Floyd and if you did 25% of that with Manny, you would not even bring up this thread and poll.


You would just say "Its all speculation. Unless we see the MRI, have a video of the surgery, we cannot conclude that Manny had no surgery"

and the reason to lie is not logical. It would have been better to say it was a painful injury but one that he was able to recover in time to fight Castillo just a few months later, I mean Floyd in 2015...... Just like Floyd did against Castillo.